Bigger: Britney in 1999-2000 vs Taylor in 2022-2023?

[Raspberries]

On 6/27/2023 at 4:39 PM, Cap87 said:

Britney

 

Taylor Swift sucks

 

She can't sing

Can't perform

Write crappy mediocre boring songs

What does Britney Spears do successfully musically?

 

Quickly

[leyaris11]

17 minutes ago, Raspberries said:

What does Britney Spears do successfully musically?

 

Quickly

The answered very simple sis: It's Britney, *****! 

[leyaris11]

And since this thread turned 20 pages, can we give this masterpiece a stream on YouTube or Spotify. Thanks all. 

 

 

[Popboi.]

33 minutes ago, Raspberries said:

What does Britney Spears do successfully musically?

 

Quickly

That test run for AI generated music was very impactful

 

[dirrtydiana]

5 hours ago, Popboi. said:

The OBTUSE broken record mentality. 
 

List of Diamond (and above) albums in 1998-2000

- *NSYNC by *NSYNC

- The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill by Lauryn Hill

- Greatest Hits by 2Pac

- Devil Without a Cause by Kid Rock

- Wide Open Spaces by The Chicks

- Double Life by Garth Brooks (21x Platinum)

- Fly by The Chicks 

- Human Clay by Creed

- Millennium by Backstreet Boys

- …Baby One More Time by Britney

- Supernatural by Santana

- Country Grammar by Nelly

- Oops!… I Did It Again by Britney

- 1 by The Beatles

- No Strings Attached by *NSYNC 

- The Marshall Mathers LP by Eminem

- Hybrid Theory by Linkin Park

 

 

Now, let’s look when Taylor’s Fearless and Adele’s 21 came out 

2008: Only Fearless by Taylor Swift

2009: No album went Diamond

2010: No album went Diamond

2011: Only 21 by Adele

2012: No album went Diamond

2013: No album went Diamond

2014: No album went Diamond

 

Pop Quiz: Tell the class when was it easier to scan Diamond? 
 

Britney’s only ‘impressive’ digital sales record is literally only the first week of Hold It Against Me, which was broken several times after - including by Taylor, and then Femme Fatale bombed. 

Yet Britney is the only pop girl and a teenager in that list full of males, groups and huge stablished acts like TB

 

Ugh her competition was insaneeee  yet she’s on there twice her power 

 

2 hours ago, Smilers said:

The grandmas bragging about 10 dollar albums when Taylor is selling $250 tickets across the globe, grossing more than Britney’s entire career combined with one tour 

Oops was selling for $20 ($36 adjusted today). If anything, it was cheaper to go diamond in 2008 when digital albums were $9.99

Albums is where the money was back then. If it had been on touring then everyone’s numbers would’ve been massive, stop undermining their power.

 

With 18 trucks of equipment… the reigning princess of pop gave all of her screaming young fans what was by far 2001's largest arena tour.

 

in 2001 the average ticket price as $40-60

Edited June 29, 2023 by dirrtydiana

[dirrtydiana]

38 minutes ago, leyaris11 said:

The answered very simple sis: It's Britney, *****! 

The fact that they have an account here on a music forum here thanks to Britney and have to ask that question is trolling 🤦‍♀️ 

 

but I guess “karma is a cat purring on my lap” and a guitar trumps ushering in sounds to the mainstream twice in Britney’s career

Edited June 29, 2023 by dirrtydiana

[Peroxide]

Taylor but Britney's debut was absolutely mammoth... the only girl to come close to that kind of "debut hype" was Gaga.

[Enrique523]

On 6/27/2023 at 12:06 AM, Sparkle said:

I don't doubt Britney would be having comparable box scores for her dates if she bothered to embark on a tour nowadays tbh! And NO, sadly I think that Taylor doing her spam release thing back in the late 90's would not have mattered much because people used to have a higher quality standard for music back then.

Because you ACTUALLY think Britney's teen poppy garbage/ autotuned eurotrash is "higher quality" than Taylor's discography???? 

 

This is just too funny, i'm CACKLING 

[Inhwan]

19 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said:

Yet Britney is the only pop girl and a teenager in that list full of males, groups and huge stablished acts like TB

 

Ugh her competition was insaneeee  yet she’s on there twice her power 

 

Oops was selling for $20 ($36 adjusted today). If anything, it was cheaper to go diamond in 2008 when digital albums were $9.99

Albums is where the money was back then. If it had been on touring then everyone’s numbers would’ve been massive, stop undermining their power.

 

With 18 trucks of equipment… the reigning princess of pop gave all of her screaming young fans what was by far 2001's largest arena tour.

 

in 2001 the average ticket price as $40-60

People were buying casete tapes though that were less than half price of cds..

[Steve Johnson]

3 minutes ago, Peroxide said:

the only girl to come close to that kind of "debut hype" was Gaga.

Come close? Ganga’s debut was insane, everyone was talking about her and her music only. Grammys, critical acclaim, stats everything were there. 

[dirrtydiana]

9 minutes ago, Inhwan said:

People were buying casete tapes though that were less than half price of cds..

So now we’re gonna use a “cassette boom” to discredit her? 
 

if anything cassettes harmed their sales as piracy was huge at the time compared to now which is pretty much nonexistent thanks to streaming 

 

 

edit: Steve Johnson aka a charts stan, weve been knew

Edited June 29, 2023 by dirrtydiana

[Peroxide]

10 minutes ago, Steve Johnson said:

Come close? Ganga’s debut was insane, everyone was talking about her and her music only. Grammys, critical acclaim, stats everything were there. 

