Bigger: Britney in 1999-2000 vs Taylor in 2022-2023?

[tshwark]

18 hours ago, Popboi. said:

Fearless and 1989 are eligible for Diamond, they just won’t be certified until whoever has control of Big Machine  Records pays for the certifications.

 

Notice the use of word UNITS and now backtracking to pure sales after failing to make a point

And what’s a unit, surely not free streaming on Spotify, Adele went Diamond in pure sales BACK TO BACK, while Taylor was at her peak, fearless is far away from Diamond in pure sales, so don’t play dumb.

[supertiffany]

6 minutes ago, tshwark said:

And what’s a unit, surely not free streaming on Spotify, Adele went Diamond in pure sales BACK TO BACK, while Taylor was at her peak, fearless is far away from Diamond in pure sales, so don’t play dumb.

 

[Wewee]

Taylor tbh

[Popboi.]

49 minutes ago, tshwark said:

And what’s a unit, surely not free streaming on Spotify, Adele went Diamond in pure sales BACK TO BACK, while Taylor was at her peak, fearless is far away from Diamond in pure sales, so don’t play dumb.

Units is literally the term used for pure sales + streaming equivalents, based on revenue. Take the complaint of the use of the word to Billboard or something. Best believe I'm not the one playing dumb when ALL charts in the world include streaming, no one really cares about those selective Remy Ma type of achievements (for instance, just pure sales! iconic outfits! (that no one in real life remembers)).

 

Yes, Adele had back to back Diamond albums, one of which was over a DECADE ago, when the discussion in here was based on Britney in 1999-2000 and Taylor in 2022-2023, not 2008-2011 which was not Taylor's peak. In 2023 pure sales are almost a non factor - but if one wants to go there Midnights was the best selling album in pure sales in 2022, it's also currently the best selling album in pure sales in 2023 unless her very own Speak Now TV passes it. As a bonus, the top selling album in pure sales in 2021 was evermore by Taylor. 2020? folklore by Taylor. 2019? Lover by Taylor. 2018? Surprise, reputation by Taylor. Britney never had the top selling album in pure sales in a year, never has and never will. 

 

Streaming is the top medium of music consumption now, make the wild guess who's #1 there? Taylor has had the 100 biggest Spotify days this year so far, no one compares to her in that department

 

She's the biggest artist globally in 2021-2022 in album pure sales, streaming, touring and overall revenue all by a huge margin. Britney never reached that level of ubiquity outside TRL countdowns.

Edited June 28, 2023 by Popboi.

[VioletsandRoses]

43 minutes ago, Popboi. said:

Units is literally the term used for pure sales + streaming equivalents, based on revenue. Take the complaint of the use of the word to Billboard or something. Best believe I'm not the one playing dumb when ALL charts in the world include streaming, no one really cares about those selective Remy Ma type of achievements (for instance, just pure sales! iconic outfits! (that no one in real life remembers)).

 

Yes, Adele had back to back Diamond albums, one of which was over a DECADE ago, when the discussion in here was based on Britney in 1999-2000 and Taylor in 2022-2023, not 2008-2011 which was not Taylor's peak. In 2023 pure sales are almost a non factor - but if one wants to go there Midnights was the best selling album in pure sales in 2022, it's also currently the best selling album in pure sales in 2023 unless her very own Speak Now TV passes it. As a bonus, the top selling album in pure sales in 2021 was evermore by Taylor. 2020? folklore by Taylor. 2019? Lover by Taylor. 2018? Surprise, reputation by Taylor. Britney never had the top selling album in pure sales in a year, never has and never will. 

 

Streaming is the top medium of music consumption now, make the wild guess who's #1 there? Taylor has had the 100 biggest Spotify days this year so far, no one compares to her in that department

 

She's the biggest artist globally in 2021-2022 in album pure sales, streaming, touring and overall revenue all by a huge margin. Britney never reached that level of ubiquity outside TRL countdowns.

Some of these are not true. 
2021 was Adele’s 30 (which is the best selling in pure this decade) 

2019 was WWAFAWWG 

2018 was ASIB for female and The Greatest Showman overall 

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Its Taylor. And it’s more impressive that she did this 15+ years into her career. Britney’s peak is super overrated and her sales weren’t even that impressive for the year being. Plus her label held back singles to “inflate” her album sales. Many other artists didn’t hold back their singles and still sold more (Shania, Alanis, Madonna, etc) 

[Popboi.]

