news Trump Indictment: Audio tape leaked

[ClashAndBurn]

23 minutes ago, BeenTheShit said:

These cases are not the same at all.  What Hillary did was a careless mistake, but she wasn't acting with malicious intent.  Nor was she sending out nuclear codes or top-level military secrets in her emails. 

 

Trump stole hundreds of boxes of documents, some deemed the highest level of classification, and knew he was not allowed to possess them.  He literally went to great lengths to move and hide the documents (flying them on planes between residences) when investigators and his own lawyers came looking.  Not to mention he stored them unsecured in a bathroom next to the toilet. 

 

The sad part too is that if he simply gave the documents back when first asked, he wouldn't be facing all the trouble he's in.  Instead his ego and entitlement got in the way, and he ****** around and found out. 

 

At this point, Hillary's password-protected email server was like Fort Knox when compared to how Trump randomly dumped boxes of documents around Mar-a-Lago. 

 

18 minutes ago, Vroom Vroom said:

On the debate stage Trump promised to put Hillary in prison. It is really a mystery why Trump’s crony Bill Barr didn’t indict Hillary. 
Oh wait! I think I found a reason! 
https://www.newsweek.com/william-barr-compares-clinton-emails-trump-mar-lago-documents-1741226?amp=1
 

It seems like Trump’s own Attorney General thinks they are different situations 

Malicious intent or not, it doesn’t matter. What she did was illegal and she should be in prison for life.  

[Vroom Vroom]

20 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

 

Malicious intent or not, it doesn’t matter. What she did was illegal and she should be in prison for life.  

Hillary should be in prison for multiple reasons, but that doesn’t mean that Trump should not be charged 

 

[Bears01]

2 hours ago, ClashAndBurn said:

Gonna look real bad if Trump is actually charged after the FBI declined to prosecute Hillary for her server malpractice.

 

That’s the main reason I don’t see them going through with any of it. What Hillary did was blatantly illegal, and their legitimacy as an institution is already on very thin ice.

What Hillary did wasn’t nearly as reckless and dangerous (some of the documents that trump had are completely gone now) but she probably still should have been arrested. 
 

Problem is, trump controlled the DOJ for 4 years and campaigned on putting her in prison. Why wasn’t it done then? 

[Sergi91]

18 minutes ago, Bears01 said:

What Hillary did wasn’t nearly as reckless and dangerous (some of the documents that trump had are completely gone now) but she probably still should have been arrested. 
 

Problem is, trump controlled the DOJ for 4 years and campaigned on putting her in prison. Why wasn’t it done then? 

Because there was no legal reason to do it. 

[FameFatale]

56 minutes ago, Bears01 said:

What Hillary did wasn’t nearly as reckless and dangerous (some of the documents that trump had are completely gone now) but she probably still should have been arrested. 
 

Problem is, trump controlled the DOJ for 4 years and campaigned on putting her in prison. Why wasn’t it done then? 

I believe the DOJ did look at the case and there was no way to bring it to trial because of the intent was harder to prove or wasn’t there. They would only bring cases to trial if they are 100% they can prove. 

[ClashAndBurn]

1 hour ago, Bears01 said:

What Hillary did wasn’t nearly as reckless and dangerous (some of the documents that trump had are completely gone now) but she probably still should have been arrested. 
 

Problem is, trump controlled the DOJ for 4 years and campaigned on putting her in prison. Why wasn’t it done then? 

They were scared of looking like they were doing Trump's bidding, especially since he was openly leaning on them to do other things he wanted in order to protect himself and persecute his political enemies. In ignoring Hillary Clinton's criminal negligence and malpractice, they've been able to curry favor with liberals who will now defend the most historically anti-black and anti-left institutions in our nation's history.

 

Focusing on prosecuting Julian Assange under the unconstitutional Espionage Act (created to detain anyone who spoke out against World War I) as well, who also embarrassed Clinton and Obama with his WikiLeaks dumps from Chelsea Manning, has also worked to do the same. Especially since they've successfully framed Assange as directly conspiring with Putin to hurt Clinton and help Trump and are currently working harder to bring the hammer down on him, a non-American citizen, harder than they ever have anyone else ever.

