Miles. Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 6 hours ago, Cbreezy said: I hear you, but I've always had a slight issue with this stance. "X artist can do whatever they want. Enjoy the music" I've followed enough artists, campaigns, and career trajectories over time to know that there is a direct relationship between commercial success and the artist's long-term viability of even releasing music. So many mid-tier and (dare I say) flop artists ultimately cease releasing music, stick to other ventures, and end up with years of musical silence. Why? Because there has to be a commercial return on investment. Not just for any label, but also for the artist (e.g. pouring in time, money, connections, etc ought to have some kind of ROI to make it worth it). In Rita's case, pouring her all into music has to have an end-goal result that makes it worthwhile. So, if (as has been the case) she can't get a hit single, then decent album sales and a tour are a must to justify the investment of time and $$$. If it gets to a point where it's flop singles, flop album sales, and no tour, it'll beg the question of "what is the actual point?". Given how much she makes from other stuff, I legit think this is a question she's probably pondering now already. Have seen time in and time out: after realizing the music isn't moving the needle, the artist goes into TV or some other venture and fans are screaming in confusion as to why there's "no album". The unavoidable answer is because it's NOT just about the music. Never was and never will be. It's the music...business. "Business" being the key term. Really rooting for Rita and one thing is for sure: she hustles hard. So even if the album flops and she's deterred from doing another anytime soon, then I hope she can keep her musical flame burning with DJ collabs etc. This is really well-said Another really solid track from Rita! Love how consistent she is 1
YoungDreamer Posted June 30, 2023 Author Posted June 30, 2023 #29 on UK iTunes Other countries: #9 United Arab Emirates #24 Portugal #31 Belgium #42 Taiwan #51 Austria #65 Australia #68 Netherlands #109 Germany #191 Mexico
sam.teas Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 (edited) Come on Rita! You can make this one a hit! Edited June 30, 2023 by sam.teas
prézli Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 6 hours ago, SomeGirl said: Ultimately, Rita’s team has always been good at getting her brand and TV deals, but terrible at managing her music career. It's not like that. I mean, she has a great personality (she was called Rihanna 2.0 before she debuted), and I think she has the total package to be a star. BUT her music is the opposite of this. Generic and bland. She debuted with R.I.P. which was a Rihanna reject, How We Do (Party) sounded like a Katy Perry/Jessie J ripoff. Her debut album was a mess. Phoenix was more cohesive, but it still lacked an image. She improved as a performer and recorded her best songs during this era (For You was saved by her because that Liam guy is the most boring person in the world), BUT her songs could be performed by any other artist. We still don't know who she is through her music.
PaschalIkeh Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 Rita actually makes really good pop music. Y’all just don’t rate her. The funny thing is the real world doesn’t care about all these think pieces y’all are writing about her music being “generic” (y’all say this about almost every pop girl) those who would enjoy it would, and those who wouldn’t, wouldn’t and that’s fine. So there’s really no point because I noticed lots of y’all are not pop enthusiasts like you claim to be. And also the obsession with charts needs to stop because it’s really ridiculous. I don’t care if it charts or not I will be here to enjoy the album when it comes out 5
PaschalIkeh Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 And also her moving to BMG is a very smart move. Rita has achieved a lot in a short while considering all she’s being through (10+ billion streams with just 2 albums, she’s HUGE in europe, the British solo female artiste with the most top 10 singles on the chart (13 top 10’s) and many other achievements) she achieved all these with little help from the industry that treated her unfairly. I HATE how y’all call her a “flop” because she’s truly not if we’re being honest. She feels contented with her success and now gets to make the music she loves with a label that’ll provide her total freedom plus her owning complete creative control and her masters (very good move). now she’s focus on building a more dedicated fanbase with more music to released in future/touring.