8 minutes ago, VioletsandRoses said:

Some of these are not true. 
2021 was Adele’s 30 (which is the best selling in pure this decade) 

2019 was WWAFAWWG 

2018 was ASIB for female and The Greatest Showman overall 

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Its Taylor. And it’s more impressive that she did this 15+ years into her career. Britney’s peak is super overrated and her sales weren’t even that impressive for the year being. Plus her label held back singles to “inflate” her album sales. Many other artists didn’t hold back their singles and still sold more (Shania, Alanis, Madonna, etc) 

2021 was evermore, with folklore at #2 https://www.billboard.com/charts/year-end/2021/top-album-title-sales/

2020 was folklore https://www.billboard.com/charts/year-end/2020/top-album-title-sales/

2019 was Lover https://www.billboard.com/charts/year-end/2019/top-album-title-sales/

2018 was reputation https://www.billboard.com/charts/year-end/2018/top-album-title-sales/

 

 

Was wrong about 2022, Midnights only had a couple of weeks of tracking but was #2, with Red TV being #3 https://www.billboard.com/charts/year-end/2022/top-album-title-sales/

 

30 sold less than folklore, let alone Midnights.

Edited June 29, 2023 by Popboi.

[VioletsandRoses]

1 minute ago, Popboi. said:

2021 was evermore, with folklore at #2 https://www.billboard.com/charts/year-end/2021/top-album-title-sales/

2020 was folklore https://www.billboard.com/charts/year-end/2020/top-album-title-sales/

2019 was Lover https://www.billboard.com/charts/year-end/2019/top-album-title-sales/

2018 was reputation https://www.billboard.com/charts/year-end/2018/top-album-title-sales/

 

 

Was wrong about 2022, Midnights only had a couple of weeks of tracking but was #2, with Red TV being #3 https://www.billboard.com/charts/year-end/2022/top-album-title-sales/

Oh US, I thought you meant global stats. Don’t know why billboard starts tracking in November but 30 sold 1.46 million in 2021 alone. 

[tshwark]

55 minutes ago, Popboi. said:

Units is literally the term used for pure sales + streaming equivalents, based on revenue. Take the complaint of the use of the word to Billboard or something. Best believe I'm not the one playing dumb when ALL charts in the world include streaming, no one really cares about those selective Remy Ma type of achievements (for instance, just pure sales! iconic outfits! (that no one in real life remembers)).

 

Yes, Adele had back to back Diamond albums, one of which was over a DECADE ago, when the discussion in here was based on Britney in 1999-2000 and Taylor in 2022-2023, not 2008-2011 which was not Taylor's peak. In 2023 pure sales are almost a non factor - but if one wants to go there Midnights was the best selling album in pure sales in 2022, it's also currently the best selling album in pure sales in 2023 unless her very own Speak Now TV passes it. As a bonus, the top selling album in pure sales in 2021 was evermore by Taylor. 2020? folklore by Taylor. 2019? Lover by Taylor. 2018? Surprise, reputation by Taylor. Britney never had the top selling album in pure sales in a year, never has and never will. 

 

Streaming is the top medium of music consumption now, make the wild guess who's #1 there? Taylor has had the 100 biggest Spotify days this year so far, no one compares to her in that department

 

She's the biggest artist globally in 2021-2022 in album pure sales, streaming, touring and overall revenue all by a huge margin. Britney never reached that level of ubiquity outside TRL countdowns.

And you keep playing dumb, if Adele proved it was possible to scan Diamond in pure sales back to back, the only one after Britney 17 year later, why tailor failed to achieve that, why? what happened, why she can shine now with free streaming and not before.

[Popboi.]

Just now, VioletsandRoses said:

Oh US, I thought you meant global stats. Don’t know why billboard starts tracking in November but 30 sold 1.46 million in 2021 alone. 

They were talking about Diamond albums, that's US only

 

When it comes to WW, KPOP and JPOP dominate heavily for several years now when it comes to pure sales, the biggest for western artists to make it more simple:

 

2022: Midnights https://www.ifpi.org/our-industry/global-charts/

2021: 30 (highest for Taylor being Red TV at 7 and Fearless TV at 10 overall; 4 and 5 for western only) https://www.ifpi.org/adeles-30-announced-as-winner-of-ifpis-global-album-all-format-chart/

2020: folklore https://www.ifpi.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/GMR2021_STATE_OF_THE_INDUSTRY.pdf

2019: Lover https://www.ifpi.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Global_Music_Report-the_Industry_in_2019-en.pdf

2018: Divide (reputation at 2) https://www.fimi.it/kdocs/1922703/gmr-2018-ilovepdf-compressed.pdf

 

 

[Popboi.]

11 minutes ago, tshwark said:

And you keep playing dumb, if Adele proved it was possible to scan Diamond in pure sales back to back, the only one after Britney 17 year later, why tailor failed to achieve that, why? what happened, why she can shine now with free streaming and not before.

