Bigger: Britney in 1999-2000 vs Taylor in 2022-2023?

[Rabbit]

17 hours ago, byzantium said:

Celine 1996-1998 >>> every other MPG peak.  
 

For the original question,  we have lost the monoculture largely in 2023.  As a result people are able to more or less pick an choose what they engage with.  People that want to engage with Taylor’s art can dive into that whole world and people who care less can basically ignore it all.  
 

This was not the case for Britney.  Any big star was pushed in front of everyone regardless of whether they wanted to engage.  
 

Thus I think Taylor’s peak is able to have more commercial success without flying to close to the sun while Britney peak involved more cultural omnipresence. 

This succinct articulate read

 

I think Taylor edges Britney out due to the sheer force of her numbers right now but Britney felt more of a cultural milestone

[leyaris11]

7 hours ago, liam13 said:

on the other hand, britney has not and will never have a tour half as huge as the eras tour, let alone matching worldwide impacts and legacies but i guess its not fair for her in this comparison

Not so soon, sis. We just have to wait and see. 

 

 

[liam13]

3 minutes ago, leyaris11 said:

Not so soon, sis. We just have to wait and see. 

maybe when she resides 400+ dates in vegas

[leyaris11]

7 minutes ago, liam13 said:

maybe when she resides 400+ dates in vegas

Sis, you're trolling now and it ain't cute. 

[Badgalbriel]

6 minutes ago, leyaris11 said:

Sis, you're trolling now and it ain't cute. 

It's just reality 

[liquiddiamonds]

Taylor is on her way to join The Beatles and Michael as the most successful female solo act ever. She will surpass Madonna unless she crashes and burn and there’s no such sign of it. These people were all bigger than Britney, so automatically that puts Taylor above Brit. Taylor is about to have multiple diamond albums in the long run, some of hers are verging on 7 to 8 times platinum. She already has two just as Britney. 
 

I don’t understand whats the issue with accepting that a pop girl is having a bigger and longer peak… Brit had a great run, but it’s not ongoing, whereas Taylor is. The only argument against Taylor was the local allegations that she has beaten with Midnights and the Eras tour. She’s global af.

 

BTW answering the comments that every label wanted their own Britney: as if Olivia and dozens of others are not other labels trying to have their own Taylor Swift. Credit where is due, she shifted the industry conception of the teen lolita to teen heartache and songwriting relatability. She shifted the industry from Britney. Most of the recent teen pop breakthroughs are Taylor-like and nothing like Britney. It’s been years that people that follow the Britney-print of a popstar are not taking off 

Edited June 26, 2023 by liquiddiamonds

[Solaria]

14 hours ago, Miss Show Business said:

The way this website constantly downplays Britney's legacy and success is quite maddening sometimes. I've said before that if Spotify existed in 1998/99, Britney's stats would far overshadow Taylor and lots of others. Taylor is indeed popular and always sells well and does well on streaming, but it's not comparable to what Britney was selling as a teenager in 1999. Nobody was just selling 12 million albums in a calendar year like it was nothing, even in those days when sales were much higher, and especially not 17 year olds. Britney also had career setbacks and personal difficulties Taylor had the luxury of avoiding - which makes comparisons like these rather unfair and unbalanced.

Mhm. This is a very nuanced take that people fail to understand. We don't know what Britney's career would have looked like if it wasn't for certain things that were out of her control. It's not a fair comparison indeed and it's only used to turn every thread into a ''lets bash Britney'' thread 

[Axelios]

5 minutes ago, Love Again said:

Mhm. This is a very nuanced take that people fail to understand. We don't know what Britney's career would have looked like if it wasn't for certain things that were out of her control. It's not a fair comparison indeed and it's only used to turn every thread into a ''lets bash Britney'' thread 

Britney was already declining hard by her third album.  It's very unlikely that she would have had Taylor longevity even without personal difficulties.

[DiamondHeart]

I'm old enough to have lived Britney's peak - she was everywhere and everyone was talking about her! The princess of pop indeed. But the culture is now different, as pointed out, so it's not fair nor easy to compare different decades. But still, it's Britney to me. 

