Did Taylor just redefine what "imperial phase" means?

[chiliam]

different eras different metric

what unique about Taylor`s situation is she is reaching this 17 years into her career and in those 17 years she never truly flop

 

All other biggest artists in history has their flop era by now and their imperial phrase usually occur within the 1st 10 years of their career.

 

Even if Taylor still needs some times to catch up with the legends, she is getting there maybe by end of the decade . At the very least TS13 will be a collapse. 

[dirrtydiana]

40 minutes ago, FightDragonsWithMe said:

And what has your fave done for the real world or impacting it in any way outside of endorsing Bush 

The nerves I hit with facts 🤦‍♀️ 

 

This is a taylor thread. ask Taylor, she knows.

[FightDragonsWithMe]

17 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said:

The nerves I hit with facts 🤦‍♀️ 

 

This is a taylor thread. ask Taylor, she knows.

Taylor hasn't talked about Britney in literal years so I'm sure she doesn't know 

[Lorenzo22]

i think the difference between her imperial phase with others is that her music is extremely beloved and in the end her discography will be at the level of rock artist. and at the same time she’s also huge as a celebrity. i don’t think any other mainstream pop artist has achieved this, maybe with their singles but not with their full body of works

[Raspberries]

4 hours ago, dirrtydiana said:

As basic as pandering to the low common denominator and loud privileged gen z girls? Idts

 

 

the legends themselves lump themselves with her so their word >>> yours 

 

ofc the boybands had an expiration date, do you know how the music industry works? And I’m not gonna go again into how Britney hasn’t handled her career since 2004, that’s common knowledge here by now.

 

 

Sis don’t you stan taylor who has a “vibes and feels” relationship with the number 13?

 

Nobody gives a **** that Madonna wore a Britney Spears t-shirt. She's out here collaborating with Christine and the Queens and Sam Smith. Does that make them legends  

 

Nobody cares that Britney danced with MJ so long ago that the twin towers were still standing. It is 2023

 

You keep giving that career handling excuse. Again, we do not care. Britney debuted and peaked at the peak of album sales and declined with every single release save for Circus after Blackout. Her only well known songs in 2023 came in the first 5 years of her career. She is a nice lady, but she is a tabloid fixture, not a musician. And it has been that way for well over a decade 

 

Stop inserting her into discussions about actual music legends 

[thetea]

7 hours ago, Steve Johnson said:

I wasn’t talking about you hunny 

yeah i know

[Raspberries]

1 hour ago, dirrtydiana said:

The nerves I hit with facts 🤦‍♀️ 

 

This is a taylor thread. ask Taylor, she knows.

YOU are the one who brought up Britney Spears and you're mad people are dragging her after you mentioned her  

[EmailMySwift]

3 hours ago, dirrtydiana said:

Are you? 
 

Those are replies to other users. The spam and trolling here is being made by you, randomly taking most of the page with them. On top of that bringing up Britney in a taylor thread trying to shade her spreading incorrect information. Taylor’s imperial phase is a result in part due to the lockdown, it has not lasted 17 years. Or are you implying she surpassed shania when she was singing Tim McGraw and YBWM? 
 

as for that user who keeps bringing up her “impact” with Spotify, Apple and Ticketmaster, again, how is that helping the real world people? Did she lower her insane ticket prices? This only helps capitalists pocket more from the working class. #eattherich

 

YOU literally brought up Britney first, in the very first post of yours I quoted 

 

1 hour ago, FightDragonsWithMe said:

And what has your fave done for the real world or impacting it in any way outside of endorsing Bush 

 

Read it and weep 

 

Her tenth original studio album, Midnights (2022), was her fifth to sell over a million US first-week copies and broke sales and streaming records including the biggest US single-week vinyl sales and the most single-day streams on Spotify.

