Monster Megamind Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 I just don't find any justification as to why any business should run anywhere, where people can just walk in and walk out without paying.
GraceRandolph Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 4 minutes ago, Monster Megamind said: Same thing happening in Chicago as well... If people still don't acknowledge that tougher actions need to be taken to prevent theft, you'll never ever be able to tackle this. It's quite sad because law abiding citizens are caught in the crossfire. Walmart needs to stop selling animal products. Until they do they deserve theft lol.
nadiamendell Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Monster Megamind said: Same thing happening in Chicago as well... If people still don't acknowledge that tougher actions need to be taken to prevent theft, you'll never ever be able to tackle this. It's quite sad because law abiding citizens are caught in the crossfire. Where in that video does it say they are closing due to theft? From what I've read, they're closing 4 underperforming stores in low income areas due to high rent costs and "poor sales margins": https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/12/business/walmart-chicago-stores-closing/index.html Edited June 18, 2023 by nadiamendell
Monster Megamind Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, nadiamendell said: Where in that video does it say they are closing due to theft? From what I've read, they're closing due to high rent costs and "poor sales margins": https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/12/business/walmart-chicago-stores-closing/index.html Why do you think there are low margins in a hustling bustling city chock full of people!I could perfectly understand if they closed down a store in a rural area with a falling population. Edited June 18, 2023 by Monster Megamind
Vermillion Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 13 minutes ago, Monster Megamind said: They steal because they can. If they steal in a red state like this, they'll be shot dead. Have petty larceny thresholds for jail and bail been loosened in many blue states? Sure. The problem is it’s supposed to be part of a package of not ruining someone’s future that includes other initiatives for social mobility that simply aren’t happening right now, for various reasons. Also the data is not conclusive on the correlation between those behaviors and the policies. New York City for multiple reasons right now is a mess, but I’d look to some recent interviews with Karen Bass on the challenges she’s running into in Los Angeles of implementation of her homelessness initiatives (which have their flaws), but it covers a lot of what we’re discussing here.
Communion Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 17 minutes ago, Monster Megamind said: This has nothing to do with housing. Housing is expensive in Austin as well. Why don't I hear similar stories from there? 1
Mirtilo Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 Theft is not the only reason for this. For years, shopping malls have been closing everywhere in U.S. because of online shopping. From the New York Times: Quote Foot traffic is slowly recovering in downtowns, but for many retailers sales haven’t come back to prepandemic levels, making it unsustainable to continue paying the high rents in prominent downtown centers https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/14/business/westfield-mall-sf.html
Monster Megamind Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 1 minute ago, Communion said: Totally different topic. Next. 4
Communion Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 1 minute ago, Monster Megamind said: Totally different topic. "I don't care about people being killed, I care about small-dollar merchandise like a pack of 4 chicken breast being stolen!"
Monster Megamind Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 The fact that people are in this thread are so obtuse and refuse to accept that the policies in blue cities are so bad, I just know we have some bad days ahead. 2 3
nadiamendell Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 1 minute ago, Monster Megamind said: Totally different topic. Next. 1
Keter Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 1 hour ago, Horizon Flame said: They’re taking stuff that isn’t going to help them survive. They’re just looting because they can. It’s not like they’re stealing bread because they’re starving. They’re taking makeup, handbags, etc. They’re also not homeless. They’re kids laughing and having a great time doing it. Making excuses is why it’s happening in the first place. It’s reckless. Lawlessness is turning these places third world. Letting them get away with crime is a gateway to producing even worse criminals who will graduate into committing even worse crimes like rape and murder. People feel like they can get away with anything. We’re breeding a generation of criminals. There needs to be law and order in order to live in a civilized society. Looking the other way while people commit crime is only going to lead to things like food deserts. Nothing good comes from it. The fact that people can’t understand the concept of right from wrong is astounding. Most of our parents explained that stealing was wrong before we were even two years old. People saying “Who cares, they have insurance,” are nuts. They