music news Fergie not to be back to BEP, leaves music industry

[Rebel Lion]

She should collab with Gwen as her swan song.

[Power love]

Bro sad news in Pop culture.

 

 But always thought Nelly Furtado or Nicole Zing would make better replacements

[Queen Of Slay]

the double dutchess era on here was insane like you just had to be there

you will be missed fergie 

[SweetTalker]

I get it. It may sound stupid but imagine your kid seeing all the lashings you get as an artist. Some people just can’t cope with it and that’s okay

[Right Now]

2 hours ago, Gwendolyn said:

Someone said in a thread a few days ago about the mid 00s pop girlies (Fergie, Bedingfield,Stefani, Furtado) all had quicker demises compared to their a few late 00s counterparts and I need someone to answer why that happened 

One of these is not like the others 

[Ger]

Lowkey expected, it's a shame, Fergie gave us an iconic essential era during the 00's. Plus, of course, her along with the rest of BEP's, too many classics. Her legacy is already there. Definetely going to be missed, there has always been something stand out with her.

[Cbreezy]

TBH, Will is just saying what he always says when asked about her and BEP. I was bracing for a more direct quote from her given the thread title. 

 

In general, her latter career trajectory annoys me. 

 

There are a few 00s artists that really screwed themselves by playing around in that final frame between the end of the physicals/iTunes era and the dominance of the streaming era. Fergie being one of the main ones. 

 

That's not to say she'd still be slaying now, but it'd wild to me that acts like her essentially "sat out" the last frames of plausible success before the market flipped on its head and became streaming-and-now-Tik-Tok-led.

 

She actually did well with L.A Love (La La) in circa 2014 and then went quiet, changed labels to an indie (a fact I think that goes over most people's heads), and was IMO over-ambitious with the Double Dutchess concept. Instead of a visual album (who want that from Fergie?), she should have poured her all into specific videos and the payola needed to push them. Especially as an indie act. 

 

The national anthem fiasco seemingly sealed the deal. 

 

BEP seems like her one redeeming angle, but the door seems closed. Either from the perspective of them being locked in a deal that is iron-clad between them three (thus making her joining not as easy one might think contractually) or her/them not wanting her back.

Edited June 14, 2023 by Cbreezy

[That Bad Eartha]

2 hours ago, Gwendolyn said:

I'm so angry she never followed Double Dutchess up quickly enough, had so much potential but good on her for focusing on her son.

 

Someone said in a thread a few days ago about the mid 00s pop girlies (Fergie, Bedingfield,Stefani, Furtado) all had quicker demises compared to their a few late 00s counterparts and I need someone to answer why that happened 

I feel like weirdly a lot of these mid 00s stars were somewhat faceless so it made it harder for them to build a core fanbase in the way the late 2000s girls with their distinct persona's were able to. Nelly changed genres so often and rapidly that it was hard to grab onto her casually, Fergie dissolved back into BEP pretty quickly after her initial solo success, Natasha was always really AC fodder that briefly had a moment in the sun, Gwen had the most distinct persona but her LAMB shtick became problematic so fast and then she couldn't really decide whether to continue solo or go back to No Doubt. 

[ddddynamite]

Retired Dutchess

[CBC]

i guess it's for the best. DD is a classic and i dont think shed be able to create another album with as much quality so might as well let it go

[poki]

 

I will always be a stan and always happy when I hear Clumsy & Big Girls Don't Cry in stores 

Her 2003 - 2010 run was incredible. Also, did you know she opened for Cher in the Believe Tour? 

 

I saw a comment about why Fergie, Nelly and Gwen fizzled out fast:

- Fergie was with BEP and had more hits in 2008-2011, then took a break to start a family. 2012 was the first year since 2003 that Fergie didn't have a track out for radio. 

- Gwen toured a lot in 2007 and then worked with her band on their comeback album, which unfortunately took forever to happen. In many ways, No Doubt stans + Gwen back then saw her solor career as a cute experiment while the band is on hiatus. She didn't even plan to do a follow-up for LAMB but Pharrell loved the left over tracks so they quickly pulled out The Sweet Escape. 