Nashe Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 12 minutes ago, PaschalIkeh said: she’s HUGE in europe girl lol, she's not I love her to bits, but even I wouldn't dare to say this 1 1
PaschalIkeh Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 1 minute ago, Nashe said: girl lol, she's not I love her to bits, but even I wouldn't dare to say this suit yourself.
SomeGirl Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, prézli said: It's not like that. I mean, she has a great personality (she was called Rihanna 2.0 before she debuted), and I think she has the total package to be a star. BUT her music is the opposite of this. Generic and bland. She debuted with R.I.P. which was a Rihanna reject, How We Do (Party) sounded like a Katy Perry/Jessie J ripoff. Her debut album was a mess. Phoenix was more cohesive, but it still lacked an image. She improved as a performer and recorded her best songs during this era (For You was saved by her because that Liam guy is the most boring person in the world), BUT her songs could be performed by any other artist. We still don't know who she is through her music. Er so it is most definitely like that. Not sure how any of that is counter to my point. (Not that I agree with all of it). Edited June 30, 2023 by SomeGirl
prézli Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 32 minutes ago, SomeGirl said: Er so it is most definitely like that. Not sure how any of that is counter to my point. (Not that I agree with all of it). It's not about managing her music career. It's about her music.
reymiu Posted June 30, 2023 Posted June 30, 2023 13 hours ago, Cbreezy said: I hear you, but I've always had a slight issue with this stance. "X artist can do whatever they want. Enjoy the music" I've followed enough artists, campaigns, and career trajectories over time to know that there is a direct relationship between commercial success and the artist's long-term viability of even releasing music. So many mid-tier and (dare I say) flop artists ultimately cease releasing music, stick to other ventures, and end up with years of musical silence. Why? Because there has to be a commercial return on investment. Not just for any label, but also for the artist (e.g. pouring in time, money, connections, etc ought to have some kind of ROI to make it worth it). In Rita's case, pouring her all into music has to have an end-goal result that makes it worthwhile. So, if (as has been the case) she can't get a hit single, then decent album sales and a tour are a must to justify the investment of time and $$$. If it gets to a point where it's flop singles, flop album sales, and no tour, it'll beg the question of "what is the actual point?". Given how much she makes from other stuff, I legit think this is a question she's probably pondering now already. Have seen time in and time out: after realizing the music isn't moving the needle, the artist goes into TV or some other venture and fans are screaming in confusion as to why there's "no album". The unavoidable answer is because it's NOT just about the music. Never was and never will be. It's the music...business. "Business" being the key term. Really rooting for Rita and one thing is for sure: she hustles hard. So even if the album flops and she's deterred from doing another anytime soon, then I hope she can keep her musical flame burning with DJ collabs etc. You're 1 of my fave users here with posts like this one ! Re Rita : she hustles hard and makes more money elsewhere (TV, sponsorship etc) but music still gives her legitimacy . IMO she still needs music to keep her name somehow "prestigious" / more serious rather than just a regular influencer / TV personality It will never happen but a Calvin Harris x Rita Ora collab will be so great 1
YoungDreamer Posted June 30, 2023 Author Posted June 30, 2023 30 minutes ago, prézli said: It's not about managing her music career. It's about her music. Eh there's tons of basic popstars out there with way more "my a&r picked these writing camp demos for my album" songs. If a song is good or bad is subjective to each one. Otherwise, if a song campaign is poorly managed it's a fact. She only failed to build a fanbase bc she took 6 years break between album 1 and 2 and then 5 years between album 2 and 3. I do agree creativity is important for an artistic perspective, but this is not the reason why she is where she is rn.
SomeGirl Posted July 1, 2023 Posted July 1, 2023 12 hours ago, prézli said: It's not about managing her music career. It's about her music. Like Gustavo said, there are plenty of “faceless” (I hate that word) UK pop stars that have been doing well…Anne Marie, Becky Hill, Mabel, etc etc. So yes, it is about the management of her career. And even if you think it’s just about her music…that’s something management is involved with too?? Managers also act as A&Rs and are involved with finding demos and setting up writing camps, getting in touch with other artists for features, etc etc. And of course are also involved with musical direction, finding creative directors, etc. So to go back to my original point, it’s especially an issue now that she no longer has a major label A&R as well because her team’s A&R is clearly ****. (It’s not really surprising she’s been doing lots of flop DJ collabs since that person used to work at Ultra). The only good thing that company has done in that department in all this time is “Hot Right Now”.