 

Imagine doing this with your 10th album while having 0 flop eras 

Edited June 19, 2023 by EmailMySwift

[dirrtydiana]

22 minutes ago, Raspberries said:

Nobody gives a **** that Madonna wore a Britney Spears t-shirt. She's out here collaborating with Christine and the Queens and Sam Smith. Does that make them legends  

 

Nobody cares that Britney danced with MJ so long ago that the twin towers were still standing. It is 2023

 

You keep giving that career handling excuse. Again, we do not care. Britney debuted and peaked at the peak of album sales and declined with every single release save for Circus after Blackout. Her only well known songs in 2023 came in the first 5 years of her career. She is a nice lady, but she is a tabloid fixture, not a musician. And it has been that way for well over a decade 

 

Stop inserting her into discussions about actual music legends 

 

18 minutes ago, Raspberries said:

YOU are the one who brought up Britney Spears and you're mad people are dragging her after you mentioned her  

Dragging her? With ignorant misinformation? That’s what you consider a “drag”? Please. Do you know how to read? The only reason I’m even mentioning Britney is because people here started attacking her and me quoting me with my avi.

“Wore a shirt” “danced with her” as if that’s all they did. They both welcomed her with open arms because no one else was moving 50M sales her first 3 years. Does stanning taylor kill your braincells?

Not even MJ or Mad themselves or her competitors were moving that many or benefiting from this so called sales peak. 
 

it really seems you are so bothered that in 17 years, this vanilla “songwriter” hasn’t achieved what Britney did in her first 3 years.
 

9 minutes ago, EmailMySwift said:

 

YOU literally brought up Britney first, in the very first post of yours I quoted 

 

 

Read it and weep 

 

Her tenth original studio album, Midnights (2022), was her fifth to sell over a million US first-week copies and broke sales and streaming records including the biggest US single-week vinyl sales and the most single-day streams on Spotify.

 

Imagine doing this with your 10th album while having 0 flop eras 

I mentioned an entire list who had imperial phases and Britney is the one who bothers you? Go enjoy tays imperial phase instead of being bothered by a woman who hasn’t handled her own career since 2004

 

and you must be stupider than you show if you think that’s the only thing Britney’s impact has had. Taylor swift is literally here (her own words) because of Britney and her impact in the music industry. This very forum that you seethed for not being able to post 2 days in is here thanks to Britney. Want more? Go google it. 
 

Edited June 19, 2023 by dirrtydiana

[Popboi.]

That user throwing punches and insults trying to prove a point it doesn't work like that sis.

 

Yes, she is. Colossal success with her entire catalogue at the same time, 17 years into her career is literally unheard of. Literally shattering sales, streams and touring records on the daily/weekly in several markets/venues/platforms. 

[Raspberries]

4 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said:

 

Dragging her? With ignorant misinformation? That’s what you consider a “drag”? Please. Do you know how to read? The only reason I’m even mentioning Britney is because people here started attacking her and me quoting me with my avi.

“Wore a shirt” “danced with her” as if that’s all they did. They both welcomed her with open arms because no one else was moving 50M sales her first 3 years. Does stanning taylor kill your braincells?

Not even MJ or Mad themselves or her competitors were moving that many or benefiting from this so called sales peak. 
 

it really seems you are so bothered that in 17 years, this vanilla “songwriter” hasn’t achieved what Britney did in her first 3 years.
 

I mentioned an entire list who had imperial phases and Britney is the one who bothers you? Go enjoy tays imperial phase instead of being bothered by a woman who hasn’t handled her own career since 2004

 

and you must be stupider than you show if you think that’s the only thing Britney’s impact has had. Taylor swift is literally here (her own words) because of Britney and her impact in the music industry. This very forum that you seethed for not being able to post 2 days in is here thanks to Britney. Want more? Go google it. 
 

Yes, because she does not belong in the same group as those other musicians. 

 

Yes, the late 90s/early 00s were the peak of CD sales. This isn't debatable. Look at how many albums debuted with 1M+ and had massive sellers. Shania, Spice Girls, BSB, NSYNC (in the US), Eminem, Norah Jones, Celine etc all had gigantic MASSIVE selling albums
 

Britney's impact on Taylor begins and ends with Max Martin, who's had a million bigger hits than his work with Britney. They are two completely different pop stars, with one being an actual musician capable of writing, producing, composing and playing multiple instruments while the other did some nice dance routines back during George W Bush's first term as president. 

[Bussea]

she’s truly that girl 

[EmailMySwift]

18 minutes ago, dirrtydiana said:

 

 

and you must be stupider than you show
 

Attacking members is not allowed. You're mad that Taylor's imperial phase lasted 17 years while other popgirls flopped with their 10 albums. Taylor is breaking every record with her 10th album. She is rewriting imperial phases. You're straight up trolling for 30 posts but I admire your immunity from getting banned. 

