Bigger: Britney in 1999-2000 vs Taylor in 2022-2023?

[smartalek22]

Right lets get this straight, honestly surprised by the exact 50/50 vote in this thread but I fear Britney’s success is being majorly overestimated here

Whilst Taylor never had the 2 massive hits Britney did in this time, the albums are still way more known and memorable than Britneys albums, which honestly apart from a few songs sounds extremely dated and somewhat unpleasant.

I would say Taylor is bigger and I dont even like her that much 

[TheRealGâteau]

6 hours ago, Axelios said:

Stop lying, she is 8th and behind three other women 

https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/artists-of-the-decade-266420/

 

B-b-b-ut, she's the Madonna and MJ of her time!!

 

 

 

[Trent W]

It’s definitely still Britney

 

But Taylor is now close second
 

Taylormania is real and the fact that is 18 years into her career is insane

[naval23]

4 hours ago, Disconnect said:

That was back when neither digital songs nor streaming existed...

 

Also, remember Taylor sold around 11M PURE sales of 1989 in 2014-2015? Yep.

11M being the key word 

[supertiffany]

5 hours ago, dirrtydiana said:

BOMT was the only single released physically so that’s false and the song was on heavy rotation on radio and the video on mtv. Were people “forced” to tune in as well?

 

Another example is boys, which was like the 5th single that era was streamed a record breaking (at the time) over 1M times in like a weekend. People already had the album and the video played regularly on mtv. Were they forced to log onto aol to stream it as well?

 

 

@SharonStone girl the term “she was inescapable” refers to outside of charts, you know, in the real world  

 

her videos were everywhere, she was in commercials, her face was everywhere in stores and no I don’t mean tabloids, I mean Barbies, milk, tennis shoes. She was on SNL, her name used in smash hits, doing interviews, making cameos in tv shows and movies, or mentioned without appearing, people at work and school talked about her like Pokémon mania, and I could go on and on. And who cares about an Abc special when she brought the ratings everywhere else and people to the onyx?

Your post really saddens me :(

 

 

this.

 

Britney was really a worldwide phenomenon, the closest after is Gaga

 

chart-wise Taylor might be smashing but the biggest girl chart-wise is Adele so

[wastedpotential]

51 minutes ago, supertiffany said:

 

 

this.

 

Britney was really a worldwide phenomenon, the closest after is Gaga

 

chart-wise Taylor might be smashing but the biggest girl chart-wise is Adele so

Pray tell, where exactly is Adele charting right now? I guess 21 has been floating around the 190-200 range of the Billboard 200 for the last month or so, but that's hardly comparable. Unless you're defining biggest as one's physical size, which I don't think is fair or kind to Adele either. In the next few weeks, Taylor will sell out dozens of stadiums on every inhabited continent but Africa, all on one tour. That sounds like the perfect definition of worldwide phenomenon to me. When has Britney (let alone Gaga or Adele) ever been capable of that. Britney is excellent at selling out tabloids on the shelves by the supermarket checkout lanes, but when it comes to actual tangible metrics of being a worldwide phenomenon, Taylor clears with ease. 

 

I thought you swore off all Taylor threads after 30 bombed into oblivion and was then curb-stomped by Midnights? What made you change your mind? 

[Xtianlofbritney]

9 minutes ago, wastedpotential said:

Pray tell, where exactly is Adele charting right now? I guess 21 has been floating around the 190-200 range of the Billboard 200 for the last month or so, but that's hardly comparable. Unless you're defining biggest as one's physical size, which I don't think is fair or kind to Adele either. In the next few weeks, Taylor will sell out dozens of stadiums on every inhabited continent but Africa, all on one tour. That sounds like the perfect definition of worldwide phenomenon to me. When has Britney (let alone Gaga or Adele) ever been capable of that. Britney is excellent at selling out tabloids on the shelves by the supermarket checkout lanes, but when it comes to actual tangible metrics of being a worldwide phenomenon, Taylor clears with ease. 

 

I thought you swore off all Taylor threads after 30 bombed into oblivion and was then curb-stomped by Midnights? What made you change your mind? 

You forgot the 100M albums sold

[Eternium]

4 hours ago, smartalek22 said:

Right lets get this straight, honestly surprised by the exact 50/50 vote in this thread but I fear Britney’s success is being majorly overestimated here

Whilst Taylor never had the 2 massive hits Britney did in this time, the albums are still way more known and memorable than Britneys albums, which honestly apart from a few songs sounds extremely dated and somewhat unpleasant.

