NEUTRON Posted October 4, 2023 Posted October 4, 2023 On 6/7/2023 at 8:27 AM, lonnie said: I think, as others have mentioned, it has more to do with stricter terms of what's considered R&B. Ariana Grande, The Weeknd, Justin Bieber etc wouldn't be considered R&B because their music mostly incorporates elements and isn't really R&B. Just like Avril Lavigne and Kelly Clarkson music might not be and aren't considered rock. Hell, even African American artists like Whitney Houston are still not considered R&B due to a portion of her music being mostly pop. The Weeknd would definitely be considered R&B. He didnt really shift into pop until "Feel My Face" and even still.
Wicked Posted October 4, 2023 Posted October 4, 2023 On 6/7/2023 at 6:09 AM, Shimenawa said: You need to be able to sing Not in 2023
MoonGoodandHappy Posted October 4, 2023 Posted October 4, 2023 (edited) On 6/7/2023 at 12:10 PM, MonsterNavy said: because 99.9% of the time only black people can pull it off effortlessly. they just have the natural charisma and coolness to it not to mention vocals when white people do it its just and most of the time they sound very poppy and never really commits to it What you just say is called racism. And the worst thing is that you will get away with it. Repeat with me "every humans is different and a color doesnt define you." Edited October 4, 2023 by MoonGoodandHappy 1
Wicked Posted October 4, 2023 Posted October 4, 2023 On 6/7/2023 at 5:58 AM, lonnie said: Unlike the other genres of music pioneered by Black Americans: jazz, rock, dance, soul, blues, disco, even rap to an extent, RnB has remained predominantly Black. In that it is mostly Black artists who do well with the genre, win awards in the categories at major award shows, as opposed to a genre like house which is now predominantly white. When was Soul not predominately Black? Anyway, this is going to happen to R&B lol, these things come in waves, and when it gets down to it when R&B is the new hot thing (again), because of how watered down the modern stylings of the genre are it's going to be fairly easy for anyone to do it to great success. There has been a consistent feel and groove to R&B through its times/subgenres (whether it's Funk, Soul, Contemporary R&B, etc.). There has always been a element to the vocal stylings that remained from Blues & Jazz traditions; that is now gone and no longer en vogue/profitable (Summer Walker literally mentioned this on Caresha Please), that blank is being filled by people who aren't even Black, like Yebba. The productions also consistently had a groove to it that no longer exists. That's why Hip Hop is the child of R&B music, and it was extremely easy for things like New Jack Swing & Hip Hop Soul to happen because the genres all infer each other (except now that's a detriment to R&B). To make it short and answer your question, a combination of the style of the music, peoples aversion to those stylings & it's not very profitable. I've read several times on this board alone that Aretha Franklin, Jodeci and Marvin Gaye "sound too Black" and they got turned off from listening. Things nobody says about someone like Justin Timberlake even though he's spent his career trying to emulate that style. The white artists who have dabbled to greatest success have always made it palatable to the masses, we are now doing it for them lmfao. When we accept people who shall not be named, you can't really complain after that. R&B hasn't had it's Kenny G just yet, but the way things are going its inevitable Jazz and Blues in particular were exported and although had to deal with being called jungle music and "nonsense" by popular musicologists at the time, even now Jazz is still heavily identified with Black Americans, as is Blues. Rock music is a whole other can of worms. But I don't really feel confident about genres lasting anymore anyway, and y'all call any and everything R&B which is doing more of a disservice to it in the long run. Globalization and the ease which people can enter public consciousness there's going to be more and more blurring of lines, misapplied history among other things.
Jamie Starr Posted June 19 Posted June 19 (edited) On 10/3/2023 at 11:38 PM, Wicked said: To make it short and answer your question, a combination of the style of the music, peoples aversion to those stylings & it's not very profitable. I've read several times on this board alone that Aretha Franklin, Jodeci and Marvin Gaye "sound too Black" and they got turned off from listening. Things nobody says about someone like Justin Timberlake even though he's spent his career trying to emulate that style. The white artists who have dabbled to greatest success have always made it palatable to the masses, we are now doing it for them lmfao. When we accept people who shall not be named, you can't really complain after that. R&B hasn't had it's Kenny G just yet, but the way things are going its inevitable Jazz and Blues in particular were exported and although had to deal with being called jungle music and "nonsense" by popular musicologists at the time, even now Jazz is still heavily identified with Black Americans, as is Blues. Rock music is a whole other can of worms. I've seen it twice here and it was as if "sounding black" scared them, which says more about the listener than it does the music itself. Edited June 19 by Jamie Starr 1
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