 

Biden publicly acting like he's separated himself from the DOJ has allowed them to target his political enemies as they please. They're partisans, no matter how much they say they aren't, so they were always going to weaponize the government against Trump, justifying it by declaring him to be an unprecedented threat, even though Hillary criminally mishandled documents and claimed she did everything by the book.

Edited June 10, 2023 by ClashAndBurn

[Bears01]

34 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

They were scared of looking like they were doing Trump's bidding, especially since he was openly leaning on them to do other things he wanted in order to protect himself and persecute his political enemies. In ignoring Hillary Clinton's criminal negligence and malpractice, they've been able to curry favor with liberals who will now defend the most historically anti-black and anti-left institutions in our nation's history.

 

Focusing on prosecuting Julian Assange under the unconstitutional Espionage Act (created to detain anyone who spoke out against World War I) as well, who also embarrassed Clinton and Obama with his WikiLeaks dumps from Chelsea Manning, has also worked to do the same. Especially since they've successfully framed Assange as directly conspiring with Putin to hurt Clinton and help Trump and are currently working harder to bring the hammer down on him, a non-American citizen, harder than they ever have anyone else ever.

 

Biden publicly acting like he's separated himself from the DOJ has allowed them to target his political enemies as they please. They're partisans, no matter how much they say they aren't, so they were always going to weaponize the government against Trump, justifying it by declaring him to be an unprecedented threat, even though Hillary criminally mishandled documents and claimed she did everything by the book.

Sis, I don’t disagree that Hillary should have been charge (it probably would have been difficult to convict, you have to have 100% guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, and some of the details of her case were still murky enough to leave reasonable doubt) but you can’t convince me that THIS isn’t blatantly criminal: https://twitter.com/realsaavedra/status/1667230645033254912?s=46&t=F2Kqdy7aScoPGAKFHNr8dQ

 

Let’s not be obtuse, this is him admitting to a crime on tape. He ignored multiple subpoenas for 2 years to turn over everything from the FBI, they literally gave him every opportunity in the world for this to just slide and go on his way. 
 

If this were you or me, we wouldn’t have even had the opportunity to hand these back over. We’d be in jail. You can’t paint trump as an innocent victim and not severely reckless, like come on 

[xDiamondx]

53 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

They were scared of looking like they were doing Trump's bidding, especially since he was openly leaning on them to do other things he wanted in order to protect himself and persecute his political enemies. In ignoring Hillary Clinton's criminal negligence and malpractice, they've been able to curry favor with liberals who will now defend the most historically anti-black and anti-left institutions in our nation's history.

 

Focusing on prosecuting Julian Assange under the unconstitutional Espionage Act (created to detain anyone who spoke out against World War I) as well, who also embarrassed Clinton and Obama with his WikiLeaks dumps from Chelsea Manning, has also worked to do the same. Especially since they've successfully framed Assange as directly conspiring with Putin to hurt Clinton and help Trump and are currently working harder to bring the hammer down on him, a non-American citizen, harder than they ever have anyone else ever.

 

Biden publicly acting like he's separated himself from the DOJ has allowed them to target his political enemies as they please. They're partisans, no matter how much they say they aren't, so they were always going to weaponize the government against Trump, justifying it by declaring him to be an unprecedented threat, even though Hillary criminally mishandled documents and claimed she did everything by the book.

Agreed.  Especially because Biden has a long history of voting against progressive policies dating back to the 90s.  He's weaker for it.

 

14 minutes ago, Bears01 said:

Sis, I don’t disagree that Hillary should have been charge (it probably would have been difficult to convict, you have to have 100% guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, and some of the details of her case were still murky enough to leave reasonable doubt) but you can’t convince me that THIS isn’t blatantly criminal: https://twitter.com/realsaavedra/status/1667230645033254912?s=46&t=F2Kqdy7aScoPGAKFHNr8dQ

 

Let’s not be obtuse, this is him admitting to a crime on tape. He ignored multiple subpoenas for 2 years to turn over everything from the FBI, they literally gave him every opportunity in the world for this to just slide and go on his way. 
 

