Communion Posted June 5, 2023 Posted June 5, 2023 (edited) https://twitter.com/CornelWest/status/1665743761551548416 https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1665847262310813696 https://www.cornelwest24.com/ Edited June 14, 2023 by Communion 2
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted June 5, 2023 ATRL Moderator Posted June 5, 2023 Huh, interesting. I like Cornel West a lot so I’m curious to see how he runs his campaign.
GraceRandolph Posted June 5, 2023 Posted June 5, 2023 I would’ve preferred him challenging Biden in the Democratic primary. I just don’t think we can realistically elect a People’s Party candidate when they can’t even make the debate stage. I’d vote for Cornel West over Biden in a general election since I live in a red state.
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted June 5, 2023 ATRL Moderator Posted June 5, 2023 5 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: I would’ve preferred him challenging Biden in the Democratic primary. I just don’t think we can realistically elect a People’s Party candidate when they can’t even make the debate stage. I’d vote for Cornel West over Biden in a general election since I live in a red state. Yeah I kinda agree. There’s value in 3rd parties of course. But they’re heavily stifled by the way voting is done in the US. If we had ranked choice voting, they’d be much more viable. It would be cool to see West challenge Biden in a primary. 1
50thStateofMind Posted June 6, 2023 Posted June 6, 2023 until a 3rd party actually gains traction, this will only take away dem votes and make it easier for reps to win.
Communion Posted June 6, 2023 Author Posted June 6, 2023 4 minutes ago, 50thStateofMind said: this will only take away dem votes Guess Joe's gonna have to put some work in for them votes now.
50thStateofMind Posted June 6, 2023 Posted June 6, 2023 Just now, Communion said: Guess Joe's gonna have to put some work in for them votes now. wish he'd just drop out and endorse someone we actually want
ClashAndBurn Posted June 6, 2023 Posted June 6, 2023 I like him better than any of the candidates running, but even without him running for the joke that is the People's Party, he's the longest shot of any of them. Well... maybe except for Marianne.
Sawk Posted June 6, 2023 Posted June 6, 2023 I’d love to see him win, but socialist as a term completely eliminates him from having a chance unfortunately, gringos see that word and they FLIP OUT
RunUpDoneUp Posted June 6, 2023 Posted June 6, 2023 What a genuinely stupid decision. If it was beneath Bernie, it's beneath you, Cornel.
ATRL Administrator Ryan Posted June 6, 2023 ATRL Administrator Posted June 6, 2023 Win a mayorship, county executive, state legislature, state senate or governorship first so people can point to your slate of accomplishments so they don’t fear the “socialist” label before running for office with no record. Yikes.
ClashAndBurn Posted June 6, 2023 Posted June 6, 2023 19 minutes ago, Ryan said: Win a mayorship, county executive, state legislature, state senate or governorship first so people can point to your slate of accomplishments so they don’t fear the “socialist” label before running for office with no record. Yikes. Question: Why is it that Joe Biden comes off as such a weak incumbent that even longshots with zero hope like Marianne Williamson and Cornel West can see blood in the water?
ATRL Administrator Ryan Posted June 6, 2023 ATRL Administrator Posted June 6, 2023 10 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: Question: Why is it that Joe Biden comes off as such a weak incumbent that even longshots with zero hope like Marianne Williamson and Cornel West can see blood in the water? Question: Why is it that you people seem hellbent on supporting candidates with no record of success or failure, with no experience in government on any level, and think they can win a national campaign when they can’t even win local/county/state elections?
ClashAndBurn Posted June 6, 2023 Posted June 6, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Ryan said: Question: Why is it that you people seem hellbent on supporting candidates with no record of success or failure, with no experience in government on any level, and think they can win a national campaign when they can’t even win local/county/state elections? Genuinely, I've never said I support either Williamson or West running their doomed campaigns. If anything, it gives Biden and the Democrats an excuse to point to if they don't win, rather than owning up to their failures (which as the reaction to 2016 showed us, they never will anyway). Biden should be allowed to fail on his own merits. Which, given how weak he is, he has an exceedingly high likelihood of doing so. Edited June 6, 2023 by ClashAndBurn
ATRL Administrator Ryan Posted June 6, 2023 ATRL Administrator Posted June 6, 2023 2 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: Genuinely, I've never said I support either Williamson or West running their doomed campaigns. If anything, it gives Biden and the Democrats an excuse to point to if they don't win, rather than owning up to their failures (which as the reaction to 2016 showed us, they never will anyway). Biden should be allowed to fail on his own merits. Which, given how weak he is, he will. Yes. Oh weak Biden. He should step aside so someone stronger can win. Hopefully it’s someone who inspires people!
