Bigger: Britney in 1999-2000 vs Taylor in 2022-2023?

[JayG]

9 hours ago, chaklux said:

Given that Taylor is 17 years into her career and she is the biggest artist right now is super impressive and she is way bigger than Britney overrall. However in terms of peak, that having the world in chokehold peak, Britney peak is bigger and I think Adele’s 21 era is more comparable. Taylor is bigger and more successful than Adele overrall but she yet to have an era as big as 21 or Britney peak. 
Britney’ s Peak, Gaga’s peak and Adele’s peak are still the biggest peak for female artists in the last 25 years. Taylor has the most successful career commercially though. 

I would add Rihanna to that too. Those 4 REALLY SHIFTED pop culture and the industry forever.

[dirrtydiana]

2 hours ago, HappierJealousy said:

Britney is not, has never been, and will never be a bigger artist than Taylor Swift in 2023. The biggest difference between you and me is that I can say this and People just can’t and don’t need to quote me and call me anything cause they just can’t deny the objective data which will never lieLet Miss Spears enjoy her “bigger celebrity” (which is a complete delusion as well but I will just give it to her otherwise she will be too poor) in 2000 while Miss Swift enjoy her IFPI top female artist throne for five consecutive year, her 1 billion+ tour gross and a Grammy in 2023. both queen I guess!

Oh sweetie, go touch some grass.

Reality is none of those titles mean anything, scammys are corrupt and no one normal can name any of the 4 AOTYs she won maybe just 1989?

And all these people paying their hard earned money on this show will leave with buyers remorse if they have half a brain considering what they’re getting for their money

 

She’s enjoying a huge tour momentum like the likes of bad bunny or when Ed Sheeran did. Just go to the show, stream her music and enjoy her imperial era instead of looking like passing Taylor’s achievements as your own

[JayG]

2 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said:

Oh sweetie, go touch some grass.

Reality is none of those titles mean anything, scammys are corrupt and no one normal can name any of the 4 AOTYs she won maybe just 1989?

And all these people paying their hard earned money on this show will leave with buyers remorse if they have half a brain considering what they’re getting for their money

 

She’s enjoying a huge tour momentum like the likes of bad bunny or when Ed Sheeran did. Just go to the show, stream her music and enjoy her imperial era instead of looking like passing Taylor’s achievements as your own

 

Case closed

[dirrtydiana]

1 minute ago, JayG said:

 

Case closed

Not to mention the Britney print she used when she went pop 

[JayG]

4 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said:

Not to mention the Britney print she used when she went pop 

These threads are all bait lol. The Max Martin print STARTED with Britney and that era of artists (Robyn, NSync etc).

[Flanders]

It's not possible to be ubiquitous like that anymore. It's just impossible in the culture we now live in with all the personalized content and lack of universal channels that everyone is tuned into. People exist in their own little realities now, that's just the way it is. So my answer is Britney

[1989]

4 hours ago, dirrtydiana said:

Let me guess. Since the Beatles right?

 

Yeah, she’s done all that but more on the drake, bad bunny level. In part it is because of the dying of monoculture but let’s not act like back then people couldn’t change channels, radio stations or simply not buy music. Or else xtina would also have close to 100M in sales.

 

it’s not that impressive when drake, bad bunny, Ed Sheeran are also reaping from the benefits the greats like MJ, Madonna, Janet, Bey and yes Britney, made available for everyone after.

In 2023, Drake, Bad Bunny, and Ed Sheeran are not on the same level as Taylor. She can’t “have done all that but more on their level” when they literally aren’t doing the things she is.  Bad Bunny and Ed have NOT experienced the same tour momentum as Taylor has, and Drake’s last few projects largely came and went by his standards. ATRL loves to laugh about Swifties and numbers, but the reality is numbers don’t lie. They do, however, show that Taylor has blown past all three. You cannot claim that Bad Bunny and Ed have enjoyed the same tour boost and demand as Taylor when there is proof they simply have not. 

[Raspberries]

4 hours ago, JayG said:

I would add Rihanna to that too. Those 4 REALLY SHIFTED pop culture and the industry forever.

1989 is bigger commercially in every way than GGGB and Loud

[Raspberries]

4 hours ago, dirrtydiana said:

Not to mention the Britney print she used when she went pop 

Taylor has been pop leaning since her debut album - putting pop mixes in album like Shania. Again, Taylor and Britney are the complete opposite kinds of pop stars

 

You still being in this thread peddling the same lies and fallacies that have been disproven countless times  

Edited June 27, 2023 by Raspberries

[JayG]

12 minutes ago, Raspberries said:

1989 is bigger commercially in every way than GGGB and Loud

LMFAO. Awwww. A predictable Swiftie throwing numbers to justify their favs "talent" yet again. Is Miss Swifts DEMOGRAPHIC and ATRISTRY DIVERSE? Can she body ANY genre? Is she relatable outside of the same boring 'its giving white girl heartbroken victim' ass fanbase she has? Can she touch every genre, show versaility, have multiple talents in different arenas, connect to different generations across a GP audience? Can she come up with anything else new? Come back to me when she has fans outside of gay twinks, caucasian straights and predominantly girls that look and act just like her, then we can have a conversation about impact and artistry. "BuT CoMmErCiAlLy ShEs BiGgEr ZoMG". Next.