If this were you or me, we wouldn’t have even had the opportunity to hand these back over. We’d be in jail. You can’t paint trump as an innocent victim and not severely reckless, like come on 

 

Let's be real here. The Clintons have always been powerful in politics and they've been allowed more leeway than most would get away with and that's saying a lot when we got Obama as President. And we know how much conservatives/Republicans hate black/brown people in power.

[Bears01]

6 minutes ago, xDiamondx said:

Agreed.  Especially because Biden has a long history of voting against progressive policies dating back to the 90s.  He's weaker for it.

 

 

Let's be real here. The Clintons have always been powerful in politics and they've been allowed more leeway than most would get away with and that's saying a lot when we got Obama as President. And we know how much conservatives/Republicans hate black/brown people in power.

Ok, but there was still questionable evidence to bring charges against her (and I still think they should have), and she didn’t ignore multiple grand jury subpoenas for 2 years asking her to bring stuff back that didn’t belong to her. 
 

Yes, I know they wiped the evidence (that’s why I think she should have been charged, it looked like obstruction) but trump had his documents laying around out in the open, and refused multiple times to do the bare minimum of turning them over. Like…..it’s what Hillary did, but far more egregious and far worse 

[ClashAndBurn]

35 minutes ago, Bears01 said:

If this were you or me, we wouldn’t have even had the opportunity to hand these back over. We’d be in jail. You can’t paint trump as an innocent victim and not severely reckless, like come on

Exactly. If Trump isn't innocent, then Hillary isn't either. And yet different standards are applied because of party affiliation and... dare I say, allegiance to the career officials (whom the republicans call "Deep State") want for American hegemony.

 

She wasn't "willing to hand anything over." She was defiant the whole way through and called scrutiny of her malfeasance "politically motivated."

 

You may not be saying she was innocent and shouldn't have been charged, but MOST PEOPLE IN THIS VERY THREAD AND ON THIS FORUM are partisan Democrats who believe in different standards of justice for the Clintons, the Obamas and the Bidens.

Edited June 10, 2023 by ClashAndBurn

[Bears01]

1 minute ago, ClashAndBurn said:

Exactly. If Trump isn't innocent, then Hillary isn't either. And yet different standards are applied because of party affiliation and... dare I say, allegiance to the career officials (whom the republicans call "Deep State") want for American hegemony.

 

She wasn't "willing to hand anything over." She was defiant the whole way through and called scrutiny of her malfeasance "politically motivated."

I think Hillary should have been charged with obstruction, but still: Trump had control over the DOJ for 4 years, his supporters wanted Hillary indicted, and they didn’t do it. He basically nixed any further investigations into her straight up saying “eh, she’s been through enough”. 
 

Nobody to blame and too late to scream “what about”. Just like trump has nobody to blame but himself for ignoring 2 years worth of subpoenas. They blatantly didn’t want to do this, but had no choice to when he’s (possibly) giving the Saudis some of our blatant secrets and exposing to random nobodies that his administration wanted to strike Iran 

[xDiamondx]

37 minutes ago, Bears01 said:

Ok, but there was still questionable evidence to bring charges against her (and I still think they should have), and she didn’t ignore multiple grand jury subpoenas for 2 years asking her to bring stuff back that didn’t belong to her. 
 

Yes, I know they wiped the evidence (that’s why I think she should have been charged, it looked like obstruction) but trump had his documents laying around out in the open, and refused multiple times to do the bare minimum of turning them over. Like…..it’s what Hillary did, but far more egregious and far worse 

This is the difference, I think.

 

Hers is insidious because Trump was blatantly obvious about his evidence and that's why we are here.

[ClashAndBurn]

13 minutes ago, Bears01 said:

I think Hillary should have been charged with obstruction, but still: Trump had control over the DOJ for 4 years, his supporters wanted Hillary indicted, and they didn’t do it. He basically nixed any further investigations into her straight up saying “eh, she’s been through enough”. 
 