- Nelly Furtado had a mental breakdown due to her intense schedule and barely made it out alive from the extensive Get Loose tour. She wanted to get away from it all

[Katamari]

3 hours ago, Tillz said:

My Queen , but as long as she's is happy.

The Dutchess was my first album, oh I remember the good old days when I used to jerk off thinking of her and Brandon Flowers with their music on the backround. 

 

[SchmoodRing]

9 hours ago, Space Cowboy said:

That tragic performance of the US anthem truly ended her career 

That didn't have anything to do with it did you not read the article 

9 hours ago, CaptainMusic said:

It’s not really that hard when you’re a millionaire…  

 

But as long as she’s happy 

The divorce with Josh really did a number their were many blind items that she had relapsed too

9 hours ago, vuelve88 said:

Can you add "National Anthem Chanteuse" to the OP title? 

No because she is more than that one messy performance 

9 hours ago, Gwendolyn said:

I'm so angry she never followed Double Dutchess up quickly enough, had so much potential but good on her for focusing on her son.

 

Someone said in a thread a few days ago about the mid 00s pop girlies (Fergie, Bedingfield,Stefani, Furtado) all had quicker demises compared to their a few late 00s counterparts and I need someone to answer why that happened 

Bedingfield just fell off because so did her quality and then the hiatus didn't help. Nelly released a Spanish album then a pop album that wasn't well received and a commercial failure then returned half a decade later with an indie record and is just now nearly a decade later coming out with a new record. Gwen is a perfectionist and lazy and having artistry block and is more content with being a country star's wife then a popstar and supposedly her label ain't dropping her album until she secures a hit. Their demises are mostly credited to them choosing to take a break to focus on their personal lives for the most part. Also Fergie was still that girl up until the mid 2010s she outlasted all the girls that you mentioned 

 

9 hours ago, schnetzka said:

It really is a shame that the National Anthem event ended her career. I was rooting for her to have continued success.

No shame cause it didn't end it 

9 hours ago, Laura Palmer said:

But we need Three Times a Dutchess 

 Cute title 3D could've worked as well

9 hours ago, Heldenzeit said:

We deserved Triple Dutchess 

x2 the way that we deserved Gwen Stefani, Iggy Azalea, CL, Nicole Scherzinger, Britney Spears, Nelly Furtado for Miss Ferguson 

[Gorjesspazze9]

To be fair not everyone is meant to have longevity and stay a megastar for 15 Years+. Even the BEP lost thier relevancy the past decade. That’s just life

[SchmoodRing]

10 hours ago, Rebel Lion said:

She should collab with Gwen as her swan song.

I was just posting this or do a couple of features or collaborations here and there 

10 hours ago, Power love said:

Bro sad news in Pop culture.

 

 But always thought Nelly Furtado or Nicole Zing would make better replacements

Nelly would never join nor does she need to. Nicole would never put it past her to accept the position full time 🙄 

8 hours ago, SweetTalker said:

I get it. It may sound stupid but imagine your kid seeing all the lashings you get as an artist. Some people just can’t cope with it and that’s okay

Again it has nothing to do with the backlash she got from that ONE performance. That divorce and other **** was going down behind the scenes. Probably compromised her sobriety and her kid so she's doing what's best.

 

[SchmoodRing]

8 hours ago, Cbreezy said:

TBH, Will is just saying what he always says when asked about her and BEP. I was bracing for a more direct quote from her given the thread title. 

 

In general, her latter career trajectory annoys me. 

 

There are a few 00s artists that really screwed themselves by playing around in that final frame between the end of the physicals/iTunes era and the dominance of the streaming era. Fergie being one of the main ones. 

 

That's not to say she'd still be slaying now, but it'd wild to me that acts like her essentially "sat out" the last frames of plausible success before the market flipped on its head and became streaming-and-now-Tik-Tok-led.