SomeGirl Posted July 1, 2023 Posted July 1, 2023 13 hours ago, reymiu said: It will never happen but a Calvin Harris x Rita Ora collab will be so great And it should never happen. Aside from him being a narcissist and a misogynist, still searching his name on Twitter and bringing up that situation after all these years… It’s amazing to see the way the UK, post-COVID and party-gates, still embraces an anti-vaxxer. 1
SomeGirl Posted July 1, 2023 Posted July 1, 2023 32 minutes ago, dangerousalex said: I think she'll retire as a singer after this era tbh https://twitter.com/ritaostreetteam/status/1674707052881498112?s=46&t=vOREFvaod5mODA_-Z7hNFA
Alex Posted July 1, 2023 Posted July 1, 2023 47 minutes ago, SomeGirl said: https://twitter.com/ritaostreetteam/status/1674707052881498112?s=46&t=vOREFvaod5mODA_-Z7hNFA well good on her tbh It's wild to think she's lost all the success and fanbase she could've gotten with the Phoenix era but determination will get her far.
Laura Palmer Posted July 1, 2023 Posted July 1, 2023 After bopping to this for a few days I couldn’t help but feel there was something familiar about this banger, and then I realised it reminded me of this; 1
reymiu Posted July 1, 2023 Posted July 1, 2023 1 hour ago, SomeGirl said: And it should never happen. Aside from him being a narcissist and a misogynist, still searching his name on Twitter and bringing up that situation after all these years… It’s amazing to see the way the UK, post-COVID and party-gates, still embraces an anti-vaxxer. Calvin's anti-vax ??? I have no idea ! I'm just saying that because Don't Think Twice's chorus lacks smth... And I feel like someone like Calvin Harris can improve the song further
reymiu Posted July 1, 2023 Posted July 1, 2023 While dance-pop is what she has most success and what her fans expect from her I personally think she should try to get more movie soundtrack ballads singles UK public love these movie soundtrack ballads: Ellie's LMLYD / How long... / Still falling for you etc... Ellie, Jessie J and Jessie Ware were the soundtrack queens a few years ago but they stopped now, and all UK girls are chasing dancepop - there is an empty market with potential Rita herself had success with these soundtrack ballads: For You & Carry On. She has the name, she has the vocal ability and she's committed to promoting the songs She doesn't need to release an AC album (her fans will not like it) but she should try to snatch more high-profile movie soundtrack singles (that might connect with general public) IMO 1
SomeGirl Posted July 1, 2023 Posted July 1, 2023 1 hour ago, Laura Palmer said: After bopping to this for a few days I couldn’t help but feel there was something familiar about this banger, and then I realised it reminded me of this; Which reminds of “I Will Survive”. Everyone is taking inspiration from the early pop/dance divas.
PaschalIkeh Posted July 1, 2023 Posted July 1, 2023 3 hours ago, dangerousalex said: I think she'll retire as a singer after this era tbh Lmao why would she? Because she’s not as successful as she was? She’s going to keep on making music whether it succeeds or not. Mind you she’s just 32 which is still very young. I really hate how y’all talk about pop stars like as if they’re old or something. Just because she’s not performing successfully as before doesn’t mean she’s quitting music. Most of y’all partake in that ageist bs already in the industry and it’s tiring. her major aim would be to keep releasing music and forging a more dedicated fanbase. I mean look at Carly rae jepsen or Jessie ware for example they are doing really well and many other pop stars who aren’t constantly on the charts.
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