poll ATRL Decides: Is Ice Spice really the one?

[DawnAnti]

She is not a great pf a rapper but she is still in her debut so she has things to learn but her voice is pleasing to the ears and she sounds refreshing so i can see why she is so hyped and ofc she is cute so 

[Dreajae]

1 hour ago, FOCK said:

I mean, that’s all perspective. 

Ice owns her publishing & gets a bigger cut of her own work. Her music has taken off without the need to sign predatory contracts, nor a quick label “pump n dump” deal that’ll have her broke & in debt to a white CEO for the majority of her career peak. Her videos aren’t high budget or exorbitantly flashy either. What she’s pulling with her small team is going straight to her pockets. 
 

You can guarantee she made more off that Princess Diana “debut week” alone, than any of her peers have off their Grammy wins or payola #1s, if we’re talking music, & she’s even catching up to them with more lucrative brand deals & fashion co-signs. The Barbz may only be good for a “debut week” as you say, but brand loyalty & consistency trumps all, ultimately. And it’s that same consistency that’s allowed Nicki to be the only female rapper to tour the world 3 times & remain as relevant as she is 15 years in. It’s unprecedented & Ice is following that print successfully, thus far. A top 5 debut week is also nothing to scoff at in the female rap genre. 
 

To say Ice has nothing but TikToks and memes at this stage, is just wilful ignorance or a misguided judgement based on nothing but social media & chart optics, that I guess are fun for a stan war, but ultimately hold little weight to the individual artist in terms of compensation & public sentiment irl. She hasn’t even released her debut album yet. 
 

I mean, these are simply digs at other female rappers who we're preyed on for their record contracts. It's not their fault. And you cant reasonably argue that Ice is making more money than some of the other girls with their bags, branding and endorsements. But good for Ice Spice for starting off better than most. 

 

We're talking about the music and sustainability as an artist. The campaign has been strong and inorganic with this girl. You can't take a dig at payola and #1s when its clear her team has tried their hardest with BIAL II, PD and now Karma.

[Dreajae]

56 minutes ago, Abel Minaj said:

You're right about the solo thing but give her a chance. She's building that buzz because she's aiming for the big leagues. She's definitely a big draw for these songs. She made Boys a liar a hit, that Pinkpanthress chick is NOT going anywhere after it dies down. Yes the Barbs carried Princess Diana, it looks GREAT on Ice's resume. This Taylor song will be another big cosign and the exposure from Taylor's audience is huge on it's own. Now add the controversy surrounding it where she's at the center of it and has no wrong doing in it.... That is publicity GOLD. They know exactly what they are doing and it shows you why she's the one to watch.

I mean, yall yield and say "give her a chance" but yall move too quick with trying to discredit the other rap girls to uphold her.

 

So far all yall have is that this girl is an image with heavy backing and advantages other girls did not have. Like it or not, Cardi had to go on LHH to get that initial buzz. Some of those scenes were straight t low budget. But then she had buzz with Bodak Yellow before a label got really behind it. And its one of the fastest tracks for a woman to go Diamond. Hard to "payola" that kind of success. It legit worked if true.

 

So far there's nothing to prove that Ice Spice is leading the category. Just vibes and taking advantage of the other girls taking a break. 

[sourprint]

YES.

 

girly has beauty, talent and charisma which leads to a v likeable combo so it's no wonder she's that big, on top of that she reps ny so i gotta stan, OISH gotta find somebody else to hate on cause girly is here to STAY and me thinks she already has the best new artist grammy secured

 

ice spice is the future ! stay mad hos 

[Vrx.]

Sadly I don’t think so 

Her success is dependent solely on her producer. A Cassie tea 

[mxoonlight]

She’s definitely moved past meme status in the zeitgeist and will be remembered fondly, but I feel like you can’t judge off of rookie eras anymore to know if anyone has staying power.

[popularmoonlight]

5 hours ago, Mordecai said:

I really don't know why people think Ice Spice is gonna be the next big female rapper (which seems to be something that is always said when some girl gets a tik tok rap hit ). She is nowhere on the level Cardi was at when she first blew up and she's still in tik tok fad territory. She's collabing with some big names so she might get some momentum but she'll probably just fizzle out with her solo material like Normani. What she does have going for her though is she is quite memeable (like Cardi and Doja) so if she's clever she could make a name for herself that way by leaning into it

MTE.  I really don't know, but as a Normani stan I'm just getting these vibes too. Her push has been huge and I don't know if they'll work for her favour in the long time game. I guess we need to wait and see what happens when she decides to try some solo smashes + release a debut album. But she's nowhere near Cardi, Doja, Meghan, etc.

[TYMPS]

Lol does she even have a 3 minute song? 