 

She actually did well with L.A Love (La La) in circa 2014 and then went quiet, changed labels to an indie (a fact I think that goes over most people's heads), and was IMO over-ambitious with the Double Dutchess concept. Instead of a visual album (who want that from Fergie?), she should have poured her all into specific videos and the payola needed to push them. Especially as an indie act. 

 

The national anthem fiasco seemingly sealed the deal. 

 

BEP seems like her one redeeming angle, but the door seems closed. Either from the perspective of them being locked in a deal that is iron-clad between them three (thus making her joining not as easy one might think contractually) or her/them not wanting her back.

At the end of the day she was passionate about DD and saw it through no matter what and I respect her for that. I met her personally during that era and she spoke with me and my friend and sang happy birthday. She admitted to be going through alot behind the scenes and that putting that album out means more to her then we'll ever know. All she needs is to look good and put out new music and she is set with some promo. A tour would help as well. The door isn't closed. Their is no issue. She just doesn't want to be involved with the industry as of right now and they're respecting that and will welcome her back with open arms if and when she decides that she wants to.

8 hours ago, That Bad Eartha said:

I feel like weirdly a lot of these mid 00s stars were somewhat faceless so it made it harder for them to build a core fanbase in the way the late 2000s girls with their distinct persona's were able to. Nelly changed genres so often and rapidly that it was hard to grab onto her casually, Fergie dissolved back into BEP pretty quickly after her initial solo success, Natasha was always really AC fodder that briefly had a moment in the sun, Gwen had the most distinct persona but her LAMB shtick became problematic so fast and then she couldn't really decide whether to continue solo or go back to No Doubt. 

Eh wrong. Well sort of. I do agree that Nelly being eclectic didn't help her but she also outside of TSI and Loose was never really a mainstream popstar so she was never gonna be at the top unfortunately. She came out about during a time where singer song writers were a thing then had her Loose moment then put out a Spanish album then came back again put out a pop album that wasn't exactly on trend and then disappeared for half a decade. Fergie didn't dissolve if after reuniting with BEP she continued and saw much success. The album campaign for her sophomore album is what derailed her and then essentially going on a indefinite hiatus is what did it for her. Natasha had her moment for like 2 eras then the music wasn't as good in my opinion then she just didn't put out music for years. In real life people don't really care how "problematic" was actually everytime it's brought up now she gets a pass because the music still hits and she has the talent 💀 #wherestheliethough after her last ND she has stayed solo. The problem has been how insecure she has become as she's gotten older as an artist with writers block, being self conscious as a legacy act in this current climate and also just being focused on other things and comfortable with where she's at because she just doesn't have the drive in her to be a mainstream popstar which I can respect she's been at this for several decades now. 

 

8 hours ago, CBC said:

i guess it's for the best. DD is a classic and i dont think shed be able to create another album with as much quality so might as well let it go

Honestly she's been through alot and still has it in her. I've seen her live and she can sing and is a performer. 

 

7 hours ago, PoKiTaurus said:

 

I will always be a stan and always happy when I hear Clumsy & Big Girls Don't Cry in stores 

Her 2003 - 2010 run was incredible. Also, did you know she opened for Cher in the Believe Tour? 

 

I saw a comment about why Fergie, Nelly and Gwen fizzled out fast:

- Fergie was with BEP and had more hits in 2008-2011, then took a break to start a family. 2012 was the first year since 2003 that Fergie didn't have a track out for radio. 

- Gwen toured a lot in 2007 and then worked with her band on their comeback album, which unfortunately took forever to happen. In many ways, No Doubt stans + Gwen back then saw her solor career as a cute experiment while the band is on hiatus. She didn't even plan to do a follow-up for LAMB but Pharrell loved the left over tracks so they quickly pulled out The Sweet Escape. 

