Bigger: Britney in 1999-2000 vs Taylor in 2022-2023?

[Axelios]

5 minutes ago, brazil said:

That's thanks exclusively to streaming that didn't exist back then. Also Britney had 2 albums  and less than 30 songs out by 2000 vs Taylor who has around 500 songs out. This whole comparison is ludicrous.

And Britney album sales are due to the peak of album sales in 2000. A BOMT sized album wouldn't sell nearly as much in 2023 with streaming. 

But yes it's important to point out that the reason why Taylor is bigger today is because she managed to build upon her success and catalogue for 16 years. Not everyone has that 

Edited June 26, 2023 by Axelios

[Pheromosa]

It’s Britney.

With the way culture/society functions nowadays, nothing can compare 

[littlebodybigheart]

2 minutes ago, brazil said:

Also, Taylor havent even produced a proper hit since 2015. BOMT and Oops are both pop culture staples. 

“taylor hasn’t produced a proper hit since 2015” and then proceeds to name 2 songs from the ice age to make a point

 

and the fact that anti-hero is bigger than any britney song past toxic…the jokes really are writing themselves.

[Axelios]

3 minutes ago, brazil said:

Also, Taylor havent even produced a proper hit since 2015. BOMT and Oops are both pop culture staples. 

By these standards Britney has like 4 hits during her whole career 

[brazil]

1 minute ago, littlebodybigheart said:

“taylor hasn’t produced a proper hit since 2015” and then proceeds to name 2 songs from the ice age to make a point

 

and the fact that anti-hero is bigger than any britney song past toxic…the jokes really are writing themselves.

[Axelios]

1 minute ago, brazil said:

You're the delusional one if you think "hits" like HIAM or Work ***** are bigger than Anti Hero or even I Don't Wanna Live Forever.

[bad guy]

13 minutes ago, brazil said:

Also, Taylor havent even produced a proper hit since 2015. BOMT and Oops are both pop culture staples. 

If Anti-Hero isn’t a hit then what does that make Britney’s singles post-2003?

 

[The Music Industry]

9 minutes ago, brazil said:

Ok, so out of all her albums post-Toxic/In The Zone, which Britney song is bigger than Anti-Hero then? Don't be shy, name them

[RajibDavid]

Taylor by far.

[ttsmu]

Taylor doesn't have any classic and timeless songs like Baby One More Time, Oops I Did It Again or Toxic.

 

 

 

[Planet Mars]

Objectively it's Taylor.

 

Britney was a HUGE deal obviously, but in that era, Backstreetboys, Eminem and NSYNC* (stateside) were pulling numbers just as big as she was. 

 

Taylor is a stand out today. In sales, streaming, touring, she's in her own league. She isn't even wiping the floor with her competition at this point, they literally don't exist to her.

 

Looking at things objectively, Taylor Swift is bigger today than Britney was from '99 to '00.

Edited June 26, 2023 by Planet Mars

[CottageHore]

I was maybe one yr old during Britney’s peak so I can’t compare the two and I know nothing about how stats compare because idgaf but Taylor seems so unprecedentedly big. This Eras Tour is next level with how ubiquitous it is. So Taylor? 

Edited June 26, 2023 by CottageHore

[Xtianlofbritney]

4 minutes ago, CottageHore said:

I was maybe one yr old during Britney’s peak so I can’t compare the two and I know nothing about how stats compare because idgaf but Taylor seems so unprecedentedly big. This Eras Tour is next level with how ubiquitous it is. So Taylor? 

Ohh you missed a fantastic era for pop music. It was amazing! And so fun to watch every award show, every MV premiere, it was an event. Fun times

[Monster Queen]

Taylor by far. Jesus Britney is not even the biggest act in the early 2000s, Eminem literally destroyed her in every metric, she only has those social media hype

Taylor is IFPI 2022 top artist and will for sure be locked for 2023

Needless to say she is currently on the female biggest tour ever, even the biggest tour for any artist

 

41 minutes ago, brazil said:

Anti-Hero is a solo year-end top 5 smash hit, which Britney song post Toxic (or even before Toxic except for her debut single)  has reached this?

Britney stans really need to stop being delusional and look at the stats which is the most objective thing

Edited June 26, 2023 by Monster Queen

[Beautiful Garbage]

Is this the biggest Taylor has ever gotten? I actually feel like she peaked around her 1989 Era.

 

Anyway, it's hard to compare. I see a lot of people here making a case for Britney by saying that if Spotify had been around during her heydays she would've been just as big or perhaps even bigger than Taylor is today. Now who's to say that if Taylor had been around in the late 90s/early 00s she wouldn't have sold just as many albums or perhaps even more than Britney did? We cannot assume things based on shoulda/coulda/woulda. Let's face facts here.

 

I get people also making a case that Britney felt omnipresent during her heyday, though we should consider that the media landscape has changed drastically since then. Yes, Britney was all the time on TV, on the radio and on the cover of magazines. You couldn't escape her. Surely everyone knew her. Now these days people rarely use traditional media outlets anymore. Taylor won't be on TV all the time because there's no need to focus on promoting her on something her core audience will barely catch a glimpse of. Now if you go on the internet, she'll be there. Her presence is known in every single website or social media app you decide to browse on. So yeah, in a different way Taylor has also been everywhere in the online world. 

