Missing Titanic Submarine Megathread | All Passengers Presumed Dead

[khalyan]

4 hours ago, AMIT said:

very interesting points!

 

@suburbannature thoughts? 

they won't respond for another 3 months sorry

[AMIT]

6 minutes ago, khalyan said:

they won't respond for another 3 months sorry

 mess, but thank you for the heads up 

[izzy™]

I’ve been watching videos of other deep sea submersibles and the way this one looked so CHEAP in comparison to actual safe ones astonishes me  

[fauxtography]

On 6/24/2023 at 12:13 AM, Chris said:

Who?

Who else?

 

Conservatives.

[Chris]

4 hours ago, khalyan said:

they won't respond for another 3 months sorry

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaait.....

 

whaattttttttttttttttttt?

[mystery]

The remains of the sub have been recovered.



 

[Just a Gay on ATRL]

Crazy to see the state of the submarine pulled out of the ocean. 

[Sergi91]

I thought the whole thing imploded 

[Bussea]

23 hours ago, khalyan said:

they won't respond for another 3 months sorry

hzzuuk

[Bussea]

1 hour ago, mystery said:

The remains of the sub have been recovered.



 

wow

[Pendulum]

Are the bodies disintegrated into nothing? 

[WildAmerican]

1 hour ago, mystery said:

The remains of the sub have been recovered.



 

woah! that's a pretty big piece it seems....

[Symmetra]

56 minutes ago, Pendulum said:

Are the bodies disintegrated into nothing? 

Pretty much. 

[mercurialworld]

 

[WildAmerican]

 

 

[Lemonjuice]

6 hours ago, Sergi91 said:

I thought the whole thing imploded 

This. How is that they’re taking solid remains? Dont trash me im not good at science

[Bentley]

Not human remains found  

[FailSafe]

Human remains? I-  Physics, wyd sis 

[Bussea]

ummmm  what’s going on

[mystery]

10 hours ago, WildAmerican said:

 

 

The exact wording is presumed human remains it seems, looks like if they did find something it was tiny fragments or in a goo like form or something.

[perpetual novice]

Bodies disintegrating into "nothing" is an exaggeration, but they would have been crushed pretty badly. Similar implosive decompressions leave some human debris around, it certainly wont be "bodies" though 

[Adam’s Eve]

Not this becoming a “boiled as in turned to gas?” tea

[onapearl]

I thought whatever human goo was left was ignited by the heat produced by the violence of the implosion and then turned into ash? This whole thing is so confusing 

 

18 hours ago, Sergi91 said:

I thought the whole thing imploded 

11 hours ago, Lemonjuice said:

This. How is that they’re taking solid remains? Dont trash me im not good at science

I think it was the carbon fiber main body that imploded (after breaking down over multiple trips) and what we're seeing are the parts that were made out of actual metal. Basically the end pieces and the mechanical components. 

[mystery]

Great New Yorker article with a lot of new info about how the entire OceanGate operation worked and led to the disaster, includes interviews with some people who had knowledge of everything.

New Yorker: The Titan Submersible Was “an Accident Waiting to Happen”

Further information that they knew there was an issue and were trying to ascend to the surface:
McCallum, who was leading an expedition in Papua New Guinea at the time, knew the outcome almost instantly. “The report that I got immediately after the event—long before they were overdue—was that the sub was approaching thirty-five hundred metres,” he told me, while the oxygen clock was still ticking. “It dropped weights”—meaning that the team had aborted the dive—“then it lost comms, and lost tracking, and an implosion was heard.”

On firings due to safety complaints:

OceanGate’s lawyer wrote, “The parties found themselves at an impasse—Mr. Lochridge was not, and specifically stated that he could not be made comfortable with OceanGate’s testing protocol, while Mr. Rush was unwilling to change the company’s plans.” The meeting ended in Lochridge’s firing.
 

Soon afterward, Rush asked OceanGate’s director of finance and administration whether she’d like to take over as chief submersible pilot. “It freaked me out that he would want me to be head pilot, since my background is in accounting,” she told me. She added that several of the engineers were in their late teens and early twenties, and were at one point being paid fifteen dollars an hour. Without Lochridge around, “I could not work for Stockton,” she said. “I did not trust him.” As soon as she was able to line up a new job, she quit.

On avoiding jurisdiction:
“Stockton strategically structured everything to be out of U.S. jurisdiction” for its Titanic pursuits, the former senior OceanGate employee told me. “It was deliberate.” In a legal filing, the company reported that the submersible was “being developed and assembled in Washington, but will be owned by a Bahamian entity, will be registered in the Bahamas and will operate exclusively outside the territorial waters of the United States.” Although it is illegal to transport passengers in an unclassed, experimental submersible, “under U.S. regulations, you can kill crew,” McCallum told me.

“You do get in a little bit of trouble, in the eyes of the law. But, if you kill a passenger, you’re in big trouble. And so everyone was classified as a ‘mission specialist.’ There were no passengers—the word ‘passenger’ was never used.” No one bought tickets; they contributed an amount of money set by Rush to one of OceanGate’s entities, to fund their own missions.

