Bigger: Britney in 1999-2000 vs Taylor in 2022-2023?

[littlebodybigheart]

23 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said:

What goal post? I’m not a fan so I didn’t know he had a scandal involving his masters a la Jojo causing him to re record and exploit each re release. Anyway my point is drake and adele are bigger 

sure, if you genuinely want to think that to make yourself feel better then that’s your prerogative. no taylor album, re-recording or not is gonna leave the hot 200 as quickly as adele’s “30” so do with that what you will. and midnights is bigger than everything drake has released since scorpion.

 

all 3 are bigger than 00’s fad britney spears though. so…

[Abracadabra]

9 hours ago, Breakdown said:

Taylor, she's respected for her talent by a lot of people and her being a smart business woman. Britney has never been respected or was responsible for her success.

The idea that Britney wasn’t “responsible for her success” is such a tired and misogynistic take. If it had just been down to marketing and producers, there would have been countless Britneys and many record labels tried.

[suburbannature]

4 minutes ago, Miichael said:

The idea that Britney wasn’t “responsible for her success” is such a tired and misogynistic take. If it had just been down to marketing and producers, there would have been countless Britneys and many record labels tried.

This I agree with. She may have been a traditional/stereotypical "label puppet" in how they guided her career but it still took her charm, dancing, and unique voice to make her a star.

[Headlock]

4 hours ago, dirrtydiana said:

If drake and Adele were releasing as much as her and doing re-recordings they would leave her in the dust 

 

y’all are so cocky. Your girl is promoting like 10 albums at once. Take all that away and it’d still be big, sure, but nowhere near as it is right now

Except, when looking at their past releases, no, they would not “leave her in the dust.” Drake did release right after Midnights, less than 6 months after Honestly, Nevermind. And neither stuck around.

 

No one is commenting on the amount of releases Taylor has and saying it would be the same without. That’s the point, she keeps building upon her previous successes within the past year and she hasn’t reached a ceiling yet.

 

Regarding cockiness, I truly could not care less about the take of someone who continually trolls this forum, to the point where I seriously question whether you intentionally set up Britney or not 

[Headlock]

59 minutes ago, fromily said:

Quoting myself because i did 5 minutes research lol and now i get what people mean when they say it's having AN impact, but I think even this really highlights the difference between peaking in 22-23 and 99-2000~

 

In the late 90s/early 2000s, britney was inescapable - if you needed groceries she was on every magazine in every supermarket, corner store, pharmacy you name it. If you needed gas, same thing. If you wanted to listen to the radio, she'd be there - and the djs would be talking about her. If you wanted to buy music, you'd go into a physical store where her posters and CDs would be a literal wall. If you watched tv she'd be on the news or whatever music channel you watched. She was everywhere.

 

Taylor swift may be in the middle of one of the (if not the) highest grossing tours of all time, affecting economies worldwide and changing legal precedents etc etc. But the fact is that unless you're a fan, a teenager or terminally online, then it's entirely possible to go about your life not knowing any of that simply because the way in which we consume pop culture has changed since 1999 

This is more a comment on the decline of monoculture, not the actual peak of either Britney or Taylor.

[liam13]

31 minutes ago, fromily said:

Quoting myself because i did 5 minutes research lol and now i get what people mean when they say it's having AN impact, but I think even this really highlights the difference between peaking in 22-23 and 99-2000~

 

In the late 90s/early 2000s, britney was inescapable - if you needed groceries she was on every magazine in every supermarket, corner store, pharmacy you name it. If you needed gas, same thing. If you wanted to listen to the radio, she'd be there - and the djs would be talking about her. If you wanted to buy music, you'd go into a physical store where her posters and CDs would be a literal wall. If you watched tv she'd be on the news or whatever music channel you watched. She was everywhere.

 

Taylor swift may be in the middle of one of the (if not the) highest grossing tours of all time, affecting economies worldwide and changing legal precedents etc etc. But the fact is that unless you're a fan, a teenager or terminally online, then it's entirely possible to go about your life not knowing any of that simply because the way in which we consume pop culture has changed since 1999 

these days, taylor is also inescapable as well, maybe not as much as britney back in her days but still. her music is played at grocery stores, pharmacies, malls... you name it. radio - checked, cds and vinyl section dedicated to her - checked, tv shows and news - checked.