ClashAndBurn Posted June 6, 2023 Posted June 6, 2023 Just now, Ryan said: Yes. Oh weak Biden. He should step aside so someone stronger can win. Hopefully it’s someone who inspires people! I don't think he should necessarily step aside. The reality is, the entire rest of the Democratic Party's bench is even weaker and even more grotesquely unpopular. Kamala Harris? Dead woman walking (politically of course!) when she's inevitably coronated in 2028. The Democratic Party just needs to accept what cards they've dealt us: an empty husk of a man that can't walk, can't speak, and can't work longer than 6 hours a day before calling a lid on contact with the press at 4PM.
ATRL Administrator Ryan Posted June 6, 2023 ATRL Administrator Posted June 6, 2023 9 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: I don't think he should necessarily step aside. The reality is, the entire rest of the Democratic Party's bench is even weaker and even more grotesquely unpopular. Kamala Harris? Dead woman walking (politically of course!) when she's inevitably coronated in 2028. The Democratic Party just needs to accept what cards they've dealt us: an empty husk of a man that can't walk, can't speak, and can't work longer than 6 hours a day before calling a lid on contact with the press at 4PM. I don’t think anyone under the age of 40 is genuinely excited for Biden. We know the reality we’re facing and no one on the left wants a repeat of the Trump Administration. Biden isn’t the one people want, but he’s the only option that legitimately stands a shot at thwarting Trump (who will win the nomination). I can’t afford to be idealistic. The reality is someone actively trying to make our lives miserable versus someone who isn’t great but isn’t the most terrible either. It’s a pragmatic approach.
ClashAndBurn Posted June 6, 2023 Posted June 6, 2023 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Ryan said: I don’t think anyone under the age of 40 is genuinely excited for Biden. We know the reality we’re facing and no one on the left wants a repeat of the Trump Administration. Biden isn’t the one people want, but he’s the only option that legitimately stands a shot at thwarting Trump (who will win the nomination). I can’t afford to be idealistic. The reality is someone actively trying to make our lives miserable versus someone who isn’t great but isn’t the most terrible either. It’s a pragmatic approach. Pragmatism is fine. Biden is the only pragmatic and realistic choice for all the reasons I mentioned. But "not being Trump" wasn't enough for Hillary in an election that wasn't marred by COVID. And with things deteriorating economically as inflation refuses to cool down and the Fed continues to raise interest rates in response, putting us in danger of a recession... It's hard not to see a potential repeat of 2016 where cultural resentment won the day. What's going to happen when Biden can't run for president anymore anyway? The Republicans won't stop being a fascist disaster, and the Democrats won't have anyone electable lined up. They have no stars. No bench. They arguably didn't in 2020 either, with Biden literally having to be called out of retirement. Four more years of... this isn't going to save us. Especially when Kamala's up against DeSantis or whomever else in '28. In fact, the current state of stagnation probably leads to more Senate seats being permanently lost with Republicans being relatively close to a filibuster-proof majority. Edited June 6, 2023 by ClashAndBurn
Communion Posted June 6, 2023 Author Posted June 6, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, Ryan said: with no experience in government on any level Come on. This is unnecessarily insulting to Dr. West's literal decades of activism. The apparatus of politics exists far beyond electoralism and being an elected official. Literally at every point in history Biden found himself on the wrong side of said history, Cornel West would have found himself on the right side of history. One cannot berate and scold people into voting for a Democrat. That's objectively why Hillary lost. Why do Democrats want to lose so badly that they're only running on a campaign appealing to right-wingers? Why doesn't Biden easily adopt a popular policy like M4A if Dems are worried about progressive defecting? Edited June 6, 2023 by Communion
WBTlove Posted June 6, 2023 Posted June 6, 2023 (edited) Not this Obama-ossessed racist Edited June 6, 2023 by WBTlove
arceus Posted June 6, 2023 Posted June 6, 2023 No thanks. My vote is reserved for the ultimate choice
Harrier Posted June 6, 2023 Posted June 6, 2023 Cornel is welcome to do what he wants. It's a democracy. I do hope that his campaign can help move Biden left in some way along with Marianne and I prefer progressives to do something as opposed to what Bernie, AOC, Liz Warren etc seem to be doing right now. But progressives that actually do vote for him in swing states in Nov 2024, rather than merely threatening to do so, would be making a tremendous mistake. That much is obvious. Trump/Desantis are not worth a quick lil W against corporate dems. I hope that people play it right and ultimately choose to use their votes strategically instead of basing it on emotion. That's how we should view voting, as one part of a strategy to move things leftward - not this absurd moral thing where we can only vote for candidates that completely align with our views. Hell that's certainly how I vote in my country.
Communion Posted June 6, 2023 Author Posted June 6, 2023 43 minutes ago, Harrier said: I hope that people play it right and ultimately choose to use their votes strategically What's not strategic about voting for a person who says they support M4A while both Democrats and Republicans refuse to support M4A? How do you teach a politician that M4A is a necessary policy if they don't have to fear ever losing your vote for not supporting it?
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