byzantium Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 25 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said: Or maybe people don’t like being lied to and gaslit no one with a brain dares to deny the success but we fail to see how it has impacted our lives and how it’s been influential And there is the problem. Some people just do not understand that their personal experience is not the same experience for everyone and thus struggle to discuss objective situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirrtydiana Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 (edited) 22 minutes ago, greento said: in this case no tour has been influential cuz it hasn’t directly impacted our lives whatever that’s supposed to mean Realistically what are you expecting a tour to do that Taylor’s hasn’t done? It’s probably going to make more money than any tour ever, she performs for 3 hours, covering 44 songs, spanning 10 albums/eras each with different visuals, outfits, routines, governments are asking her to come to their country, it’s impacting the economy of every city it goes to in unprecedented ways, it’s garnering billions of views across social media, tickets selling out instantly, thousands of people listening from outside the sold out stadiums…. literally what else do you want to happen MJ, Madonna, beyonce tours have influenced performers endlessly. They changed the way people perform to this very day, broke through many doors as racial issues and made cultural impact. Even Britney’s us arena tour was the first to bring indoor rain (which I’m told inspired tay in one of her own tours). That’s influence. That’s impact. corrupt governments demanding the current hot seller to come to their country to pocket more money, is not impact. It’s not changing lives and stereotypes like a Bey show or MJ show everything you guys list only benefits people with money. Call me when she gets ticket master to get rid of fees, not make them public. Call me when people who go to her concert leave with reimbursements or a new ability gained from it OT: since 2020, yes with Ren tour but since 2013? No. Ever? Absolutely not Edited June 26, 2023 by dirrtydiana 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KillingYourCareer Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 Yes - but only because: the Monster Ball Tour happened more than a decade ago; the Lotus Tour never happened; impact isn't measured through a graduated scale. Ultimately, I agree with the general statement in this thread that a harpsichord performance of Should've Said No would be kick-ass! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirrtydiana Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 7 minutes ago, Artistofthedecade said: Her albums got big boost because the tour made millions of people discover her catalogue and stream it in the first place Ok? How does that help or impact us other than her and her company? Or are these new people checking out her music for the first time getting life changing experiences? 5 minutes ago, byzantium said: And there is the problem. Some people just do not understand that their personal experience is not the same experience for everyone and thus struggle to discuss objective situations. Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildHeart Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 4 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said: How does that help or impact us other than her and her company? It is impacting miilions of people hence why they are discovering her music? 4 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said: Or are these new people checking out her music for the first time getting life changing experiences? More than they see rain in a stadium for sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparkle Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 Not at all. Speaking strictly from my personal experience, the very existence of this tour has only been brought to light for me recently and I certainly wouldn't have heard about it if it weren't for swifties spamming ATRL with mentions of it. Cute numbers though, people were really craving for live concerts after covid and it's showing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirrtydiana Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 Just now, Artistofthedecade said: It is impacting miilions of people hence why they are discovering her music? More than they see rain in a stadium for sure Oh wow! I haven’t listened to her music since folklore and some TVs. Lemme go discover evermore and midnights and be “impacted” OT: since 2020, yes with Ren tour but since 2013? No. Ever? Absolutely not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Music Industry Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 9 minutes ago, KillingYourCareer said: the Lotus Tour never happened; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byzantium Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 9 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said: Exactly You you agree that you lack self awareness. Great that is settled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttsmu Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 The only impactful thing about this tour is the fact that a robot has more stage presence than Taylor. 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klein Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, ttsmu said: The only impactful thing about this tour is the fact that a robot has more stage presence than Taylor. Is being an OTH your entire personality on this website or what? Cause this weird obsession easily rival with the deranged Swifties dragging John Mayer in his comment section. Edited June 26, 2023 by Klein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lille Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 Yes, and only an obsessed loser would disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Slayne Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 yes that is until Celebration Tour starts 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inhwan Posted June 26, 2023 Share Posted June 26, 2023 Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealGâteau Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 There's no point denying it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kety Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 It’s the biggest tour ever so yes is the only answer. People around me do talk about it casually so it’s impacting the GP I fear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HASHTAGPOW Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 6 hours ago, ttsmu said: The only impactful thing about this tour is the fact that a robot has more stage presence than Taylor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rep2000 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 14 hours ago, ttsmu said: The only impactful thing about this tour is the fact that a robot has more stage presence than Taylor. And who has to use such robot again? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiseAndShine Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 I mean... let's be honest. Michael and Madonna already did everything there is to do. Michael brought huge spectacle to live pop shows, incorporated magic tricks, his iconography became cemented with performances and of course he elevated his performances with choreography. Not to mention him using tech and props during his shows. Madonna brought theatre! Blonde Ambition presented a segmented live show to tell an overarching narrative. Not to mention her stage design of the BA Tour. Basically what I'm saying is, it's difficult to truly do something innovative when it's all been done before. Taylor's impact on the economy and political and legislative landscape absolutely still counts as impact and shouldn't be invalidated. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raspberries Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 On 6/21/2023 at 11:55 PM, Blue Rose said: Yes they all do. I just googled the 3 first touring artists that came to mind and Ed Sheeran https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/11843527/ed-sheeran-boost-economy-ipswich/amp/ Pink https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/369620/pink-concert-pumped-14m-into-dunedin-economy Beyoncé https://fortune.com/2023/06/14/beyonce-renaissance-world-tour-drives-sweden-inflation-above-forecast/amp/ There is no doubt that Eras is very successful but it’s just another successful tour. Tourism and tours go hand in hand, it’s literally in the name Like I said.. they are not the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banterfly Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 For sure! Madonna and MJ did many great things. They were great performers. Taylor Swift should not be compared to them because she is doing her own thing. A singer-songwriter-musician playing in stadiums? Who has ever been like her? To those criticizing her stage presence and artistry, this is a reminder that she did the NPR tiny desk concert thing all by herself, which is something that neither MJ, Madonna or Beyonce can do. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headlock Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 On 6/26/2023 at 4:28 PM, dirrtydiana said: Even Britney’s us arena tour was the first to bring indoor rain (which I’m told inspired tay in one of her own tours). That’s influence. That’s impact. Sig worthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropical Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 My friends and I were watching the Sticky and Sweet Tour the other day (it was on in the background) and I was saying how this was the highest grossing tour and Taylor was probably gonna out-gross and everyone remarked upon what a disappointing replacement for Madonna, Taylor is. The tour has impact economically and by demand for sure, but what it's cultural legacy and impact will be... I fear it will tell us something very sad about society. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystic Boy Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 News of the day by Swifties logic: Ed Sheeran last tour is the most impactful ever since it's the biggest grossing ever for a solo artist! It surpassed tours like The Blond Ambition, The Wall World Tour, Bad World Tour 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rep2000 Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 On 6/27/2023 at 3:28 AM, dirrtydiana said: Even Britney’s us arena tour was the first to bring indoor rain (which I’m told inspired tay in one of her own tours). That’s influence. The delusion hahahahahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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