Nights Posted June 8, 2023 Posted June 8, 2023 1 hour ago, waylon4ever said: My college forgiveness plan: No more gender studies, no more liberal arts, art history, culinary arts…etc College tuition will be capped at 40,000 for highest degrees No professor may make more than $90,000/year Get rid of the classes that have no bearing on the degree, and focus on the classes that will knock a few years off the college years. I really do think that these would tank the outcomes of the US education system hard. Would literally cheapen the product instead of making the same quality product more affordable (which is much more difficult to do and admittedly I have little suggestion on how it can be achieved).
Communion Posted June 8, 2023 Posted June 8, 2023 1 hour ago, waylon4ever said: My college forgiveness plan: No more gender studies, no more liberal arts, art history, culinary arts…etc This is such an insanely anti-poor talking point given that those who are disproportionately poor with student debt don't even largely go to liberal arts colleges. They go to trade schools like instructed! You've found a cause in your head that evidence doesn't support.
Bethenny Frankel Posted June 8, 2023 Posted June 8, 2023 At least Biden is standing by this, maybe SCOTUS will actually rule for it considering some of their recent decisions with Conservatives joining the Liberals on the court.
AMIT Posted June 8, 2023 Posted June 8, 2023 this is such a shady move by him and people praising him for it because they are desperate to see their president that they stan for like as if he's pop girl in a good light. banks can fail over and over again and just get bailed out with a pat on the back, yet this situation which affects millions of people is dealt with many jumps and hoops and people acting like this is a good move by him. students deserve better, you americans deserve better, stop taking scraps from right-wing politicians and actually DEMAND what you were promised in exchange for your vote ffs. 4
xDiamondx Posted June 8, 2023 Posted June 8, 2023 10 hours ago, Pheromosa said: What’s going to happen when everyone defaults Nothing. That's the point, they just want the population in perpetual debt.
WBTlove Posted June 12, 2023 Posted June 12, 2023 (edited) On 6/8/2023 at 11:41 AM, AMIT said: students deserve better, you Americans deserve better, stop taking scraps from right-wing politicians and actually DEMAND what you were promised in exchange for your vote ffs. I can't imagine being this obsessed about the domestic politics of a foreign country. Biden never promised to waive student debt all together when he ran. He actively criticized those plans as irresponsible and run on a much smaller forgiveness platform which he's delivering on Maybe educate yourself on US politics if you are gonna comment on it and downvote people. Edited June 12, 2023 by WBTlove 1
Communion Posted June 12, 2023 Posted June 12, 2023 13 minutes ago, WBTlove said: Yes, poor us Americans truly are the most wretched people on earth. If only we can have the rise our standard of living to be more like Africa, Latin America, Asia & Europe. *nervous laughter*
ClashAndBurn Posted June 12, 2023 Posted June 12, 2023 19 minutes ago, WBTlove said: Yes, poor us Americans truly are the most wretched people on earth. If only we can have the rise our standard of living to be more like Africa, Latin America, Asia, Oceania & Europe. You mean.. .the countries we pillaged and raped to gain our status and quality of life? The countries we've destabilized through sanctions regimes and attempted coups? And in the case of Europe, the countries whose defense we subsidize through NATO so they don't have to spend anywhere near as much and can easily afford to provide universal healthcare while thousands of Americans die every year under a privatized disaster that the most liberal party wants to preserve in its current mediocre and abhorrent form. It's... grotesque that you're defending it
WBTlove Posted June 12, 2023 Posted June 12, 2023 (edited) 16 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: You mean.. .the countries we pillaged and raped to gain our status and quality of life? The countries we've destabilized through sanctions regimes and attempted coups? And in the case of Europe, the countries whose defense we subsidize through NATO so they don't have to spend anywhere near as much and can easily afford to provide universal healthcare while thousands of Americans die every year under a privatized disaster that the most liberal party wants to preserve in its current mediocre and abhorrent form. It's... grotesque that you're defending it Personally, I have a platinum healthcare, dental & vision plan so public healthcare is a HARD PASS. I understand the media and the left have successfully defamed the "US healthcare system". But when people personally interact with our healthcare system, they have no issue with it. Edited June 12, 2023 by WBTlove
Communion Posted June 12, 2023 Posted June 12, 2023 5 minutes ago, WBTlove said: Personally, I have a platinum healthcare, dental & vision plan so public healthcare is a HARD PASS. *nervous laugh*
WBTlove Posted June 13, 2023 Posted June 13, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Communion said: *nervous laughter* No disrespect but the entire world elite send their children to get educated in the UK & US so these prices are a fair valuation of the value of those degree. Their universities have unmatched WW reputation. Even your favorite leader: XI sent his daughter to be educated here even in the midst of our COVID debacle & trade war. That tells me everything I need to know about the value of a US degree. A degree from UCLA opens doors in EVERY COUNTRY ON EARTH. The same can’t be said about any degree from Colombia, France, Austria or Italy. 🤷🏿♂️ Edited June 13, 2023 by WBTlove
Communion Posted June 13, 2023 Posted June 13, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, WBTlove said: No disrespect but the entire world elite send their children *psst* that's the problem sis. America is so rich for everyone but its own poorest citizens. You know poor people exist, right? Edited June 13, 2023 by Communion
WBTlove Posted June 13, 2023 Posted June 13, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Communion said: *psst* that's the problem sis. America is so rich for everyone but its own poorest citizens. You know poor people exist, right? Yet the US has one of the highest rate of college educated people in the entire world. Make it make sense! The Top 10 Most-Educated Countries (OECD 2018) Canada — 56.27% Japan — 50.50% Israel — 49.90% South Korea — 46.86% United Kingdom — 45.96% United States — 45.67% Australia — 43.74% Finland — 43.60% Norway — 43.02% Luxembourg — 42.86% https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/most-educated-countries In the West, Canada is only ahead of the USA because of its discriminatory immigration system which basically forbids non college degree immigrants. Edited June 13, 2023 by WBTlove
Communion Posted June 13, 2023 Posted June 13, 2023 1 minute ago, WBTlove said: Yet the US has one of the highest rate of college educated people in the entire world. Yes, while also having one of the most indebted educated populations:
WBTlove Posted June 13, 2023 Posted June 13, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Communion said: Yes, while also having one of the most indebted educated populations: It’s called an investment & it has clearly paid off as US households enjoy the highest net worth of a major economy on earth as per Credit Suisse. Edited June 13, 2023 by WBTlove
Communion Posted June 13, 2023 Posted June 13, 2023 6 minutes ago, WBTlove said: It’s called an investment & it has clearly paid off For whom?