“It is truly hard to imagine the discernment it took for Stockton to string together each of the links in the chain,” Patrick noted. “ ‘How do I avoid liability in Washington State? How do I avoid liability with an offshore corporate structure? How do I keep the U.S. Coast Guard from breathing down my neck?’ ”

On PH and why he was there:
For the Five Deeps crew, Nargeolet's legacy is complicated by the circumstances of his final dives. "I had a conversation with P. H. just as recently as a few months ago," Lahey told me. "I kept giving him **** for going out there. I said, 'P. H., by you being out there, you legitimize what this guy's doing. It's a tacit endorsement. And, worse than that, I think he's using your involvement with the project, and your presence on the site, as a way to ******* lure people into it?'
 

Nargeolet replied that he was getting old. He was a grieving widower, and, as he told people several times in recent years, “if you have to go, that would be a good way. Instant.” “I said, ‘O.K., so you’re ready to ******* die? Is that what it is, P. H.?’ ” Lahey recalled. “And he said, ‘No, no, but I figure that, maybe if I’m out there, I can help them avoid a tragedy.’ But instead he found himself right in the ******* center of a tragedy. And he didn’t deserve to go that way.”

Edited July 1, 2023 by mystery

[Genius1111]

19 hours ago, mystery said:

Great New Yorker article with a lot of new info about how the entire OceanGate operation worked and led to the disaster, includes interviews with some people who had knowledge of everything.

New Yorker: The Titan Submersible Was “an Accident Waiting to Happen”

Further information that they knew there was an issue and were trying to ascend to the surface:
McCallum, who was leading an expedition in Papua New Guinea at the time, knew the outcome almost instantly. “The report that I got immediately after the event—long before they were overdue—was that the sub was approaching thirty-five hundred metres,” he told me, while the oxygen clock was still ticking. “It dropped weights”—meaning that the team had aborted the dive—“then it lost comms, and lost tracking, and an implosion was heard.”

On firings due to safety complaints:

OceanGate’s lawyer wrote, “The parties found themselves at an impasse—Mr. Lochridge was not, and specifically stated that he could not be made comfortable with OceanGate’s testing protocol, while Mr. Rush was unwilling to change the company’s plans.” The meeting ended in Lochridge’s firing.
 

Soon afterward, Rush asked OceanGate’s director of finance and administration whether she’d like to take over as chief submersible pilot. “It freaked me out that he would want me to be head pilot, since my background is in accounting,” she told me. She added that several of the engineers were in their late teens and early twenties, and were at one point being paid fifteen dollars an hour. Without Lochridge around, “I could not work for Stockton,” she said. “I did not trust him.” As soon as she was able to line up a new job, she quit.

On avoiding jurisdiction:
“Stockton strategically structured everything to be out of U.S. jurisdiction” for its Titanic pursuits, the former senior OceanGate employee told me. “It was deliberate.” In a legal filing, the company reported that the submersible was “being developed and assembled in Washington, but will be owned by a Bahamian entity, will be registered in the Bahamas and will operate exclusively outside the territorial waters of the United States.” Although it is illegal to transport passengers in an unclassed, experimental submersible, “under U.S. regulations, you can kill crew,” McCallum told me.

“You do get in a little bit of trouble, in the eyes of the law. But, if you kill a passenger, you’re in big trouble. And so everyone was classified as a ‘mission specialist.’ There were no passengers—the word ‘passenger’ was never used.” No one bought tickets; they contributed an amount of money set by Rush to one of OceanGate’s entities, to fund their own missions.

“It is truly hard to imagine the discernment it took for Stockton to string together each of the links in the chain,” Patrick noted. “ ‘How do I avoid liability in Washington State? How do I avoid liability with an offshore corporate structure? How do I keep the U.S. Coast Guard from breathing down my neck?’ ”

On PH and why he was there:
For the Five Deeps crew, Nargeolet's legacy is complicated by the circumstances of his final dives. "I had a conversation with P. H. just as recently as a few months ago," Lahey told me. "I kept giving him **** for going out there. I said, 'P. H., by you being out there, you legitimize what this guy's doing. It's a tacit endorsement. And, worse than that, I think he's using your involvement with the project, and your presence on the site, as a way to ******* lure people into it?'
 

Nargeolet replied that he was getting old. He was a grieving widower, and, as he told people several times in recent years, “if you have to go, that would be a good way. Instant.” “I said, ‘O.K., so you’re ready to ******* die? Is that what it is, P. H.?’ ” Lahey recalled. “And he said, ‘No, no, but I figure that, maybe if I’m out there, I can help them avoid a tragedy.’ But instead he found himself right in the ******* center of a tragedy. And he didn’t deserve to go that way.”

Jesus Christ! Proposing that the woman who has an accounting background be the head pilot.  And having engineers that are under 20 years old. 

 

The last paragraph is quite saddening too.

 

Stockton was such a slimeball. Heartbreaking thay 4 other people had to suffer the same fate as him.