Bigger: Britney in 1999-2000 vs Taylor in 2022-2023?

[Klein]

1 minute ago, dirrtydiana said:

Again, your fellow swifties claimed a few pages back she’s moving so much streams and units due to new people going to the tour and discovering her music 

 

now you’re saying it’s due to an album that wouldn’t make much if any difference in her success? Which is it?

1. Yes, the tour boost is part because of people discovering her music. That's only part of it though, and if someone argued that the entire tour boost is attributed to people discovering her music they are wrong. 

2. Midnights made her much bigger WW than any of her other album ever could. Not even 1989. 

3. folklore, evermore and Red TV did amazing for her image, and set the groundwork Midnights. Thanks to that, Midnights started out super strong. Thanks to Midnights and Midnights itself, it has boosted her entire discography to a whole new level. Thanks to The Eras Tour, which most of the success can be attributed to the Midnights era (she definitely would not be smashing records left and right had she toured before the release of this album, especially in LATAM and Europe), her units skyrocketed to new highs. 

 

You implying that the reason she is moving more units than her competition is the re-recordings is just factually wrong. 

[dirrtydiana]

12 minutes ago, Klein said:

1. Yes, the tour boost is part because of people discovering her music. That's only part of it though, and if someone argued that the entire tour boost is attributed to people discovering her music they are wrong. 

2. Midnights made her much bigger WW than any of her other album ever could. Not even 1989. 

3. folklore, evermore and Red TV did amazing for her image, and set the groundwork Midnights. Thanks to that, Midnights started out super strong. Thanks to Midnights and Midnights itself, it has boosted her entire discography to a whole new level. Thanks to The Eras Tour, which most of the success can be attributed to the Midnights era (she definitely would not be smashing records left and right had she toured before the release of this album, especially in LATAM and Europe), her units skyrocketed to new highs. 

 

You implying that the reason she is moving more units than her competition is the re-recordings is just factually wrong. 

I wasnt aware of #2 thanks

 

That may be so but the TVs certainly give her an edge over her competition 

[spree]

you think she's hit these new highs because of Lavender Haze and Karma? 

[Klein]

5 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said:

I wasnt aware of #2 thanks

 

That may be so but the TVs certainly give her an edge over her competition 

No, all they do is just make the gap even bigger. 

 

Without the re-recordings, she would be doing 70M streams daily (and that's without accounting for the fact that the OGs would obviously be performing better without the TVs). Her closest competition (Bad Bunny) is at 50M. 

 

4 minutes ago, spree said:

you think she's hit these new highs because of Lavender Haze and Karma? 

Now why would you purposefully avoid talking about Anti-Hero? 

 

Karma is also still top 10 so I wouldn't dismiss it just yet. 

Edited June 27, 2023 by Klein

[prézli]

The impactful singer.

[The Music Industry]

45 minutes ago, spree said:

you think she's hit these new highs because of Lavender Haze and Karma? 

No, Taylor is not a one-trick poney who needs a particular song to remain relevant. She's hit these new highs because she's highly respected and has a discography completely unparalleled by her peers both in terms of sheer success and adoration. Her re-recording her past works also cemented her entire discography to a whole new level, hence why she constantly has old songs going viral, has more monthly listeners than any female artist ever on streaming platforms like Spotify, and hence why she's charting 5+ albums in a dozen countries, including 9 albums in the top 40 of the Billboard 200. 

 

Hope this helps!

 

[Richie]

Objectively it was Britney the bigger phenomenon.

 

Objectively 90% of swifties weren't even born in 1999 - 2000 so they wouldn't know how powerful and monumental Britney Spears was during her prime.

[dirrtydiana]

31 minutes ago, The Music Industry said:

No, Taylor is not a one-trick poney who needs a particular song to remain relevant. She's hit these new highs because she's highly respected and has a discography completely unparalleled by her peers both in terms of sheer success and adoration. Her re-recording her past works also cemented her entire discography to a whole new level, hence why she constantly has old songs going viral, has more monthly listeners than any female artist ever on streaming platforms like Spotify, and hence why she's charting 5+ albums in a dozen countries, including 9 albums in the top 40 of the Billboard 200. 

 

Hope this helps!

 

True she’s certainly not a one trick pony. No other artist has successfully gone from shania, to britney to lana to I guess finally herself with midnights. 

 

idk about respected… her business mind maybe

 

and all the numbers are pointless. Just as she’s doing impressive numbers others have also done before her and will in the future as records are meant to be broken

[Power love]

14 hours ago, dirrtydiana said:

Or else xtina would also have close to 100M in sales.

Britney doesn’t even have 100M in sales & again Britney Stan’s not mentioning Xtina challenge.

[dirrtydiana]

1 minute ago, Power love said:

Britney doesn’t even have 100M in sales & again Britney Stan’s not mentioning Xtina challenge.

She sure as hell is the closet to the figure as opposed to all her counter parts

 

lets start the you not posting on Britney threads and staying out of my notifications challenge 

 

[Cap87]

Britney

 

Taylor Swift sucks

 

She can't sing

Can't perform

Write crappy mediocre boring songs

[Popboi.]

6 hours ago, tshwark said:

Brit actually pushed units, she sold so much it was unreal

Taylor is objectively pushing more units in 2023 than Britney ever did on any calendar year

[UseYourIllusion2002]

On 6/25/2023 at 10:27 AM, style17 said:

whats Britney’s achievement? Having people want to have sex with her underage? 