 

  

[dirrtydiana]

32 minutes ago, EmailMySwift said:

Attacking members is not allowed. You're mad that Taylor's imperial phase lasted 17 years while other popgirls flopped with their 10 albums. Taylor is breaking every record with her 10th album. She is rewriting imperial phases. You're straight up trolling for 30 posts but I admire your immunity from getting banned. 

 

  

And I admire your ability to insist on staying off topic. Taylor swift is the topic here, not me. And 22 posts =/= 30. And Britney has 8 albums.

 

46 minutes ago, Raspberries said:

Yes, because she does not belong in the same group as those other musicians. 

 

Yes, the late 90s/early 00s were the peak of CD sales. This isn't debatable. Look at how many albums debuted with 1M+ and had massive sellers. Shania, Spice Girls, BSB, NSYNC (in the US), Eminem, Norah Jones, Celine etc all had gigantic MASSIVE selling albums
 

Britney's impact on Taylor begins and ends with Max Martin, who's had a million bigger hits than his work with Britney. They are two completely different pop stars, with one being an actual musician capable of writing, producing, composing and playing multiple instruments while the other did some nice dance routines back during George W Bush's first term as president. 

The one who doesn’t belong in the list are the likes of Ed, Harry and Taylor. 

Everyone you mentioned except Norah are extreme industry juggernauts including Britney as much as you hate it. They caused the boom in the sales climate, what’s not clicking? Where is xtinas 1M opener? Where is DC’s? Or even MJ/Madonna/Janet who also released during this time? Not to mention they all suffered major decline as well, I don’t get why Britney is the target here. And you seem to be fixated on the peak of sales. How about the peak of piracy? That majorly hurt their sales too.
 

i bet she begs to differ that’s where it ends. And yes she obviously was made to be a shania Britney hybrid tho now the lana thing is working for her.
 

Edited June 19, 2023 by dirrtydiana

[EmailMySwift]

32 minutes ago, Raspberries said:

 

Britney's impact on Taylor begins and ends with Max Martin

Please don't tell me we're crediting Britney with Max, the biggest producer in pop that Britney lucked out by being paired with him. His biggest hits of all time are not even Britney songs. Taylor however won him his first AOTY Grammy. 

 

[Cruel Summer]

Some of the posts in here claiming that she's doing this without having any good music are fascinating. Like, you really havent encountered the concept of being in the minority when it comes to liking a thing? It's that hard for you to accept that other people do think her music is good, that they do think that it's worthy of this level of success, and that they like the music for what it is? Like, pretending that her success is some hollow, unsubstantiated, self-perpetuating mass cult of celebrity - it's just such a weird excuse. It's okay to not get why other people like something!

[Bill_NewRomantiks]

1 hour ago, Lorenzo22 said:

i think the difference between her imperial phase with others is that her music is extremely beloved and in the end her discography will be at the level of rock artist. and at the same time she’s also huge as a celebrity. i don’t think any other mainstream pop artist has achieved this, maybe with their singles but not with their full body of works

This the biggest difference between 2023 with 2009 and 2015 is, she's not like simply pulling hits and best-selling albums while have some pop culture moments, her whole catalog is doing chart residency in official charts and public is consuming her whole music with Eras Tour happening. Public loving her music and admit her artistry, not bcs several headlines check is the biggest and most important achivement so far in her career

[collin]

3 hours ago, MingYouToo said:

I think the thread title could do with some rework.

 

Taylor redefined the imperial phase by basically implying that women are allowed to peak nearly 2 decades into their career. Madonna, Mariah, Gaga, Britney, etc. all peaked within their first decade.

 

Taylor Swift is officially at her biggest across all metrics, whether it be public adoration or commercial sales, 17 years into her career, with all 17 of those being in the complete spotlight.

Tina Turner who just passed away last month is the person that did this first. Not Taylor Swift. And it was 20+ years into her career.