Because exceptions are not rules (It's like asking why late 90s saw Shania scanning 2x Diamond twice in a row and not Britney or anyone else for that matter), also Adele was the top artist of 2011-2015 (a much more pure sales friendly environment than Taylor's peak of 2020-now). Either way Fearless is Diamond, 1989 is eligible for Diamond and Midnights is inevitably reaching the landmark even faster than both at current rate, still consistently in the top 5 while being over halfway to Diamond.

 

 

[TrieLz]

1999-2000 Britney:

biggest song: BOMT

biggest album: BOMT

 

2022-2023 Tay:

biggest song: AH

biggest album: Midnight

 

if we compare AH is Tay biggest hit and BOMT is Brit biggest hit, tbh AH bigger than BOMT,

 

but BOMT has more cultural impact for Pop Music back in 1999 (also BOMT video one of the most iconic MVs)

 

it’s hard to choose

both big in a different way 

[wastedpotential]

1 hour ago, Popboi. said:

Units is literally the term used for pure sales + streaming equivalents, based on revenue. Take the complaint of the use of the word to Billboard or something. Best believe I'm not the one playing dumb when ALL charts in the world include streaming, no one really cares about those selective Remy Ma type of achievements (for instance, just pure sales! iconic outfits! (that no one in real life remembers)).

 

Yes, Adele had back to back Diamond albums, one of which was over a DECADE ago, when the discussion in here was based on Britney in 1999-2000 and Taylor in 2022-2023, not 2008-2011 which was not Taylor's peak. In 2023 pure sales are almost a non factor - but if one wants to go there Midnights was the best selling album in pure sales in 2022, it's also currently the best selling album in pure sales in 2023 unless her very own Speak Now TV passes it. As a bonus, the top selling album in pure sales in 2021 was evermore by Taylor. 2020? folklore by Taylor. 2019? Lover by Taylor. 2018? Surprise, reputation by Taylor. Britney never had the top selling album in pure sales in a year, never has and never will. 

 

Streaming is the top medium of music consumption now, make the wild guess who's #1 there? Taylor has had the 100 biggest Spotify days this year so far, no one compares to her in that department

 

She's the biggest artist globally in 2021-2022 in album pure sales, streaming, touring and overall revenue all by a huge margin. Britney never reached that level of ubiquity outside TRL countdowns.

Holy **** this lashing 

[Alldeezy]

Taylor is breaking records, all over the news, a 70 year old man on sky news who call out horses even joking about Taylor Swift.

 

I've never seen anything like it she really is the biggest artist in the world right now.

 

Britney was huge in her prime but never anything like this.  Then again I was pretty young during peak Britney.

 

Plus the best rap song of all time is about Britney so idk. 

[The Music Industry]

2 hours ago, tshwark said:

And what’s a unit, surely not free streaming on Spotify

[Blue Rose]

Miss Americana is doing crazy numbers while the industry is dead. Miss American Dream was doing crazy numbers alongside 500 other artists. Taylor for the win!

[Headlock]

Not people coming for Taylor’s pure sales 

[tshwark]

1 hour ago, Allday said:

Taylor is breaking records, all over the news, a 70 year old man on sky news who call out horses even joking about Taylor Swift.

 

I've never seen anything like it she really is the biggest artist in the world right now.

 

Britney was huge in her prime but never anything like this.  Then again I was pretty young during peak Britney.

 

Plus the best rap song of all time is about Britney so idk. 

CNN would broadcast live, if Britney was on the streets, 8 years most googled, it was insane.

[tshwark]

4 hours ago, Popboi. said:

Because exceptions are not rules (It's like asking why late 90s saw Shania scanning 2x Diamond twice in a row and not Britney or anyone else for that matter), also Adele was the top artist of 2011-2015 (a much more pure sales friendly environment than Taylor's peak of 2020-now). Either way Fearless is Diamond, 1989 is eligible for Diamond and Midnights is inevitably reaching the landmark even faster than both at current rate, still consistently in the top 5 while being over halfway to Diamond.

 

 

But why Taylor can’t be the exception, and if it was so EASY during 1999 and 2000 to score Diamond in pure TWICE, we should have a long list of artists reaching that milestone, but it isn’t the case, Shania released in 97 and Eminem’s 1999 album didn’t scan Diamond, Backstreet Boy’s 2000 album didn’t also, so it wasn’t free.

[Popboi.]