- Nelly Furtado had a mental breakdown due to her intense schedule and barely made it out alive from the extensive Get Loose tour. She wanted to get away from it all

Exactly people making it seem like Fergie fell off the face of the earth after her solo are living in an alternate time-line she was that girl from 2002 to 2014. Gwen was actually on track to release a third solo album after TSE but put a pause on that because she too was overworked and wasn't expecting to be such a big solo artist got pregnant and wanted to reunite with ND. Yeah Nelly wasn't prepared to MPG she was kind of thrusted into it and managed to just barely get out unscathed it's why we never got that Loose Part 2 album that was suppose to follow and why she's veered far away from being a MPG after that

[SchmoodRing]

1 hour ago, Gorjesspazze9 said:

To be fair not everyone is meant to have longevity and stay a megastar for 15 Years+. Even the BEP lost thier relevancy the past decade. That’s just life

Its funny that you say that because they just recently had a career resurgence with their last 2 albums lol all the more reason why people wanted Fergie back to enjoy and be a part of that Renaissance since she is definitely a major factor and key competent to their legacy

[CaptainMusic]

1 hour ago, SchmoodRing said:

Also Fergie was still that girl up until the mid 2010s she outlasted all the girls that you mentioned 

 

Gwen lasted from 1995-2007 and her last album at least went #1

 

Fergie lasted from 2003-2011, and Double Dutchess didn’t even go Top 10

 

So Gwen had the most longevity 

 

 

[Gorjesspazze9]

1 hour ago, SchmoodRing said:

Its funny that you say that because they just recently had a career resurgence with their last 2 albums lol all the more reason why people wanted Fergie back to enjoy and be a part of that Renaissance since she is definitely a major factor and key competent to their legacy

They had a resurgence? Oh damn I’m out of the loop. I haven’t heard of them in years

[Cbreezy]

2 hours ago, SchmoodRing said:

At the end of the day she was passionate about DD and saw it through no matter what and I respect her for that. I met her personally during that era and she spoke with me and my friend and sang happy birthday. She admitted to be going through alot behind the scenes and that putting that album out means more to her then we'll ever know. All she needs is to look good and put out new music and she is set with some promo. A tour would help as well. The door isn't closed. Their is no issue. She just doesn't want to be involved with the industry as of right now and they're respecting that and will welcome her back with open arms if and when she decides that she wants to.

Interesting insights about her mindset during DD. I can see how seeing it through probably had a deeply personal rooting for her. Something was clearly going on for her to manage to get off Interscope with her full album intact and release it whole elsewhere (BMG). I can see it being a case of Interscope not believing in it and giving it to her on her way out or she had to buy the rights from them. 

 

Whatever the case, I highly doubt she turned a profit on it. Quite the opposite. Especially with the cost of all those videos. This leads to my broader point...

 

I respectively disagree with the "look good and release music" mindset. This is a business. Artists have to make a living and labels/promoters are hellbent on turning a profit. So, unless we're talking about a rising indie star or someone for whom money isn't an issue, any release ought to be accompanied by a plan. I.e. releasing new music to plug a tour or residency (where the real moolah is). 

 

I like Fergie, so hope she can either map out a better version of Gwen's approach or just get back with BEP. The latter being her best bet at ever having another chart-moment (Top 40). 

 

 

Edited June 15, 2023 by Cbreezy

[Zox]

I’m sure they’ll have one make quick reunion together, but they were truly a FORCE together. 

[liquiddiamonds]

13 hours ago, Gwendolyn said:

Someone said in a thread a few days ago about the mid 00s pop girlies (Fergie, Bedingfield,Stefani, Furtado) all had quicker demises compared to their a few late 00s counterparts and I need someone to answer why that happened 

Its unfair to pack Gwen with them. She had been around in mainstream culture since 1994 and she was the face of No Doubt for millions. If anything it is remarkable she had a repeak 10 years in the industry with LAMB and The Sweet Escape. Unlike the others the problem wasn’t that she had to immediately release albums with her OG group (Fergie post-Dutchess) or flopped with new albums (like Nelly and Natasha), she just took too long to return to music in general (6 years for a new No Doubt album, 10 years for a solo album). She could’ve smashed hard during electropop days 

Edited June 15, 2023 by liquiddiamonds

[Harrys Hairflip]

All because of that performance backlash i hate str8 people

[Shelter]

The industry did her dirty. Shame no one big would do a collab with her.