Edited June 27, 2023 by JayG

[Axelios]

3 minutes ago, JayG said:

LMFAO. Awwww. A predictable Swiftie throwing numbers to justify their favs "talent" yet again. Is Miss Swifts DEMOGRAPHIC and ATRISTRY DIVERSE? Can she body ANY genre? Is she relatable outside of the same boring 'its giving white girl heartbroken victim' ass fanbase she has? Can she touch every genre, show versaility, have multiple talents in different arenas, connect to different generations across a GP audience? Can she come up with anything else new? Come back to me when she has fans outside of gay twinks, caucasian straights and predominantly girls that look and act just like her, then we can have a conversation about impact and artistry. "BuT CoMmErCiAlLy ShEs BiGgEr ZoMG". Next.

Taylor artistry and fanbase demographics are more diverse than Rihanna. 

[Negev]

Where I'm from Taylor Swift is not a name that comes up ever, in any circumstance. And there'd been news stories about Bebe Rexha getting hit in the face and Beyoncé's Renaissance tour most recently. In Britney's context, she was here in 2016 for one of her biggest shows ever and there'd been news about her conservatorship as it came out. 

Edited June 27, 2023 by Negev

[Raspberries]

7 minutes ago, JayG said:

LMFAO. Awwww. A predictable Swiftie throwing numbers to justify their favs "talent" yet again. Is Miss Swifts DEMOGRAPHIC and ATRISTRY DIVERSE? Can she body ANY genre? Is she relatable outside of the same boring 'its giving white girl heartbroken victim' ass fanbase she has? Can she touch every genre, show versaility, have multiple talents in different arenas, connect to different generations across a GP audience? Can she come up with anything else new? Come back to me when she has fans outside of gay twinks, caucasian straights and predominantly girls that look and act just like her, then we can have a conversation about impact and artistry. "BuT CoMmErCiAlLy ShEs BiGgEr ZoMG". Next.

Rihanna is not musically talented in any way  Doesn't write, doesn't compose, plays 0 instruments, average singer at best etc. Rihanna showed up and laid down vocals for songs hand picked for her that were written by writing camps  She shamelessly trend hopped depending on what was popular 

 

Rihanna has a massive career and is a very smart business woman, but let's not start just stating flat out lies now 

Edited June 27, 2023 by Raspberries

[JayG]

Just now, Raspberries said:

Rihanna is not musically talented in any way  Doesn't write, doesn't compose, plays 0 instruments, average singer at best etc. Rihanna showed up and laid down vocals for songs hand picked for her that were written by writing camps  She shamelessly trend hopped depending on what was popular 

 

Rihanna has a massive career and is a very smart business woman, but let's not start just stating flat out lies now 

Rihanna sings circles around your fav. Her performances from the ANTI era obliterate your fav vocally. And her versatility vocally to jump between genres effortlessly is something your fav could never do. SHE hand picked those songs lmao, she didn't have a label pick her songs for her. She curated and PICKED the songs herself. GGGB was trend hopping? Rated R was trend hoping?! TTT was trend hopping? Unapologetic was trend hopping? ANTI was trend hopping?! And all the collabs did that too huh? LMFAO. Her peers were doing NOTHING she was doing. Literally nothing. Those albums sound like nothing her peers or ANYONE was doing at the time she dropped them. Try harder with the draggings. I know y'all are highly delusional about your fav but you cannot deny the facts - Rihanna SET trends. She SET them. She didnt follow trends, she SET these trends, and every ***** and their mother tried to copy straight after. Sonically and visually. There was nobody sounding or looking like her, with her or her music. She innovated her look and sound with each era, thats why shes compared to Madonna. She shifted culture every damn time she dropped.

 

Try harder.

[UnusualBoy]

Britney was bigger celebrity wise and there was the Britmania but stats wise Taylor is bigger. 
 

Honestly, not sure why this is 15 pages long but won’t plan to find out, I’d probably get migraine. 

[Raspberries]

38 minutes ago, JayG said:

Rihanna sings circles around your fav. Her performances from the ANTI era obliterate your fav vocally. And her versatility vocally to jump between genres effortlessly is something your fav could never do. SHE hand picked those songs lmao, she didn't have a label pick her songs for her. She curated and PICKED the songs herself. GGGB was trend hopping? Rated R was trend hoping?! TTT was trend hopping? Unapologetic was trend hopping? ANTI was trend hopping?! And all the collabs did that too huh? LMFAO. Her peers were doing NOTHING she was doing. Literally nothing. Those albums sound like nothing her peers or ANYONE was doing at the time she dropped them. Try harder with the draggings. I know y'all are highly delusional about your fav but you cannot deny the facts - Rihanna SET trends. She SET them. She didnt follow trends, she SET these trends, and every ***** and their mother tried to copy straight after. Sonically and visually. There was nobody sounding or looking like her, with her or her music. She innovated her look and sound with each era, thats why shes compared to Madonna. She shifted culture every damn time she dropped.