2 hours ago, tshwark said:

But why Taylor can’t be the exception, and if it was so EASY during 1999 and 2000 to score Diamond in pure TWICE, we should have a long list of artists reaching that milestone, but it isn’t the case, Shania released in 97 and Eminem’s 1999 album didn’t scan Diamond, Backstreet Boy’s 2000 album didn’t also, so it wasn’t free.

Backstreet Boys already had 2 Diamond albums before 2000 (another to the list), Eminem had his breakthrough in 2000 (unlike what Britney stans experience, artists can peak outside their debut album) to then have 2 Diamond albums in a row and a Diamond greatest hits album. 

 

Shania released in 1997 but almost all the units of Come On Over were in 1998 to 2000.

 

Are you seriously going to try to make a point by noticing Shania's was 1 year earlier, while trying to use Adele to discredit 2022-2023 Taylor with a 2011 album?

[kataraqueen]

7 minutes ago, Popboi. said:

Backstreet Boys already had 2 Diamond albums before 2000 (another to the list), Eminem had his breakthrough in 2000 (unlike what Britney stans experience, artists can peak outside their debut album) to then have 2 Diamond albums in a row and a Diamond greatest hits album. 

 

Shania released in 1997 but almost all the units of Come On Over were in 1998 to 2000.

 

Are you seriously going to try to make a point by noticing Shania's was 1 year earlier, while trying to use Adele to discredit 2022-2023 Taylor with a 2011 album?

The pure sales market was WORSE in 2011 like be real

 

2011 was the first year it went up again and I wouldn't be surprised if Adele played a big part in that

 

And then k-pop made the youth wanna buy albums again in the subsequent years

 

taylor swift had a smaller peak in 2011, she had her pop breakthrough, her songs were playing everywhere here, and yet she didn't move unite like Adele

 

(that user trying to discredit with the Shania comparison I disagree with tho lol)

Edited June 29, 2023 by kataraqueen

[kexin]

we can't just observe taylor's 2022-2023 success in a vacuum. her ability to translate her success from physicals to streaming is absolutely unprecedented. she would not be here today without her talent and business savy ways. 

 

Edited June 29, 2023 by kexin

[Popboi.]

18 minutes ago, kataraqueen said:

The pure sales market was WORSE in 2011 like be real

 

2011 was the first year it went up again and I wouldn't be surprised if Adele played a big part in that

 

And then k-pop made the youth wanna buy albums again in the subsequent years

 

taylor swift had a smaller peak in 2011, she had her pop breakthrough, her songs were playing everywhere here, and yet she didn't move unite like Adele

 

(that user trying to discredit with the Shania comparison I disagree with tho lol)

Taylor's full transition to pop was in 2014 with 1989, when the whole Spotify doesn't pay artists enough debacle happened and she pulled the plug on her music being on streaming services... and Europe was already heavy on streams.

 

She didn't move albums like Adele cause Adele was bigger during 2011-2015 no one is denying that nor was even the point asked in the OP. 

[leyaris11]

9 hours ago, Allday said:

Taylor is breaking records, all over the news, a 70 year old man on sky news who call out horses even joking about Taylor Swift.

 

I've never seen anything like it she really is the biggest artist in the world right now.

 

Britney was huge in her prime but never anything like this.  Then again I was pretty young during peak Britney.

 

Plus the best rap song of all time is about Britney so idk. 

You just answered your own question, kid. 

[kataraqueen]

2 hours ago, Popboi. said:

Taylor's full transition to pop was in 2014 with 1989, when the whole Spotify doesn't pay artists enough debacle happened and she pulled the plug on her music being on streaming services... and Europe was already heavy on streams.

 

She didn't move albums like Adele cause Adele was bigger during 2011-2015 no one is denying that nor was even the point asked in the OP. 

She let go of her country influences sure but you can't tell me IKYWT isn't a full blown pop song lol

 

my point is that comparing it to Adele isn't a stretch because Adele managed to move units in an era where physical sales were becoming obsolete 

[tshwark]

3 hours ago, Popboi. said:

Backstreet Boys already had 2 Diamond albums before 2000 (another to the list), Eminem had his breakthrough in 2000 (unlike what Britney stans experience, artists can peak outside their debut album) to then have 2 Diamond albums in a row and a Diamond greatest hits album. 

 

Shania released in 1997 but almost all the units of Come On Over were in 1998 to 2000.

 

Are you seriously going to try to make a point by noticing Shania's was 1 year earlier, while trying to use Adele to discredit 2022-2023 Taylor with a 2011 album?

 Brit broke a digital sales record in 2011, 13 years after her debut so don’t play dumb again, and you keep avoiding the answer, why taylor failed to achieve Diamond in pure sales if it was so easy and Adele proved it was possible TWICE, WHY?