Sure. I think you could make an argument it was bigger than Britney’s too.

 

Gaga’s imprint on pop culture still stands up today… so does Britney’s.

[Inhwan]

2 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said:

So now we’re gonna use a “cassette boom” to discredit her? 
 

if anything cassettes harmed their sales as piracy was huge at the time compared to now which is pretty much nonexistent thanks to streaming 

 

 

edit: Steve Johnson aka a charts stan, weve been knew

We can say that illegal down loads on google can harm the paied streaming now. I think for Brit, you need too many conditions. Females only, teens, not even a couple of years ago(because Celine sold more), excluding tours.. 

[dirrtydiana]

2 minutes ago, Inhwan said:

We can say that illegal down loads on google can harm the paied streaming now. I think for Brit, you need too many conditions. Females only, teens, not even a couple of years ago(because Celine sold more), excluding tours.. 

yes, I didn’t say piracy was gone, but it’s nonexistent now compared to the 

 

also, for baby one more time Of the album’s 10.6 million copies sold to date, 1.49 million are on cassette. 
Billboard’s “Britney aids 2019’s cassette boom”

[BeyIridescent]

Most of you are too young to have been there in real time. I remember Britney was HUGE. I would even say she was bigger than Taylor is now when she debuted.

[Inhwan]

7 minutes ago, BeyIridescent said:

Most of you are too young to have been there in real time. I remember Britney was HUGE. I would even say she was bigger than Taylor is now when she debuted.

I was also her generation so i feel her impact was bigger but again it can be subjective as people just can stick to what you consumed when young. 

[Steve Johnson]

22 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said:

 

edit: Steve Johnson aka a charts stan, weve been knew

No hunny. I’ve been listening to Taylor’s music before I knew anything about charts. Bad guess again. 

[dirrtydiana]

31 minutes ago, Enrique523 said:

“higher quality" than Taylor's discography????

I’m sorry but most of taylors stuff I’ve heard (maybe minus folklore) sounds like an angsty teen level of quality. I don’t know if it’s her voice that cheapens the quality or her campiness/corniness but her stuff sounds like it has some sort of electronic filter or maybe i am old now and that’s what’s in thanks to tiktok 

 

anyway, all that to say a lot of Britney’s stuff (minus bj that’s not her(s)), has immaculate quality that has aged objectively divinely. No shade to taylor specifically because not everyone has that

[Enrique523]

1 hour ago, dirrtydiana said:

I’m sorry but most of taylors stuff I’ve heard (maybe minus folklore) sounds like an angsty teen level of quality. I don’t know if it’s her voice that cheapens the quality or her campiness/corniness but her stuff sounds like it has some sort of electronic filter or maybe i am old now and that’s what’s in thanks to tiktok 

 

anyway, all that to say a lot of Britney’s stuff (minus bj that’s not her(s)), has immaculate quality that has aged objectively divinely. No shade to taylor specifically because not everyone has that

 

That europop trash you call a "discography" is not objectively quality in any way. But you are free to have zero taste i guess.

[Raspberries]

1 hour ago, leyaris11 said:

The answered very simple sis: It's Britney, *****! 

So.. nothing  

 

She can't sing, can't dance anymore, doesn't write, doesn't produce, plays 0 instruments (no, the piano playing for Everytime doesn't count as even a 10 year old could play that), doesn't compose... What is her musical talent?

[Raspberries]

16 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said:

I’m sorry but most of taylors stuff I’ve heard (maybe minus folklore) sounds like an angsty teen level of quality. I don’t know if it’s her voice that cheapens the quality or her campiness/corniness but her stuff sounds like it has some sort of electronic filter or maybe i am old now and that’s what’s in thanks to tiktok 

 

anyway, all that to say a lot of Britney’s stuff (minus bj that’s not her(s)), has immaculate quality that has aged objectively divinely. No shade to taylor specifically because not everyone has that

Britney's discography can be divided into 3 categories: The teen pop/label control years that have aged terribly (BOMT, Oops!, Britney), the quality years (ITZ, Blackout), and the generic throwaway **** (Circus, Femme Fatale, Britney Jean, Glory) 

 

And I know you're not talking about vocal quality/filters as a defender of arguably the least vocally talented pop star currently signed to a record label  

Edited June 29, 2023 by Raspberries

[dirrtydiana]

3 minutes ago, Enrique523 said:

 

That europop trash you call a "discography" is not objectively quality in any way. But you are free to have zero taste i guess.

I don’t listen to Luke fatale so i wouldn’t know about that  🤷‍♀️ 

[Raspberries]

29 minutes ago, BeyIridescent said:

Most of you are too young to have been there in real time. I remember Britney was HUGE. I would even say she was bigger than Taylor is now when she debuted.

I was there in real time. Taylor is bigger now  

[Enrique523]

1 hour ago, Raspberries said:

So.. nothing  

 

She can't sing, can't dance anymore, doesn't write, doesn't produce, plays 0 instruments (no, the piano playing for Everytime doesn't count as even a 10 year old could play that), doesn't compose... What is her musical talent?

Exactly. Britney has NOTHING, she's the most mediocre joke of a pop star the world has ever seen. Her chipmunk "voice" is the most awful sound i've ever heard coming from a recording artist 

[Enrique523]

1 hour ago, dirrtydiana said:

I don’t listen to Luke fatale so i wouldn’t know about that  🤷‍♀️ 

As if Britney's stuff pre-Femme Fatale wasn't as autotuned and overproduced, please