 

Absolutely the **** not; worse than cardi  

[CottageHore]

I don’t get the hype. Her flow is basic and her raps are very boring. I really think it’s her look with the orange hair and how signature it is but who am I to judge? I don’t know much about rap music and what constitutes “good” or not.  

[theweekend]

4 hours ago, FOCK said:

This. Plus she’s young, isn’t enshrouded in personal drama, bogged down by label issues, or popping out babies any time soon. She’s in the best position to cultivate an audience that grows with her & maintains momentum. Based on how strategically she’s choosing to move, she’s playing her cards right. 

this is what I can see from her. actually she doesn't get polarized between cardi x nicki drama and this benefits her a lot not to be involved in negative social engagement.

 

she's good. I hope she can stay around and have a solid career!

[Theshigo Washidu]

The delusion in here 

[liquiddiamonds]

8 hours ago, Abel Minaj said:

Ice spice is bringing branding, marketing, and strategy. She's in her Beam me up Scotty come up era right now. When her debut comes out, it's going to be one hell of an era.

I agree. She has Lil Nas X crossover potential with the right investment. She already has everything you mentioned. She just needs to be smart with her limited skill and compensate with artistic vision for an era just like Cardi did

Edited May 27, 2023 by liquiddiamonds

[liquiddiamonds]

The moves she’s been making are huge btw she’s already setting herself as the pick crossover female rapper. This did wonders for Nicki’s career during her debut days. Both Cardi and Megan are massive with their rap songs and audiences, but their pop crossover features can be hit and miss, especially for the later (we will see with the new record contract). Doja rarely collaborates for a pop star, otherwise she would’ve eaten with ease. Doechii is still struggling on the come up. I don’t see it for Glo, JT or Latto as pop rappers and Coi is having difficulties following Players with something else just like Saweetie before her. Ice is really taking advantage of these vacancies and building her brand right there. She might own a year and disappear, but the industry is truly behind her right now. She will fade only if she continues to serve the same old and people get tired of it

Edited May 27, 2023 by liquiddiamonds

[Xtina23]

Nope, next!

[Bhabylon]

I’ve liked everything she’s released up until Karma — that’s her first objective dud

 

She should be selective about her collabs. If her verses aren’t up to a certain standard it’s gonna take some shine off of the facade 

[Abel Minaj]

3 hours ago, liquiddiamonds said:

I agree. She has Lil Nas X crossover potential with the right investment. She already has everything you mentioned. She just needs to be smart with her limited skill and compensate with artistic vision for an era just like Cardi did

 

3 hours ago, liquiddiamonds said:

The moves she’s been making are huge btw she’s already setting herself as the pick crossover female rapper. This did wonders for Nicki’s career during her debut days. Both Cardi and Megan are massive with their rap songs and audiences, but their pop crossover features can be hit and miss, especially for the later (we will see with the new record contract). Doja rarely collaborates for a pop star, otherwise she would’ve eaten with ease. Doechii is still struggling on the come up. I don’t see it for Glo, JT or Latto as pop rappers and Coi is having difficulties following Players with something else just like Saweetie before her. Ice is really taking advantage of these vacancies and building her brand right there. She might own a year and disappear, but the industry is truly behind her right now. She will fade only if she continues to serve the same old and people get tired of it

I have no doubts whatsoever that her debut will planned and carefully crafted and immaculately executed. The people who don't see it for her don't understand that she is in a EP/mixtape era and has managed to already crossover. This would be like if Nicki broke through with her first mixtape. It's hitting a home run the very first time you swing a bat. There was clearly a strategy and it has worked. That's why she's gotten so much attention from the industry, they know she's a force to be reckoned with. Give her the big label budget and just sit back and watch.

[Artist]

She has the formula for success. It's all about what she does with it. She's just there which can make you a star or make you forgotten. Her sound is her sound and people are gravitating towards it. She's a storyteller for people who want to be different and it's sticking. She'll be fine as long as she has a pulse on what vibe people are looking for. Instead of being fixed on like or dislike, we have to understand if there's a space for a musician and right now there's space Ice Spice.

 

Who else is doing commercial rap with a twist (sound) that's new? ATRL seems fixed on talent when the real world just cares if they like you, can vibe to your music and make good memories. History has shown us raw talent isn't it. Most of our faves aren't even that talented.. you could find better singers in a public square 

 

Merci

[Kiss It Better]

16 hours ago, sourprint said:

beauty, talent and charisma

is this beauty talent and charisma in the room with us right now? cause it's (esp. the latter) obviously didn't show up in karma music video 

[professor2000]

12 hours ago, liquiddiamonds said:

I agree. She has Lil Nas X crossover potential with the right investment. She already has everything you mentioned. She just needs to be smart with her limited skill and compensate with artistic vision for an era just like Cardi did

She’s not nearly as controversial/interesting though…so she’s gonna need to crank that up if she’s hoping for LNX success.  
 