Nobody to blame and too late to scream “what about”. Just like trump has nobody to blame but himself for ignoring 2 years worth of subpoenas. They blatantly didn’t want to do this, but had no choice to when he’s (possibly) giving the Saudis some of our blatant secrets and exposing to random nobodies that his administration wanted to strike Iran 

 

19 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

You may not be saying she was innocent and shouldn't have been charged, but MOST PEOPLE IN THIS VERY THREAD AND ON THIS FORUM are partisan Democrats who believe in different standards of justice for the Clintons, the Obamas and the Bidens.

I edited my statement to include the above, but also:

 

I'm not "what about"ing now just because Trump got indicted and Hillary didn't. I've been saying this whole time that all of these criminal presidents, going all the way back to Bill Clinton and including every single one of them since, should be locked up for their war crimes, as well as their criminal conduct. And their general belief that all of them are above the law. Biden just says "no one is above the law" thinking it makes him look above the fray, but he doesn't really mean that. You can just tell it galls him that his son is even being scrutinized by law enforcement, and that he's worried about what could possibly be traced back to himself.

[Bears01]

10 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

 

I edited my statement to include the above, but also:

 

I'm not "what about"ing now just because Trump got indicted and Hillary didn't. I've been saying this whole time that all of these criminal presidents, going all the way back to Bill Clinton and including every single one of them since, should be locked up for their war crimes, as well as their criminal conduct. And their general belief that all of them are above the law. Biden just says "no one is above the law" thinking it makes him look above the fray, but he doesn't really mean that. You can just tell it galls him that his son is even being scrutinized by law enforcement, and that he's worried about what could possibly be traced back to himself.

I feel you and I don’t disagree. Clinton should have probably legit been charged for perjury (he did lie under oath). GWB should have been charged with war crimes. Obama too. Trump too (although he was definitely more overall corrupt in ways outside of what appeased the MIC) and Biden (the drone strike in Afghanistan particularly). 
 

And I wasn’t particularly mentioning just you when I said “what abouting”. It’s mainly conservatives and their go to retort. If any democrat got charged for Legit crimes and committed legit crimes, and got charged for it, then nobody should be mad about it! Hell I’d even support it (and if liberals are good with their word, they should too). 
 

I just specifically want to stick with trump since this thread is about him. His crimes are pretty blatant and pretty straightforward in this case (the NYC crimes are incredibly murky and kind of stupid). I think these crimes are maybe the most blatant and obvious ones out of all his pending cases, since there’s tapes, his own people are testifying against him, and the DOJ and FBI gave him almost 2 years of opportunity to just nip this in the bud and let it go, but him being such a moron, he couldn’t do it 

Edited June 11, 2023 by Bears01

[Assassin]

#LockHimUp

[ClashAndBurn]

1 hour ago, Bears01 said:

I just specifically want to stick with trump since this thread is about him. His crimes are pretty blatant and pretty straightforward in this case (the NYC crimes are incredibly murky and kind of stupid). I think these crimes are maybe the most blatant and obvious ones out of all his pending cases, since there’s tapes, his own people are testifying against him, and the DOJ and FBI gave him almost 2 years of opportunity to just nip this in the bud and let it go, but him being such a moron, he couldn’t do it 

I understand that, but you can't,  because his supporters will point out all the crimes that the DC insiders have blatantly gotten away with, and rightfully so. You can't really take that away from this because what did Clinton get for committing perjury (an actual crime backed by actual laws unlike the unconstitutional Espionage Act that Trump is being charged under)? Disbarment, and that was it.  His impeachment was obfuscated by liberals as being about a blowjob rather than the felony he actually was being impeached for, so his approval rating even went up even though he actually did deserve to be removed from office and imprisoned for a felony crime.

 

Most of Trump's crimes have been misdemeanors upgraded by partisan actors to more serious charges so they can gain political clout. The law in these cases isn't about upholding the law. It's about punishing Trump specifically for being Trump while Clinton, Bush, etc. have all gotten off completely for their much more serious and abhorrent breaches of justice.

 

"Classified information" charges are a joke. His actual crimes he's committed (the war crimes in Syria and elsewhere you yourself have mentioned) are ignored because they are the will of the intelligence community and MIC, and that's the part that should be focused on. But no. We're sitting here focused on pieces of paper instead of missiles and bombs and the lives they've taken.

