ATRL Moderator khalyan Posted June 20, 2023 ATRL Moderator Posted June 20, 2023 Paris was an awful choice for the Olympics, there is so much known corruption in the French sporting organizations already.
Vermillion Posted June 20, 2023 Posted June 20, 2023 1 minute ago, khalyan said: Paris was an awful choice for the Olympics, there is so much known corruption in the French sporting organizations already. What was a better choice at this point? It's a lesser of five evils argument. I say get rid of them entirely or limit it to the 20-30 cities globally that have the infrastructure or for whom it won't take much $$$ to upgrade what they already have. That goes for summer AND winter.
ATRL Moderator khalyan Posted June 20, 2023 ATRL Moderator Posted June 20, 2023 1 minute ago, Espresso said: What was a better choice at this point? It's a lesser of five evils argument. I say get rid of them entirely or limit it to the 20-30 cities globally that have the infrastructure or for whom it won't take much $$$ to upgrade what they already have. That goes for summer AND winter. Hamburg would have been my preferred host. I don't understand how anyone could actually advocate for the removal of the Olympic games.
Vermillion Posted June 20, 2023 Posted June 20, 2023 1 minute ago, khalyan said: Hamburg would have been my preferred host. I don't understand how anyone could actually advocate for the removal of the Olympic games. Between the migrant worker deaths, grotesque display of petulance from abused Russian girls in the skating contest, and ceaseless financial corruption, I've advocated for years for splitting the sports into different organizations entirely. This notion of honor and sportsmanship is a mirage - the evils this event brings to its hosts and distractions from the contest itself have swallowed up the symbolism for years. Recently it's only seemed to have gotten worse. If you want to talk feasibility, fine, but if your argument's based on goodwill and athlete promotion, it's an absurd notion that the Olympics can do something other organizations can't do more efficiently and ethically.
nathanspears Posted June 20, 2023 Posted June 20, 2023 Hasn't the Olympics been corrupt for years? They need to scrap it. No one can afford or wants to host it anymore.
ATRL Moderator khalyan Posted June 20, 2023 ATRL Moderator Posted June 20, 2023 18 minutes ago, Espresso said: Between the migrant worker deaths, grotesque display of petulance from abused Russian girls in the skating contest, and ceaseless financial corruption, I've advocated for years for splitting the sports into different organizations entirely. This notion of honor and sportsmanship is a mirage - the evils this event brings to its hosts and distractions from the contest itself have swallowed up the symbolism for years. Recently it's only seemed to have gotten worse. If you want to talk feasibility, fine, but if your argument's based on goodwill and athlete promotion, it's an absurd notion that the Olympics can do something other organizations can't do more efficiently and ethically. The amount of funding that countries will invest in their athletes after a single good showing at the Olympics is more than enough to keep the Olympics alive. Look at how India's sports infrastructure so drastically evolved after Dipa Karmakar and Neeraj Chopra for example. I think your focus on the IOC itself is misplaced. One of your qualms is the abuse the Russian figure skaters face - but do you think that would disappear without the Olympics? It wouldn't, they would continue to be abused for World Championships. And while the IOC's handling of Valieva's doping case has been abhorrent, more responsibility needs to be given to FSU for creating a situation where this abuse could happen in the first place, so I think a sole blame on the IOC is unwarranted. 13 minutes ago, nathanspears said: Hasn't the Olympics been corrupt for years? They need to scrap it. No one can afford or wants to host it anymore. Not necessarily, recently most Olympics have either broke even or made a profit. Even Tokyo who hosted their Olympics without spectators haven't really lost money in the process, costing Tokyo $15.4 billion to produce but bringing in $16.4 billion in short term economic growth. The 2018, 2014, 2010, 2008, and 2002 games all produced profit. The IOC needs to be more involved in responsibly awarding Olympic Games and advising better use of facility growth though. Rio was in no shape ready to host the games in 2016, but IOC insisted on South America hosting their first Olympics and they lost money from doing so. IOC needs to encourage bids such as Los Angeles's 2028 bid which relied on more existing infrastructure rather than building everything new which will reduce costs and make the use of this infrastructure after the games easier to incorporate, same as what Tokyo has done. -- Overall, I am not saying IOC is a flawless organization and there are definite issues they need to address and fix moving forward with the Olympic ideal. However, the complete removal of the Olympics would do more harm than good IMO, with countries becoming better and smarter at hosting the games for economic growth in their countries, and non sports dominate countries getting funding and increasing the safety and standards of their own athletes back home. If there needs to be focus on a singular global sporting event due to corruption, it's FIFA.
CBC Posted June 20, 2023 Posted June 20, 2023 serves them right for making me get lost when i went to traumatica tour
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