 

Taylor has also faced drastic changes and even some adversities along the way. The whole masters situation could've gone terribly bad for her. The whole switch from country star to full-time popstar could've backfired. Her career has just been mysteriously way more consistent and she isn't showing any sign of slowing down. Taylor's career is certainly one of a kind that I personally have never seen before.

 

So, putting timelines aside, I feel Taylor's been bigger than Britney by now just because she's proving to be the most popular star for well over a decade now. And this is coming from someone who doesn't really use much of her stuff apart from one song or two but I find it crazy the gigantic appeal her name still holds. 

[dirrtydiana]

13 hours ago, Popboi. said:

- MJ was not alive when Taylor made her switch to pop, how is that even relevant.

- Taylor writes her own songs, she doesn't need another's rejects.

- Midnights literally surpassed Oops' first week.

- No label can really get a Taylor, they all bid for her until Republic offered her masters ownership and a record breaking $100m+ deal for just 3 albums. She's not an expendable archetype that can be replicated by... Jessica Simpson and co.

-Madonna is 

-so does Olivia Rodrigo.. this isn’t the flex you think it is

-it took her five tries and without streaming, million releases re-recordings and the half a million vinyls, she would’ve done like 700k which is still massive 

-Janet got the $100M record deal in 93 so that’s already seen and done

 

10 hours ago, Axelios said:

Ed is also bigger than Britney

Oh my

 

2 hours ago, Axelios said:

And Britney album sales are due to the peak of album sales in 2000. A BOMT sized album wouldn't sell nearly as much in 2023 with streaming. 

But yes it's important to point out that the reason why Taylor is bigger today is because she managed to build upon her success and catalogue for 16 years. Not everyone has that 

the cd sales peak is such an absurd thing to use against Britney. Where are the other girls two or even one diamond albums ma? Britney is the Adele of her time. Think a little.

[leyaris11]

1 hour ago, Monster Queen said:

Taylor by far. Jesus Britney is not even the biggest act in the early 2000s, Eminem literally destroyed her in every metric, she only has those social media hype

Taylor is IFPI 2022 top artist and will for sure be locked for 2023

Needless to say she is currently on the female biggest tour ever, even the biggest tour for any artist

 

Anti-Hero is a solo year-end top 5 smash hit, which Britney song post Toxic (or even before Toxic except for her debut single)  has reached this?

Britney stans really need to stop being delusional and look at the stats which is the most objective thing

What is the social media hype in early 2000s....???  You clearly have no idea what are you talking about sis. 

[Inhwan]

21 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said:

-Madonna is 

-so does Olivia Rodrigo.. this isn’t the flex you think it is

-it took her five tries and without streaming, million releases re-recordings and the half a million vinyls, she would’ve done like 700k which is still massive 

-Janet got the $100M record deal in 93 so that’s already seen and done

 

Oh my

 

the cd sales peak is such an absurd thing to use against Britney. Where are the other girls two or even one diamond albums ma? Britney is the Adele of her time. Think a little.

I think Britney was like Gaga type of peak. She's not Adele of her generation when Celine or Shania sold more than her just a few years ago. But it is true that she was not enscapable and hugely impactful.

Edited June 26, 2023 by Inhwan

[leyaris11]

2 minutes ago, Inhwan said:

I think Britney was like Gaga type of peak. She's not Adele of her generation when Celine or Shania sold more than her just a few years ago. But it is true that she was not enscapable and hugely impactful.

[Richie]

Britney Spears.

 

[Inhwan]

6 minutes ago, leyaris11 said:

I was her generation.. she was the biggest one among her female ones but she didnt feel bigger than BSB or Eminem.. at that time.(at best they were equal) i think stats will prove it.

Edited June 26, 2023 by Inhwan

[Axelios]

28 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said:

the cd sales peak is such an absurd thing to use against Britney. Where are the other girls two or even one diamond albums ma? Britney is the Adele of her time. Think a little.

The streaming thing is such an absurd thing to use against Taylor, where are the other acts selling more than 20 million units for several years?

 

And not Britney peak being compared to Adele when she was outsold by Eminem while noone was close to Adele during her peak 

[dirrtydiana]

2 hours ago, Monster Queen said:

Taylor by far. Jesus Britney is not even the biggest act in the early 2000s, Eminem literally destroyed her in every metric, she only has those social media hype

She was literally billboards the biggest female of the decade in 2010 only second to him, biggest male. Without counting their 90s sales. They’re literally the MJ and Madonna of our time 

 

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britey stans should be proud because britney, w a dead career she has atm, is still being compared to big artists or even legends.

taylor takes this one methinks

 

 

14 hours ago, fromily said:

I agree that britney stans should be proud that, despite a relatively short peak followed by decades of... issues, she is still considered one of the greats and is STILL generating all of this conversation 

 

I know this is backhanded but you’re right. And she did it with just 2 albums like Adele as opposed to 18 

[leyaris11]

1 minute ago, Axelios said:

The streaming thing is such an absurd thing to use against Taylor, where are the other acts selling more than 20 million units for several years?

 

And not Britney peak being compared to Adele when she was outsold by Eminem while noone was close to Adele during her peak 

All of your debate is all about sales and streaming stats... It's getting boring now, sis. 

[Axelios]

5 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said:

She was literally billboards the biggest female of the decade in 2010 only second to him, biggest male. Without counting their 90s sales. They’re literally the MJ and Madonna of our time 

Stop lying, she is 8th and behind three other women 

https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/artists-of-the-decade-266420/