Vespertine Posted June 13, 2023 Posted June 13, 2023 On 6/8/2023 at 7:24 AM, waylon4ever said: My college forgiveness plan: No more gender studies, no more liberal arts, art history, culinary arts…etc lol this is insanely ignorant. Art history is quite literally the history of all human civilization and achievement (including humans before recorded/written history). Every building you have ever step foot in is the product of a long history of architecture and design, and someone who studied them. Every product and object and piece of furniture and piece of clothing you use every single day is the end result of the history of art and design, and someone who studied them. Every piece of culture you consume — from music to visual art to television to films to books — comes from the history of art. That’s not even getting into the fact that the fine art industry is a multi-billion dollar industry that employees many thousands (if not millions) of people and drives tourism around the world. You’re an idiot.
WBTlove Posted June 13, 2023 Posted June 13, 2023 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Communion said: For whom? I’d like to know what you think black people life is like in other countries We know we’ll be treated worst than everybody else . We don’t expect anything less from any country. Sadly, despite the disparity you highlighted, Black Americans are still wealthier than black Africans, black Caribbean, black Europeans and black Latinos. & Latin Americans vote with their feet everyday. Edited June 13, 2023 by WBTlove
Communion Posted June 13, 2023 Posted June 13, 2023 15 minutes ago, WBTlove said: I’d like to know what you think black people life is like in other countries This is a fallacy. Inaction over student debt is not a logical or fathomable solution to the disproportional wealth that some* Americans enjoy. If you're concerned about wealth the US hoards, then you'd be supporting action to end various sanctions and trade agreements that see the US profit off of continued exported labor. Rich Americans disproportionately are able to attain education with little-to-no debt. Poor Americans are forced to a kind of modern serfdom that nullifies the proclaimed purpose of higher education, which is upward mobility. *And the way race impacts these realities cannot be understated, aka why black-identifying immigrants within America have a higher median income and rate of educational attainment than US-born black Americans. If you're concerned about those outside of the US, are you calling for changes to immigration law that de-prioritizes wealth and "skilled" labor? The US doesn't open its door to the world's poorest. It opens its borders most often via modern immigration policy to the world's richest, which is how the below comes about: No one is buying these fallacies to defend Biden if he fucks up. Student debt relief is most popular amongst black American voters, with millions citing it as their reason for voting in both the 2020 general election and the 2022 midterms. And it makes sense why. We should probably make sure it happens if we actually care about winning elections. You of course can disagree, but the base of the Democratic party has agreed that student debt relief is crucial to income equality and are expecting Biden to find some way to do it or else.
ClashAndBurn Posted June 13, 2023 Posted June 13, 2023 12 minutes ago, Communion said: This is a fallacy. Inaction over student debt is not a logical or fathomable solution to the disproportional wealth that some* Americans enjoy. If you're concerned about wealth the US hoards, then you'd be supporting action to end various sanctions and trade agreements that see the US profit off of continued exported labor. Rich Americans disproportionately are able to attain education with little-to-no debt. Poor Americans are forced to a kind of modern serfdom that nullifies the proclaimed purpose of higher education, which is upward mobility. *And the way race impacts these realities cannot be understated, aka why black-identifying immigrants within America have a higher median income and rate of educational attainment than US-born black Americans. If you're concerned about those outside of the US, are you calling for changes to immigration law that de-prioritizes wealth and "skilled" labor? The US doesn't open its door to the world's poorest. It opens its borders most often via modern immigration policy to the world's richest, which is how the below comes about: No one is buying these fallacies to defend Biden if he fucks up. Student debt relief is most popular amongst black American voters, with millions citing it as their reason for voting in both the 2020 general election and the 2022 midterms. And it makes sense why. We should probably make sure it happens if we actually care about winning elections. You of course can disagree, but the base of the Democratic party has agreed that student debt relief is crucial to income equality and are expecting Biden to find some way to do it or else. ...This guy is a dupe of that Mariah stanning hospitality manager that fired his workers for getting sick with COVID... right? I mean, dddddddddd, they speak with the exact same contempt for the poor, so
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