 

on the other hand, britney has not and will never have a tour half as huge as the eras tour, let alone matching worldwide impacts and legacies but i guess its not fair for her in this comparison

 

OT: britey stans should be proud because britney, w a dead career she has atm, is still being compared to big artists or even legends.

taylor takes this one methinks.

[fromily]

2 minutes ago, Headlock said:

This is more a comment on the decline of monoculture, not the actual peak of either Britney or Taylor.

I guess my point is that the decline of monoculture makes comparing the peaks of Britney and Taylor pretty difficult ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Headlock]

5 minutes ago, fromily said:

I guess my point is that the decline of monoculture makes comparing the peaks of Britney and Taylor pretty difficult ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I agree 

[Popboi.]

1 hour ago, dirrtydiana said:

What goal post? I’m not a fan so I didn’t know he had a scandal involving his masters a la Jojo causing him to re record and exploit each re release. Anyway my point is drake and adele are bigger 

Adele and Drake are nowhere close to Taylor right now. folklore and Midnights outsold 30 by miles and the gap will only increase, there's next to no interest to Adele's back catalogue compared to Taylor's. Let's not with Drake that is not doing particularly good numbers in the 2022-2023 timeframe (Her Loss did abysmally for him). 

 

Stick to points that actually make sense and are not based on baseless gut feelings.

[LaFlaca]

Taylor obviously

[Popboi.]

5 hours ago, PoKiTaurus said:

- MJ called her the princess of pop. - Madonna kissed her on live TV (in 2003 but still, MADONNA approved of her)

- Shania wrote a track for her 2nd album (Don't Let Me Be The Last To Know)

- Oops was the fastest selling album ever by a female artist. Only Adele broke this record.

- Every label wanted a Britney / anti Britney. 

 

So... 

- MJ was not alive when Taylor made her switch to pop, how is that even relevant.

- Taylor writes her own songs, she doesn't need another's rejects.

- Midnights literally surpassed Oops' first week.

- No label can really get a Taylor, they all bid for her until Republic offered her masters ownership and a record breaking $100m+ deal for just 3 albums. She's not an expendable archetype that can be replicated by... Jessica Simpson and co.

Edited June 26, 2023 by Popboi.

[Marry The Gods]

Britney

[dirrtydiana]

1 hour ago, littlebodybigheart said:

sure, if you genuinely want to think that to make yourself feel better then that’s your prerogative. no taylor album, re-recording or not is gonna leave the hot 200 as quickly as adele’s “30” so do with that what you will. and midnights is bigger than everything drake has released since scorpion.

 

all 3 are bigger than 00’s fad britney spears though. so…

Fact remains even with all her albums and re-releases she won’t surpass 21+25 which doesn’t align with your narrative of her being the biggest artist. Don’t shoot the messenger, it’s plain fact 🤷‍♀️ 

[My Tears Ricochet]

24 minutes ago, liam13 said:

britey stans should be proud because britney, w a dead career she has atm, is still being compared to big artists or even legends.

taylor takes this one methinks

[fromily]

3 minutes ago, liam13 said:

these days, taylor is also inescapable as well, maybe not as much as britney back in her days but still. her music is played at grocery stores, pharmacies, malls... you name it. radio - checked, cds and vinyl section dedicated to her - checked, tv shows and news - checked.

 

on the other hand, britney has not and will never have a tour half as huge as the eras tour, let alone matching worldwide impacts and legacies but i guess its not fair for her in this comparison

 

OT: britey stans should be proud because britney, w a dead career she has atm, is still being compared to big artists or even legends.

taylor takes this one methinks.

I agree that britney stans should be proud that, despite a relatively short peak followed by decades of... issues, she is still considered one of the greats and is STILL generating all of this conversation 

 

But, back to initial comparison, in 2023 how many people are ordering what they need online instead of visiting in person stores where they might hear taylor on the radio? And when they do go out, how many of those people are listening to their own music on their headphones? (odds are they're playing taylor but anyway you take my point lol). And despite the vinyl and physical resurgence, you no longer /need/ to go to a physical music store to buy music, or even to buy physical copies of music. The news, maybe, although I don't watch the news anymore, I read articles I'm interested in online and I don't recall seeing any about Taylor. As for tv shows dedicated to music, they've been totally usurped by youtube where again, it's up to you what you see/listen to (mostly). There's just no comparison.