[Kern]

11 hours ago, The Music Industry said:

This is a pop culture forum. Taylor is the biggest artist on Earth by a long shot and thus naturally this place is full of Swifties. I'm not sure what's surprising about Swifties making threads about Taylor on a forum dedicated to exactly that  

Never said I’m surprised? It’s just boring. Most of those threads are random questions or essays on the queens greatness. Y’all just a boring fan base

[SharonStone]

5 hours ago, EmailMySwift said:

I just got warned and restricted from posting for 2 days for saying Britney couldn't have pulled off Umbrella like Rih due to her nasally vocals IN A THREAD ABOUT HER PASSING ON UMBRELLA because I was being "belligerent" towards her but this trolling and spamming is acceptable? 

 

To answer the question, Taylor's imperial phase has lasted 17 years and counting so yes, she redefined imperial phases. No 2-year "peaks" for her. Her whole career is an imperial phase. 

 

Welcome to ATRL. Rule #1: Britney criticism is a one way ticket to warning points, restrictions and bans.
Taylor's imperial phase is undeniably huge but there's something about it that doesn't feel larger than life and impactful in a POP sense.

It's very high school girl with her diary and she cant escape that trapping.

[FightDragonsWithMe]

3 hours ago, dirrtydiana said:

And I admire your ability to insist on staying off topic. Taylor swift is the topic here, not me. And 22 posts =/= 30. And Britney has 8 albums.

 

The one who doesn’t belong in the list are the likes of Ed, Harry and Taylor. 

Everyone you mentioned except Norah are extreme industry juggernauts including Britney as much as you hate it. They caused the boom in the sales climate, what’s not clicking? Where is xtinas 1M opener? Where is DC’s? Or even MJ/Madonna/Janet who also released during this time? Not to mention they all suffered major decline as well, I don’t get why Britney is the target here. And you seem to be fixated on the peak of sales. How about the peak of piracy? That majorly hurt their sales too.
 

i bet she begs to differ that’s where it ends. And yes she obviously was made to be a shania Britney hybrid tho now the lana thing is working for her.
 

The decline in question wasn't as big of a drop as Britney's how does Hard Candy an 11th album mind you outsell Circus vs a SIXTH 

[jim19911126]

14 hours ago, DoubleRainbow! said:

This 

For example: she had four sold out shows in my country last week (I’m attending one of them) that doesn’t mean everyone is talking about her or she has multiple hits here. she’s a generational phenomenon yeah, but my mom literally asked me: who is that? 
 

it’s not a Michael Jackson or The Beatles type of phenomenon as some swifties are claiming 

No offense but I just can't believe that someone would still be asking "Who's Taylor Swift.", like, are you really not listening to music or away from all the media?

[Raspberries]

6 hours ago, dirrtydiana said:

And I admire your ability to insist on staying off topic. Taylor swift is the topic here, not me. And 22 posts =/= 30. And Britney has 8 albums.

 

The one who doesn’t belong in the list are the likes of Ed, Harry and Taylor. 

Everyone you mentioned except Norah are extreme industry juggernauts including Britney as much as you hate it. They caused the boom in the sales climate, what’s not clicking? Where is xtinas 1M opener? Where is DC’s? Or even MJ/Madonna/Janet who also released during this time? Not to mention they all suffered major decline as well, I don’t get why Britney is the target here. And you seem to be fixated on the peak of sales. How about the peak of piracy? That majorly hurt their sales too.
 

i bet she begs to differ that’s where it ends. And yes she obviously was made to be a shania Britney hybrid tho now the lana thing is working for her.
 

1. MJ, Madonna and Janet were well over a decade into their careers during the CD boom. They had all already peaked  

 

2. Taylor belongs in the same breath as Madonna, MJ, Whitney etc because she's going to pass a lot of the legends in units, is going to get the biggest tour of all time, has crowds of 30,000+ outside her sold out stadiums. Why are you bringing up Ed and Harry? Taylor is bigger than both of them by miles 

 

3. In what world is Taylor a mix of Britney and anyone? Britney was a label puppet who did not write or produce or have any vocal ability. She was a dancing pop star made to appeal to young girls. Why would a pop star who writes everything she records, produces, plays like 5 instruments, composes, etc. be anything like her?  (You know that photo isn't real, right?)

[SwiftLover]

6 hours ago, dirrtydiana said:

And yes she obviously was made to be a shania Britney hybrid

This is honestly hilarious 

[MonsterTown]

yes! she is the moment!