 

Try harder.

No, they do not. Rihanna's vocals are...fine, mostly. So are Taylor's..mostly. They're pretty even vocally while one is actually involved in the creation of her music. 

 

Picking songs is not a talent. That's something literally anyone can do. Not everyone can write, produce, compose, etc. every song they do

 

And yes TTT was trend hopping? WFL and WHYB, the two hits from the album, are dance/EDM pop songs with huge instrumental drops aka what was popular in 2011/2012  ANTI, as good as it is, hopped on the dancehall trend partially and had super producers like Travis Scott

 

No, Rihanna did not set the R&B influenced pop sound of the mid-to-late 00s (GGGB). No, Rihanna did not set the dance trend of the 10s (Loud, TTT singles, Unapologetic). No, Rihanna did not set the Sia trend (Diamonds). She literally ran back to trendy Stargate dance pop with Loud after Rated R massively underperformed  

 

Rihanna was a beautiful girl who was very marketable, but had little to no musical ability. Her charisma is partially what sold her - and the other parts were the super producers and amazing A&R/machine behind her with the yearly releases 

[WildHeart]

1 hour ago, Negev said:

Where I'm from Taylor Swift is not a name that comes up ever, in any circumstance. And there'd been news stories about Bebe Rexha getting hit in the face and Beyoncé's Renaissance tour most recently. In Britney's context, she was here in 2016 for one of her biggest shows ever and there'd been news about her conservatorship as it came out. 

And which country is that 

[leyaris11]

6 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said:

And which country is that 

Israel? 

[dirrtydiana]

4 hours ago, 1989 said:

In 2023, Drake, Bad Bunny, and Ed Sheeran are not on the same level as Taylor. She can’t “have done all that but more on their level” when they literally aren’t doing the things she is.  Bad Bunny and Ed have NOT experienced the same tour momentum as Taylor has, and Drake’s last few projects largely came and went by his standards. ATRL loves to laugh about Swifties and numbers, but the reality is numbers don’t lie. They do, however, show that Taylor has blown past all three. You cannot claim that Bad Bunny and Ed have enjoyed the same tour boost and demand as Taylor when there is proof they simply have not. 

“In 2023” is your defense? Really? Because that erases what they did? That must mean what Adele did in 2015 doesn’t count either anymore. But in taylorland 2023 will count for her forever. Get a grip. And like I said, bad bunny is way more impressive because he did it on one album and not like 11 like tay and with little to no English, the “numbers don’t lie.” 🤷‍♀️ Well then just ignore them and go to the show and enjoy her success, babe.

[spree]

apples to oranges

 

using the Eras Tour against Britney when album sales were at its peak and nobody was touring is just...   If we're talking about who was at the tip of everyone's mouths the most, it's obviously Britney.  Unless you're saying Anti-Hero is on the same level as BOMT. 

[Axelios]

2 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said:

“In 2023” is your defense? Really? Because that erases what they did? That must mean what Adele did in 2015 doesn’t count either anymore. But in taylorland 2023 will count for her forever. Get a grip. And like I said, bad bunny is way more impressive because he did it on one album and not like 11 like tay and with little to no English, the “numbers don’t lie.” 🤷‍♀️ Well then just ignore them and go to the show and enjoy her success, babe.

Adele, Ed and Drake most recent releases aren't close to the succes of Taylor's. Bad Bunny last tour isn't close to Taylor's success. 

Overall Taylor surpasses all these artists in 2022 and 2023 and that's not even taking into the fact that she had a much longer and successfull career (massive succes since 2006).

Edited June 27, 2023 by Axelios

[Axelios]

1 minute ago, spree said:

apples to oranges

 

using the Eras Tour against Britney when album sales were at its peak and nobody was touring is just...   If we're talking about who was at the tip of everyone's mouths the most, it's obviously Britney.  Unless you're saying Anti-Hero is on the same level as BOMT. 

Objectively Britney wasn't the biggest artist of her time during her peak. Taylor is.

[Sazare]

2 minutes ago, Axelios said:

Objectively Britney wasn't the biggest artist of her time during her peak. Taylor is.

Objectively Britney was the biggest celebrity of her time during her peak. Which isn’t the same thing as being the biggest artist, it’s true. But Britney was an absolute phenomenon, to the point where her music was practically tertiary.

[dirrtydiana]

5 minutes ago, Axelios said:

Objectively Britney wasn't the biggest artist of her time during her peak. Taylor is.

That still doesn’t make tay “in 2023” bigger than Britney in 2003 🤷‍♀️ 

[spree]

5 minutes ago, Axelios said:

Objectively Britney wasn't the biggest artist of her time during her peak. Taylor is.

that's cuz today's Gen Z artists ... suck.

 

look at artists today compared to who was around in 1999.  It's lightyears of contrast.