 

I do hear taylor occasionally when I'm out. But the only way in which she's inescapable to me is the fact that she's ALWAYS the face of some playlist on apple music's front page. But I'm pretty sure she'd rather have the highest grossing tour of all time than better radio play in 2023 

[Smilers]

The one embarking on the biggest tour of all time on top of outselling her closest competition by almost 2 to 1.

Britney was never that dominant, y'all are letting nostalgia cloud your judgment.

[dirrtydiana]

46 minutes ago, Smilers said:

The one embarking on the biggest tour of all time

Ed Sheeran is the biggest artist of all time then since she’s coming for his wig

 

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on top of outselling her closest competition by almost 2 to 1.

Britney was never that dominant,

Oh she has outsold 21 and 25? I mean those are only 2 albums, I hope that with 10 + TVs she has finally outsold them

 

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y'all are letting nostalgia cloud your judgment.

Nostalgia is the fact that Britney sold 50M albums by 2003 and who knows how many millions of records while competing with xtina, pink, Avril, shakira, beyonce, and all the big sellers of the time? 
 

what she did is unheard of and far more impressive with all the competitors as even today only adele has come close

[TheRealGâteau]

11 hours ago, Breakdown said:

Taylor, she's respected for her talent by a lot of people and her being a smart business woman. Britney has never been respected or was responsible for her success.

this 

 

11 hours ago, Rev8 said:

Here started the Britney vs Everyone threads again

first Katy, now Taylor

who is next?

for fairer competition probably Paris Hilton taken-wise or Cindy Lauper success-wise. Maybe the losing streak might break then, also. 

 

10 hours ago, leyaris11 said:

 

 

Is that even an achievement?

For someone who only managed to sell out a single (arena) tour (out of like 10?) in their entire career span, most definitely, yes. 

 

OT: Taylor. 

[Oceania]

Certain statements get thrown around way too easily on here but Britney was indeed a cultural phenomen.

 

The music industry is too irrelevant nowadays to produce another pop star of such entity and reach and, I fear, most ATRLers are too young to understand that. 

[Shimenawa]

Taylord

 

Her longevity is insane

 

Britany faded quickly and her mic was always off

[liam13]

29 minutes ago, fromily said:

But, back to initial comparison, in 2023 how many people are ordering what they need online instead of visiting in person stores where they might hear taylor on the radio? And when they do go out, how many of those people are listening to their own music on their headphones? (odds are they're playing taylor but anyway you take my point lol). And despite the vinyl and physical resurgence, you no longer /need/ to go to a physical music store to buy music, or even to buy physical copies of music. The news, maybe, although I don't watch the news anymore, I read articles I'm interested in online and I don't recall seeing any about Taylor. As for tv shows dedicated to music, they've been totally usurped by youtube where again, it's up to you what you see/listen to (mostly). There's just no comparison.

and i did say taylor is not as inescapable as britney back in her days but not as much as britney to taylor of 2023 in touring, impacts and legacies. and lets not talk about overall music consumption

 

anyways, its not a fair comparison for both parties but since we still have to pick one, i pick taylor bcz she has everything checked and britney didn't have touring and legacies (something nobody has in their debut era)

[Anye]

7 hours ago, Gui Blackout said:

Based on facts and reality: Taylor

 

Based on childhood nostalgia that some gays can't let go off : Britney 

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Not britney fans attacking Taylor's stage presence when they stan the twirling lady 

 

taylor can write music and perform them herself. She doesn't sound like Siri or AI when singing. 

[deal dough]

I wasn't even born yet 

[Axelios]

2 hours ago, dirrtydiana said:

Ed Sheeran is the biggest artist of all time then since she’s coming for his wig

 

Ed is also bigger than Britney and yet Taylor is much bigger than him with a longer career, stronger sales streams and now she will surpass him in terms of touring.

[leyaris11]

2 hours ago, Axelios said:

Ed is also bigger than Britney and yet Taylor is much bigger than him with a longer career, stronger sales streams and now she will surpass him in terms of touring.

 

I just can't take this member serious now, girl log off.