Bigger: Britney in 1999-2000 vs Taylor in 2022-2023?

[Jjang]

Britney but overall Taylor's career is clearly bigger.

[dirrtydiana]

1 minute ago, Jjang said:

Britney but overall Taylor's career is clearly bigger.

well yes, shes been constantly grinding uninterrupted while brit only did the first 5 years

[Cloröx]

Taylor did 22.4M album units in 2022 which is the biggest sales year this century. 2023 is shaping up to even greater than that so yeah Taylor's peak is bigger than Britney's factually 

[dirrtydiana]

Just now, Cloröx said:

Taylor did 22.4M album units in 2022 which is the biggest sales year this century. 2023 is shaping up to even greater than that so yeah Taylor's peak is bigger than Britney's factually 

and britney moved 50 her first 3 efforts. thankfully tay has streaming, tiktok, like 11 albums out, no competition and gen-z to exploit. i must say im glad its her and not some gen z influencer who has no business on stage and studio

[Raspberries]

16 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said:

That still doesn’t make tay “in 2023” bigger than Britney in 2003 🤷‍♀️ 

More albums moved yearly 2003 vs 2023: Taylor

More hits in 2003 vs 2023: Taylor

More tickets sold in 2003 vs 2023: Taylor 

 

[dirrtydiana]

1 minute ago, Raspberries said:

More albums moved yearly 2003 vs 2023: Taylor

More hits in 2003 vs 2023: Taylor

More tickets sold in 2003 vs 2023: Taylor 

 

by 2003 she had moved 50M 3 albums 4 years into her career v 12albums and 18yrs

she only released MATM in 2003

and britney sold 0 tickets in 2003 as onyx was 2004

 

but nice try

[Cloröx]

1 minute ago, dirrtydiana said:

and britney moved 50 her first 3 efforts. thankfully tay has streaming, tiktok, like 11 albums out, no competition and gen-z to exploit. i must say im glad its her and not some gen z influencer who has no business on stage and studio

You have points, both Taylor and Britney have their own advantages. It's much easier to access music nowadays meanwhile Britney is benefitting from the peak of physical sales. In the end, Taylor has bigger peak than Britney but we all agreed that both of them are extremely successful and their reign are iconic  

[dirrtydiana]

4 minutes ago, Cloröx said:

meanwhile Britney is benefitting from the peak of physical sales.

yall cant use this until you can show Destiny's Child, pinks, xtinas, avrils diamond albums and 1M openers

 

but yes there is no denying theyre both very successful

[Raspberries]

14 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said:

by 2003 she had moved 50M 3 albums 4 years into her career v 12albums and 18yrs

she only released MATM in 2003

and britney sold 0 tickets in 2003 as onyx was 2004

 

but nice try

Taylor Swift is moving more albums in 2023 than Britney did in 2003. Why are you counting albums from the 90s  

 

Midnights is a bigger era with more hits than In The Zone. The Eras Tour has already done $500M-ish, which is nearly almost twenty times more than Onyx Hotel Tour  

[Axelios]

5 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said:

yall cant use this until you can show Destiny's Child, pinks, xtinas, avrils diamond albums and 1M openers

 

but yes there is no denying theyre both very successful

You can't use streaming/tiktok until you show Drake, Bad Bunny, Ariana, Billie, Gaga, Beyonce selling more than 22 million units in a year

[dirrtydiana]

1 minute ago, Raspberries said:

Taylor Swift is moving more albums in 2023 than Britney did in 2003. Why are you counting albums from the 90s  

 

Midnights is a bigger era with more hits than In The Zone. The Eras Tour has already done $500M-ish, which is nearly almost twenty times more than Onyx Hotel Tour  

britney's last release had been 2 years prior and was in hiatus in 2003 ...I-

 

who claimed otherwise?  not to mention onyx was cancelled like half way through

 

1 minute ago, Axelios said:

You can't use streaming/tiktok until you show Drake, Bad Bunny, Ariana, Billie, Gaga, Beyonce selling more than 22 million units in a year

why do they have like 13 albums plus re-releases theyre exploiting too? 

[Axelios]

Just now, dirrtydiana said:

britney's last release had been 2 years prior and was in hiatus in 2003 ...I-

 

who claimed otherwise?  not to mention onyx was cancelled like half way through

 

why do they have like 13 albums plus re-releases theyre exploiting too? 

Drake releases more than Taylor, he released two albums just last year and yet he is far from matching. There are plenty of artists that have more albums than Taylor, none has the same success as her. 

She is also the only 1 million + opener since her own Reputation in 2017.

[dirrtydiana]

1 minute ago, Axelios said:

Drake releases more than Taylor, he released two albums just last year and yet he is far from matching. There are plenty of artists that have more albums than Taylor, none has the same success as her. 

She is also the only 1 million + opener since her own Reputation in 2017.

he's also doing Drakes versions of most of his work?

true, yet adele still trumps her with only 2 albums 

that's like her thing like AOTY, she'll keep getting both

[tshwark]

Britney obviously, it wasn’t just the fame, iconic performances and media coverage, Brit actually pushed units, she sold so much it was unreal, I can only think of Adele when it comes to score diamond back to back. 