And this is coming from someone who likes her EP.  He also has/had more charisma, imo.  
 

The “Feelin Myself” moment in the PD video kind of solidified that for me.  Charisma was missing in that moment, especially compared to when Bey/Nicki did it.  It didn’t feel the same.  Idk…hard to explain.  
 

But I agree here with the last few posts…her setup/rollout is PERECT.  And the album era rollout probably will be too.  But again…it’s only but so much collabs/opportunities can do. 

[reymiu]

On 5/26/2023 at 8:07 PM, FOCK said:

Essentially. She’s carved out a unique lane, a distinct image & is marketing herself exceptionally well to a younger generation. She’s relatable, well spoken, cool in her demeanour, has an underdog vibe you want to root for, doesn’t try too hard, a bisexual icon, has introduced new lingo & “isms” that resonate with the culture, & stays true to herself, regardless of how online critics feel about it. Her authenticity just clicks. 
 

Her fanbase are also essentially Barbz, and she’s been wise to understand what labels like Atlantic didn’t. Nicki has the majority market share of female rap fans, that’s just the reality & it’s evident in the career outcomes & longevity (or lack thereof) of those who alienated that majority. 
 

She’s writing her own material & reaching incredible heights on the back of an EP at the moment. She has so much room to grow & the banger hooks & choruses that will no doubt be thrown her way soon, will only catapult her further. 

Girl she can't rap like Nicki 

[reymiu]

23 hours ago, Abel Minaj said:

Yes she's here and she's up next. Everything that you all are saying are the the very same things that were said about Cardi. What you all aren't seeing is the branding and networking that's at play. She's got a look, lingo, and sound already established. She's making serious moves and the people are clicking with it. This is literally a perfect combination of Nicki's and Cardi's come up. You can say she's a talentless plant all you want but that's not changing the fact that its working. 

 

On top of that, let's not pretend that Cardi isn't completely stagnant right now and has been in decline since Up. She's been around for 6 years, her prime as a mainstream artist is almost over. When Nicki was at this point in her career, the hate train was right around the corner. The GP, the music climate, and music industry are ready for some new blood and Ice Spice is clearly the one they want. 

Cardi got the EAR for hits. She is like Rihanna in that sense - let's see if Ice Spice has that ability too

[FOCK]

19 minutes ago, reymiu said:

Girl she can't rap like Nicki 

Of course not, no one’s touching Nicki, ever. 

What I meant was, she’s taking notes & isn’t flubbing the bag like others did for a quick win, 15 min blog relevance or a hot summer. She’s being strategic, tempered & forging her own path. 

The industry is about much more than raw talent, regardless of opinions on her artistry or approach. She’s marketable & enigmatic. And just earned the biggest Spotify streaming debut for a female rapper ever, with the Karma remix, speaking of “ear for hits”.

 

Edited May 27, 2023 by FOCK

[Before Today]

I don't get the hate tbh. Yeah she's not that great of a rapper, but her personality is nice and I think she has the potential star power. I'm more surprised by how she completely overshadowed PinkPantheress tbh because if we wanna talk about talent, she does have it. Girl produces her own music and has a more unique sound compared to Ice Spice.

[reymiu]

4 minutes ago, FOCK said:

Of course not, no one’s touching Nicki, ever. 

What I meant was, she’s taking notes & isn’t flubbing the bag like others did for a quick win, 15 min blog relevance or a hot summer. She’s being strategic, tempered & forging her own path. 

The industry is about much more than raw talent, regardless of opinions on her artistry or approach. She’s marketable & enigmatic. And just earned the biggest Spotify streaming debut for a female rapper ever, with the Karma remix, speaking of “ear for hits”.

 

I mean your post was that she's having Nicki fanbase support. Big reason why ppl love Nicki is because of her skills. The Nicki fans might enjoy Ice Spice st the start, but if she doesn't deliver like Nicki they are not going to support her in the long run (That's my point, sry for not typing all this in 1st post)

 

[FOCK]

1 minute ago, reymiu said:

I mean your post was that she's having Nicki fanbase support. Big reason why ppl love Nicki is because of her skills. The Nicki fans might enjoy Ice Spice st the start, but if she doesn't deliver like Nicki they are not going to support her in the long run (That's my point, sry for not typing all this in 1st post)

 

Yea agreed, she’ll need to actually come through with the quality, ultimately.

 

Though I’m confident she will, particularly after the year she’s had - I’m certain top notch material & more high profile collaborators are knocking at her door.