I would say Taylor is bigger and I dont even like her that much 

If everyone is such a fan, why is Taylor Swift still padding her numbers using Spotify payola? Since there’s so much public interest, why does she need to use Discovery Mode to inflate her numbers at the expense of her royalty rates?

 

OT: Britney was moving 20M+ albums a year and she didn’t need payola to do it. Taylor’s albums this year won’t even end up outselling Stray Kidz  

[1989]

7 hours ago, dirrtydiana said:

her videos were everywhere, she was in commercials, her face was everywhere in stores and no I don’t mean tabloids, I mean Barbies, milk, tennis shoes. She was on SNL, her name used in smash hits, doing interviews, making cameos in tv shows and movies, or mentioned without appearing, people at work and school talked about her like Pokémon mania, and I could go on and on. And who cares about an Abc special when she brought the ratings everywhere else and people to the onyx?

Taylor is also in commercials, magazines are a dying breed but she still lands on the covers, there have been Taylor Barbies, she’s been on/hosted SNL, etc. I could go on and on as well. She’s literally doing or has done nearly all of the same things. And I’d say Taylor is “bringing the people” as well, considering 14 million of them attempted to get tickets upon The Eras Tour’s first announcement. 
 

It’s actually more impressive that Taylor has somehow managed to have such a hold on people since about 2008, given how monoculture has all but died out since then. Outside of social media, it’s much easier these days to ignore what you don’t like or don’t want to consume, yet people are actively choosing Taylor, and in a way that we haven’t seen in decades. 

[Namie-Knowles]

The poll lmaoo

[The Music Industry]

14 minutes ago, Eternium said:

OT: Britney was moving 20M+ albums a year and she didn’t need payola to do it.

And Taylor will move more than 20M units this year, factually more than Britney at any point of her career. She already did it in 2022, moving 23M units, and she's well on her way to do even more than last year. No amount of kicking and screaming from you about supposed "payola!111!!" will change it either. Learn to cope already. Imagine how tired we are of your very weak and easily disproven excuses simply because you're bitter Taylor surpassed Britney. 

 

20 minutes ago, Eternium said:

Taylor’s albums this year won’t even end up outselling Stray Kidz  

Huh...? I'm guessing you're talking about pure sales only (how fitting for a Britney stan living in the past), but in the real world, Taylor will move more units this year alone than Stray Kids' entire discography units combined since they debuted in 2017. Goodness, get some self-awareness.

[Power love]

11 hours ago, dirrtydiana said:

She was literally billboards the biggest female of the decade in 2010 only second to him, biggest male. Without counting their 90s sales. They’re literally the MJ and Madonna of our time 

 

10 hours ago, Axelios said:

Stop lying, she is 8th and behind three other women 

https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/artists-of-the-decade-266420/

 

This user is always lying

 

 Expose ha!

[Antikythera]

Taylor has the commercial and critical acclaim.

 

Britney was the ultimate performer. Maybe the last one. 

[HappierJealousy]

 

2 hours ago, Eternium said:

If everyone is such a fan, why is Taylor Swift still padding her numbers using Spotify payola? Since there’s so much public interest, why does she need to use Discovery Mode to inflate her numbers at the expense of her royalty rates?

 

OT: Britney was moving 20M+ albums a year and she didn’t need payola to do it. Taylor’s albums this year won’t even end up outselling Stray Kidz  

Taylor is moving 25M+ albums units, as well as 1 billion+ tour gross, winning a Grammy, scoring a year-end top 5 solo hit in 2023

Poor Britney and her delusional stan can only wish

Edited June 27, 2023 by HappierJealousy

[Johnny Cash]

Taylor obviously, and it's more impressive that she accomplished it in the current climate. If you only count tabloids maybe Britney wins though.

 

Congrats to the Swifties who can experience this phenomenon now as it is happening. The only thing some others have is memories from 25 years ago, or they have to settle for documentaries that exaggerate everything

[Maleficent]

Taylor Swift is not, has never been, and will never be a bigger celebrity than Britney in those years. People can angrily quote me with "millennial gays!" or some vaguely homophobic insult about poppers, but it won't change a thing.