[Raspberries]

20 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said:

britney's last release had been 2 years prior and was in hiatus in 2003 ...I-

 

who claimed otherwise?  not to mention onyx was cancelled like half way through

 

why do they have like 13 albums plus re-releases theyre exploiting too? 

I was counting her entire 2003 era (In The Zone) as 2003. I know most of it was 2004

 

Every Taylor era is bigger than ITZ minus her 2006 debut and maybe evermore (although evermore will surpass it once it's been out for 20 years like ITZ has been)

[Klein]

13 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said:

he's also doing Drakes versions of most of his work?

true, yet adele still trumps her with only 2 albums 

that's like her thing like AOTY, she'll keep getting both

Because you think the re-recordings are what's bringing the majority of the units, when Midnights and Lover and the ones sitting in the top 10, followed by folklore and 1989 in the top 20, and Reputation in the top 30?

[dirrtydiana]

2 minutes ago, Klein said:

Because you think the re-recordings are what's bringing the majority of the units, when Midnights and Lover and the ones sitting in the top 10, followed by folklore and 1989 in the top 20, and Reputation in the top 30?

she's literally on a tour called eras

where were you in 2020 when she revived her career after lover with F and E? built extreme hype for the TVs?

if you dont know something this simple i dont want to have this convo :(

[Klein]

Just now, dirrtydiana said:

she's literally on a tour called eras

where were you in 2020 when she revived her career after lover with F and E? built extreme hype for the TVs?

if you dont know something this simple i dont want to have this convo :(

And? Does that make Fearless TV and Red TV the ones that are bringing in even close to the majority of the insane units she's pulling? 

[dirrtydiana]

3 minutes ago, Klein said:

And? Does that make Fearless TV and Red TV the ones that are bringing in even close to the majority of the insane units she's pulling? 

wait so midnights sold that number I keep seeing? 22M?
 

Just a few pages ago swifties were claiming new people got interested and are discovering all her dico hence the raise in her streams and sales 

 

now you’re saying it’s her new work doing this?

 

[Klein]

2 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said:

wait so midnights sold that number I keep seeing? 22M?
 

Just a few pages ago swifties were claiming new people got interested and are discovering all her dico hence the raise in her streams and sales 

 

now you’re saying it’s her new work doing this?

 

Maybe try having a normal conversation and you'll understand the point. 

 

You were told that Drake is releasing as much as Taylor and not matching her numbers. Your answer was "but is he re-recording his music?" like the TVs are the reason Taylor is moving that much units in 2023. 

 

Were the re-recordings instrumental in rehabilitating Taylor's image? Yes (only Red TV though, with ATW10). Are they the reason she's pulling the numbers she is this year? No. Midnights is the one to credit for that. This album catapulted her to a whole new level of success. And then The Eras Tour obviously, which the TV account only for a small portion in comparison to Midnights, folklore, evermore and Lover (and 1989 and Reputation which are yet to be re-released). 

[Cloröx]

1 hour ago, dirrtydiana said:

yall cant use this until you can show Destiny's Child, pinks, xtinas, avrils diamond albums and 1M openers

 

but yes there is no denying theyre both very successful

Why did you bring other artists into this conservation, so weird. I can use the same excuse, there's artists that release as much as Taylor or even more yet there not touching her number 

[dirrtydiana]

30 minutes ago, Klein said:

Were the re-recordings instrumental in rehabilitating Taylor's image? Yes

The only true statement in your post.

 

fact remains shed still be almost this successful if she didn’t release midnights and went on en eras tour to promote the two prior albums and the TVs. Midnights only adds to her success it is not responsible for it

[dirrtydiana]

Just now, Cloröx said:

Why did you bring other artists into this conservation, so weird. I can use the same excuse, there's artists that release as much as Taylor or even more yet there not touching her number 

Someone claimed the reason Britney sold as much was this so called cd peak. It’s a fact her peers from the time didn’t come close to her and were not enjoying such high numbers.

 

I’m not here to be an English teacher.

 

Name one person who is releasing as much as her. She’s in her 10th era without even counting the TVs.

[Klein]

Just now, dirrtydiana said:

The only true statement in your post.

 

fact remains shed still be almost this successful if she didn’t release midnights and went on en eras tour to promote the two prior albums and the TVs. Midnights only adds to her success it is not responsible for it

You are joking right? 

 

And no, she wouldn't be anywhere close to these numbers without Midnights and the insane interest it sparked back into her career, especially on a WW scale. She was doing 25M daily streams in 2022 before Midnights. In early 2023 she was doing 50M. 

[dirrtydiana]

Just now, Klein said:

You are joking right? 

 

And no, she wouldn't be anywhere close to these numbers without Midnights and the insane interest it sparked back into her career, especially on a WW scale. She was doing 25M daily streams in 2022 before Midnights. In early 2023 she was doing 50M. 

Again, your fellow swifties claimed a few pages back she’s moving so much streams and units due to new people going to the tour and discovering her music 

 

now you’re saying it’s due to an album that wouldn’t make much if any difference in her success? Which is it?