Why even bring statutory rape into the conversation you weird creep. 
Says more about the type of person you are. How are grown men wanting to have sex with an underage girl even a drag, lol? It’s only a drag for the men involved.

Anyways, the answer is Taylor. 

[1989]

7 hours ago, dirrtydiana said:

“In 2023” is your defense? Really? Because that erases what they did? That must mean what Adele did in 2015 doesn’t count either anymore. But in taylorland 2023 will count for her forever. Get a grip. And like I said, bad bunny is way more impressive because he did it on one album and not like 11 like tay and with little to no English, the “numbers don’t lie.” 🤷‍♀️ Well then just ignore them and go to the show and enjoy her success, babe.

It’s not a defense, it’s literally half of the topic of this thread. Taylor 2022-2023 is literally in the thread title.  I never said it “erased what they did”, my point was simply that in 2023, Taylor is bigger. And please, the absolute irony of a Britney stan crying “2023 will count for her forever”, as if the entire Britney stanbase still isn’t desperately clinging to the year 2000.  I suppose attempting to stay on topic in threads is a foreign concept to you, as it seems you spend all your time on ATRL waiting for the next Taylor thread to pop up so you can run into it to post more delusional (and oftentimes factually incorrect) statements. 

[dejmieeen]

Seriously? Britney is iconic, the other one would be remembered as shopping mall music creator. Next.

[RobynYoBank]

Not 17 pages 

[tshwark]

3 hours ago, Popboi. said:

Taylor is objectively pushing more units in 2023 than Britney ever did on any calendar year

Sadly she never scored Diamond in pure sales, while Adele did it and back to back regardless of taylor being around, why taylor couldn’t do it?   

[supertiffany]

1 hour ago, tshwark said:

Sadly she never scored Diamond in pure sales, while Adele did it and back to back regardless of taylor being around, why taylor couldn’t do it?   

Taylor's demographic is smaller but are rabid and buys in BULK or SPAM STREAMS

 

if it weren't for 1223456789x versions and remixes, the numbers would obviously be smaller

 

[dirrtydiana]

1 hour ago, tshwark said:

Sadly she never scored Diamond in pure sales, while Adele did it and back to back regardless of taylor being around, why taylor couldn’t do it?   

But but 2023!!!1 

 

14 minutes ago, supertiffany said:

Taylor's demographic is smaller but are rabid and buys in BULK or SPAM STREAMS

 

if it weren't for 1223456789x versions and remixes, the numbers would obviously be smaller

 

Both posts are fact

[Popboi.]

2 hours ago, tshwark said:

Sadly she never scored Diamond in pure sales, while Adele did it and back to back regardless of taylor being around, why taylor couldn’t do it?   

Fearless and 1989 are eligible for Diamond, they just won’t be certified until whoever has control of Big Machine  Records pays for the certifications.

 

Notice the use of word UNITS and now backtracking to pure sales after failing to make a point

[Popboi.]

32 minutes ago, supertiffany said:

Taylor's demographic is smaller but are rabid and buys in BULK or SPAM STREAMS

 

if it weren't for 1223456789x versions and remixes, the numbers would obviously be smaller

 

Please the remixes and the different vinyl versions etc are only an insignificant percentage of her units  

 

Its not like she was flooding everyone with remixes or anything.

 

For instance, latest albums for comparison sake:

 

- Midnights: 10 remixes (Ice Spice Remix of Karma, Bleachers Remix of Anti-Hero, 4 remixes for Lavender Haze and 4 for Anti-Hero).

- Glory: 13 remixes (5 for Make Me, 5 for Slumber Party, 2 of Mood Ring and the Tinashe Remix of SP.).

 

Glory still became a complete bomb, remixed don’t save or particularly help an artist.

 

Before Midnights Taylor only had about 15 remixes all together between her 9 other albums. Femme Fatale era ALONE had nearly 40. But the finger is pointed at Taylor?

 

Versions aren’t even as many as several said in this thread. For instance Midnights had 6 vinyl versions (2 being identical), even Lizzo and Kelly Clarkson had more  (and Britney has had 4-6 different vinyl pressings of all her albums and 3 for My Prerogative in the past few years alone). It’s the industry norm.

 

If by version one means the Taylor’s Version and original, the originals streams pretty much jump ship the second the Taylor’s Version comes in, it’s very much a replacement and not 2 versions going strong simultaneously.

[nmt]

Taylor releasing 176394 versions of a song/ album is the same as Britney not releasing physical singles during her prime. Both were done to push the album sales, let's not. 

Edited June 28, 2023 by nmt

[Illuminati]

16 hours ago, Cap87 said:

Britney

 

Taylor Swift sucks

 

She can't sing

Can't perform

Write crappy mediocre boring songs

Compared to who? Lip sync powerhouse, thee songwriter of her generation Britney?

[Selegend]

No pop girl was ever bigger than Taylor is in 2023. Ever. It just never happened before. 

 

Britney impact is still felt till this day tho! 

 

[Ms. Togekiss]

On 6/27/2023 at 1:28 PM, spree said:

you think she's hit these new highs because of Lavender Haze and Karma? 

You fume over Taylor Swift on this and other forums. You really need to touch some grass, katykitty