[WokeEqualist]

Love both but I think Taylor writing her own music almost entirely by herself makes her way more passionate about her career in general which has allowed her to reach heights Britney didn't quite get to experience despite being a huge popstar back then due to always having a more controlled career and being less involved in her artistry, which ultimately led to her becoming less interested in her career and declining in popularity

Edited June 27, 2023 by WokeEqualist

[toxicgenie]

Popularity wise it's Britney, she was everywhere. Taylor is the biggest name now though.

Britney also faced stronger competition from DC/Bey, Xtina, Pink, Mariah, Alicia, Avril, Gwen, Nelly, etc.

Who's competing with Taylor now? It feels like only Miley released an album/era recently.

So yeah times are different, how music is consumed has changed, and most MPGs are also less competitive. 

 

[HappierJealousy]

17 minutes ago, Maleficent said:

Taylor Swift is not, has never been, and will never be a bigger celebrity than Britney in those years. People can angrily quote me with "millennial gays!" or some vaguely homophobic insult about poppers, but it won't change a thing.

Britney is not, has never been, and will never be a bigger artist than Taylor Swift in 2023. The biggest difference between you and me is that I can say this and People just can’t and don’t need to quote me and call me anything cause they just can’t deny the objective data which will never lieLet Miss Spears enjoy her “bigger celebrity” (which is a complete delusion as well but I will just give it to her otherwise she will be too poor) in 2000 while Miss Swift enjoy her IFPI top female artist throne for five consecutive year, her 1 billion+ tour gross and a Grammy in 2023. both queen I guess!

[dirrtydiana]

2 hours ago, 1989 said:

Taylor is also in commercials, magazines are a dying breed but she still lands on the covers, there have been Taylor Barbies, she’s been on/hosted SNL, etc. I could go on and on as well. She’s literally doing or has done nearly all of the same things. And I’d say Taylor is “bringing the people” as well, considering 14 million of them attempted to get tickets upon The Eras Tour’s first announcement. 
 

It’s actually more impressive that Taylor has somehow managed to have such a hold on people since about 2008, given how monoculture has all but died out since then. Outside of social media, it’s much easier these days to ignore what you don’t like or don’t want to consume, yet people are actively choosing Taylor, and in a way that we haven’t seen in decades. 

Let me guess. Since the Beatles right?

 

Yeah, she’s done all that but more on the drake, bad bunny level. In part it is because of the dying of monoculture but let’s not act like back then people couldn’t change channels, radio stations or simply not buy music. Or else xtina would also have close to 100M in sales.

 

it’s not that impressive when drake, bad bunny, Ed Sheeran are also reaping from the benefits the greats like MJ, Madonna, Janet, Bey and yes Britney, made available for everyone after.

[JayG]

Britney

[JayG]

2 hours ago, HappierJealousy said:

Britney is not, has never been, and will never be a bigger artist than Taylor Swift in 2023. The biggest difference between you and me is that I can say this and People just can’t and don’t need to quote me and call me anything cause they just can’t deny the objective data which will never lieLet Miss Spears enjoy her “bigger celebrity” (which is a complete delusion as well but I will just give it to her otherwise she will be too poor) in 2000 while Miss Swift enjoy her IFPI top female artist throne for five consecutive year, her 1 billion+ tour gross and a Grammy in 2023. both queen I guess!

Your fav, and everyone in her generation, stan Miss Spears. Britney was and will always be THE blueprint for all these pop girls. You can throw numbers and data and awards to try and prove your point, but it will never change the FACT that BRITNEY literally was POP music. She WAS the industry, and the industry NOW is because of her impact. Next.

[JayG]

2 hours ago, Maleficent said:

Taylor Swift is not, has never been, and will never be a bigger celebrity than Britney in those years. People can angrily quote me with "millennial gays!" or some vaguely homophobic insult about poppers, but it won't change a thing.

Yep. Period. A better and versatile artist too. Britney was truly Madonnas successor, nobody else but Rihanna after her has innovated, evolved and reinvented themsevles across albums and genres.

Edited June 27, 2023 by JayG

[Pleighboy]

On 6/25/2023 at 12:42 PM, DoubleRainbow! said:

This, she just felt bigger

everyone wants to attend Taylor’s concert, that’s true but Britney was literally EVERYWHERE 

Define everyone because I wouldn’t go for free. 

[JayG]

1 minute ago, Pleighboy said:

Define everyone because I wouldn’t go for free. 

Same lmao