[corotinho]

I could say that Britney's peak was louder. But Taylor is moving more people than Britney did in 2000.

 

I voted for Britney but after reading some coments, now i think it's Taylor, thanks to The Eras Tour. She's playing a STADIUM TOUR worldwide, Britney never did something like that.

 

We also can't forget that Taylor is on internet era, while Britney wasn't in her peak. It's easier to have more fans now than in 2000.

[Aethereal]

Britney 99-01> Taylor 12-15>Taylor 21-23 

[Aethereal]

BOMT>OIDIA>1989> other Taylor's eras.

 

It's a statistical fact.

[brazil]

11 hours ago, suburbannature said:

This I agree with. She may have been a traditional/stereotypical "label puppet" in how they guided her career but it still took her charm, dancing, and unique voice to make her a star.

Label puppet itself is a misread. The idea of the BOMT MV was in itself hers and it was what allowed her to be shot to stardom. Vs. her labels idea of having her fighting a cartoon monster

[brazil]

Why swifties keep saying Taylor is more commercially successful now  than Britney back then, when Midnights is nowhere CLOSE to BOMT or Oops numbers? 

Edited June 26, 2023 by brazil

[Axelios]

6 minutes ago, brazil said:

Why swifties keep saying Taylor is more commercially successful now  than Britney back then, when Midnights is nowhere CLOSE to BOMT or Oops numbers? 

Because Taylor is moving more units yearly than Britney if you count her whole catalogue. She is also doing one of the biggest tours of all time this year while Britney was never close to that level.

Edited June 26, 2023 by Axelios

[Chris]

Again Britney didn't have the benefit and luxury of Spotify back in 2000-2002.

 

[wastedpotential]

1 hour ago, Aristotle said:

BOMT>OIDIA>1989> other Taylor's eras.

 

It's a statistical fact.

Now what statistics are these? Chartmasters figures? 

[Axelios]

1 minute ago, Chris said:

Again Britney didn't have the benefit and luxury of Spotify back in 2000-2002.

 

She had the benefit of the peak of album sales. Even when adding streaming units, albums sold much more in 1999/2000 than in 2022/2023. Midnights sales are particularly impressive for today standards.

[brazil]

7 minutes ago, Axelios said:

Because Taylor is moving more units yearly than Britney if you count her whole catalogue. She is also doing one of the biggest tours of all time this year while Britney was never close to that level.

That's thanks exclusively to streaming that didn't exist back then. Also Britney had 2 albums  and less than 30 songs out by 2000 vs Taylor who has around 500 songs out. This whole comparison is ludicrous.

 

I knew swifities had slow cognitive functions, but think a bit, will ya.

[Popboi.]

2 minutes ago, wastedpotential said:

Now what statistics are these? Chartmasters figures? 

Probably chartmasters figures where they COMPLETELY ignore a vast percentage of Taylor’s numbers come from 2021-2023 despite the albums coming out way earlier, or ignoring Britney’s is the same case (BOMT and Oops sold that much after decades, not in those 3 years).

[Popboi.]

1 minute ago, brazil said:

That's thanks exclusively to streaming that didn't exist back then. Also Britney had 2 albums  and less than 30 songs out by 2000 vs Taylor who has around 500 songs out. This whole comparison is ludicrous.

 

I knew swifities had slow cognitive functions, but think a bit, will ya.

People were not that invested on those 20 songs after the teen pop phase was over, what makes you think they would’ve cared for more.

[brazil]

Also, Taylor havent even produced a proper hit since 2015. BOMT and Oops are both pop culture staples. 

[Aethereal]

7 minutes ago, wastedpotential said:

Now what statistics are these? Chartmasters figures? 

You wanna use pure sales instead sure go for it.

[wastedpotential]

Just now, brazil said:

Also, Taylor havent even produced a proper hit since 2015. BOMT and Oops are both pop culture staples. 

Now sis 

 

You might be a little slow on the uptake here but lets not pretend that Anti-Hero isn't a "proper" hit, or that Cruel Summer isn't well on its way at this point 

[Popboi.]

Just now, Aristotle said:

You wanna use pure sales instead sure go for it.

It’s 2023.