Edited June 11, 2023 by ClashAndBurn

[lyk251]

2 hours ago, ClashAndBurn said:

I understand that, but you can't,  because his supporters will point out all the crimes that the DC insiders have blatantly gotten away with, and rightfully so. You can't really take that away from this because what did Clinton get for committing perjury (an actual crime backed by actual laws unlike the unconstitutional Espionage Act that Trump is being charged under)? Disbarment, and that was it.  His impeachment was obfuscated by liberals as being about a blowjob rather than the felony he actually was being impeached for, so his approval rating even went up even though he actually did deserve to be removed from office and imprisoned for a felony crime.

 

Most of Trump's crimes have been misdemeanors upgraded by partisan actors to more serious charges so they can gain political clout. The law in these cases isn't about upholding the law. It's about punishing Trump specifically for being Trump while Clinton, Bush, etc. have all gotten off completely for their much more serious and abhorrent breaches of justice.

 

"Classified information" charges are a joke. His actual crimes he's committed (the war crimes in Syria and elsewhere you yourself have mentioned) are ignored because they are the will of the intelligence community and MIC, and that's the part that should be focused on. But no. We're sitting here focused on pieces of paper instead of missiles and bombs and the lives they've taken.

Partisan actor? do you mean Trump ?

I remember it was misdemeanor crimes until Trump upgraded it to felony .

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-indicted-classified-documents-felony-1805561

[Sannie]

I am still not over how this would not be happening had Trump just given back the docs when the DOJ asked for them.  He still broke the law, but he would have been given a slap on the wrist at most. Malignant narcissism got him good.

 

As for Hilary, the GOP tried investigating her and so did Trump's FBI at the time. They found nothing that could stick. Possibly because she is smart enough to not be on a recording admitting to crimes lol. Intent is always the hardest part of proving a case, and they could not prove intent with HRC like they are able to do with Trump.

 

 

On 6/9/2023 at 10:16 PM, thetea said:

will anything even happen? i swear that he's constantly in the news saying he's going to be indicted, charged with crimes and was found doing illegal activities during his presidency

The indictments are very clear-cut and easy to understand. Jack Smith has so much evidence on Trump because Trump practically gave it to him because of how stupid he is. If a grand jury in FL thought there was enough evidence for 38 indictments, I have a hard time believing he is not going to be found guilty of at least a handful. Will he go to jail? I am not sure, but he will most likely become a convicted felon who cannot vote, cannot own a fire arm, cannot do a lot of things.

Edited June 11, 2023 by Sannie

[Maroonx]

8 hours ago, Assassin said:

#LockHimUp

Love how this came back to bite him in the ass. I am living for it. 

[Vermillion]

Aileen Canon likely staying on the documents case  I give her "random" appointment out of 15 judges MAJOR side-eye  

[Vroom Vroom]

47 minutes ago, Espresso said:

Aileen Canon likely staying on the documents case  I give her "random" appointment out of 15 judges MAJOR side-eye  

In the long run it will be good that a Trump appointed judge in Florida is on this case. The evidence is so damning that even a Trump judge can’t save him. 
 

The bad thing is that every time Trump’s team asks for a delay, she will grant it. With her, I don’t see the trial starting until after the election. 

[Vermillion]

Trump's Georgia speech after the indictment  That it could actually be cited in concurrent charges  I'm so tired

[Sannie]

4 hours ago, Espresso said:

Trump's Georgia speech after the indictment  That it could actually be cited in concurrent charges  I'm so tired

And when he is indicted in the GA Fulton County case.  

[Vroom Vroom]

Just ran into a YouTube video discussing the 2024 presidential election. The guy in the video was definitely a republican. He was talking about how Trump is going to win the popular vote by a lot and win Arizona, Nevada, Georgia and Wisconsin. He then spoke about New Mexico flipping 

In the comments anyone that slightly disagreed was called a Doomer. They even dragged people that said Trump would win the election but lose the popular vote. 
 

It is more than a year away and I just want it to be over already 

 

Edit: Meant to put that in the election thread 

Edited June 11, 2023 by Vroom Vroom

[slik]

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