think that money grows on trees, that the world owes them something, and that there will be no repercussions. They’re sociopathic. They wouldn’t like someone going into their homes and taking whatever they wanted. Yea I came to say something similar. I’m an idealist at heart myself, but the number of ATRLers who think “corporations bad; end homelessness, take all the rich money and give to the poor” is surprising. The situation is complex and multifaceted. It’s homelessness, drugs, poverty, mental illness, other untreated conditions, lack of law enforcement, corruption, etc. and many homeless people do not want to be off the streets! It takes a large amount of support and follow up to ensure they do not end up back there. You’re talking about people who may not have any form of ID, who can’t navigate banking, limited job history, criminal convictions, poor job skills, etc. over years or decades. Life is more complex than “Mr. Johnson the homeless man just needs a house, a hot meal, and a chance.” Sometimes it’s that simple, but very rarely! 3
nadiamendell Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 Just now, Communion said: "I don't care about people being killed, I care about small-dollar merchandise like a pack of 4 chicken breast being stolen!" This person believes that small thefts like this deserve the firing squad. 3
Communion Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 1 minute ago, nadiamendell said: The fact that it's not even a different topic either since their original post suggested that homelessness correlated with crime and that the only way to solve crime was to lock up homeless people, and yet the example he gave of a city that has dealt with its homeless people by locking them up has even more murders. That user doing his best to spread copaganda yet studies shown over and over that homelessness correlates directly to housing costs - not mental illness or drug use - and thus the only solution to homelessness is to house people.
nadiamendell Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, Keter said: Yea I came to say something similar. I’m an idealist at heart myself, but the number of ATRLers who think “corporations bad; end homelessness, take all the rich money and give to the poor” is surprising. The situation is complex and multifaceted. It’s homelessness, drugs, poverty, mental illness, other untreated conditions, lack of law enforcement, corruption, etc. and many homeless people do not want to be off the streets! It takes a large amount of support and follow up to ensure they do not end up back there. You’re talking about people who may not have any form of ID, who can’t navigate banking, limited job history, criminal convictions, poor job skills, etc. over years or decades. Life is more complex than “Mr. Johnson the homeless man just needs a house, a hot meal, and a chance.” Sometimes it’s that simple, but very rarely! Literally no one advocating for housing the homeless believes that the help can just stop there. It's ONE part of a multi-faceted solution to actually address the underlying issues.
Monster Megamind Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 3 minutes ago, nadiamendell said: Literally no one advocating for housing the homeless believes that the help can just stop there. It's ONE part of a multi-faceted solution to actually address the underlying issues. Literally no one is against providing housing to people... But we must be more strict about dealing with theft. That's the crux of the discussion here. We shouldn't incentivize theft because that's exactly what's happening in SF. 1 1 1
Eternal220 Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 Hong kong is incredibly expensive as well to live in but you don’t see this happening because of a strong police force. Catch these criminals and throw them in jail. 2
Monster Megamind Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 Just now, Eternal220 said: Hong kong is incredibly expensive as well to live in but you don’t see this happening because of a strong police force. Catch these criminals and throw them in jail. Bingo!
gatito Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 34 minutes ago, Monster Megamind said: They steal because they can. If they steal in a red state like this, they'll be shot dead. people are shot dead in every single state even when they’re not stealing build affordable housing and eat the rich
XAMJ Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 15 minutes ago, nadiamendell said: This person believes that small thefts like this deserve the firing squad. Repubulikkkans believe this
Monster Megamind Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, gatito said: build affordable housing and eat the rich Do that but jail the criminals too!
GraceRandolph Posted June 18, 2023 Posted June 18, 2023 1 minute ago, XAMJ said: Repubulikkkans believe this People in here asking for concentration camps and judge, jury and executioners to shoot people for petty theft.
Monster Megamind Posted June 19, 2023 Posted June 19, 2023 1 minute ago, GraceRandolph said: People in here asking for concentration camps and judge, jury and executioners to shoot people for petty theft. Me when I exaggerate...
GraceRandolph Posted June 19, 2023 Posted June 19, 2023 Just now, Monster Megamind said: Me when I exaggerate... I’m not exaggerating in the slightest. 1
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