Dill Green Posted May 28, 2023 Posted May 28, 2023 5 hours ago, drivers license said: it's just that if your argument is that she won a grammy so quickly compared to her Disney ex-act peers, i would've gotten your bitterness. but she LOST the main categories to Silk Sonic & Jon Batiste, so blaming her for lack of diversity or Summer Walker not being nominated feels like such a reach projection. her winning POP category is equivalent of winning R&B category. btw i don't see SZA getting snubbed now. SOS is basically this years SOUR. Her having multiple grammys is a slap in the face to the numbers of people (especially black artists) with actual singing talent. Someone that can't sing or perform should not have a best pop vocal album/best pop solo performance grammy. Why would she win over Silk Sonic & Jon Batiste who are far superior talents who put out excellent work? And the pop category is dominated by whiteness b/c the grammys will not recognize black artists who make pop records - they simply throw most black acts in black categories just b/c they're black. The grammys and America has a preference for whiteness and are not meritocratic. SZA should have won a grammy for CTRL, but black artists have to simply work harder to "prove ourselves to white folks" while mediocre white talents get showered w/ praise and accolades. 1
Dill Green Posted May 28, 2023 Posted May 28, 2023 4 hours ago, Starchild said: SZA won a Grammy that same night. It's a wrong take all around. It's crazy to read that user try to tell people if they're allowed to consider themselves POC or not, like wtf is that? We aren't talking about some yt girl saying she's 0.01% native American, it's honestly a disgusting thing to say SZA was snubbed for CTRL! She has never won a grammy for her solo material. It took her 4 years for her to win a grammy for a collaboration. Yet, white acts like Billie Eillish, Alessia Cara, Olivia Rodrigo, etc. won w/ their first releases. It's similar to how Madonna was inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame w/ her first nomination - yet, black acts like Janet took years (and Mariah Carey is still not in). Lol, y'all are being dense. Olivia is half WHITE and she is WHITE-PASSING - those are facts. She navigates life as a white-passing woman. America and most of its institutions prefers whiteness - blackness is at a disadvantage in most facets of American life.
Dill Green Posted May 28, 2023 Posted May 28, 2023 6 hours ago, enchanted0 said: It's not like Olivia won over these artists? such an L take The point is that the grammys is not meritocratic and like America, has a preference for whiteness. Black artists are routinely shoved into black categories and have not won significantly in the big 4. Olivia is a mediocre talent and can not sing/perform. Her having 3 grammys further cements the grammys lack of merit.
on the line Posted May 28, 2023 Posted May 28, 2023 Olivia isn't white?? But also, why do we care and why is it even being discussed?!
Dill Green Posted May 28, 2023 Posted May 28, 2023 5 hours ago, MrLovett said: Olivia isn't white passing though. Despite being mixed, she's pretty clearly not a white woman. So I hate that you're using trying to demean another WOC, who wasn't even nominated against Summer Walker and SZA (and lost all the main categories to black artists). If you don't think she's talented, or her music deserving of the awards, discuss that instead of trying to drag her into a race-baiting argument. Which I've seen you doing in multiple threads now. Yes, she is white-passing and is half white. She is very clearly a white woman. Using terms like POC as a shield for white-passing people is problematic/muddled and borderline racist. The point is that America and its institutions has a preference for whiteness. It's why Olivia, Alessia Cara, Billie Eillish, etc. won grammys w/ their first releases and SZA had to wait 4 years (and Summer has never been nominated).
Dill Green Posted May 28, 2023 Posted May 28, 2023 6 minutes ago, on the line said: Olivia isn't white?? But also, why do we care and why is it even being discussed?! She's mixed, but is half white and white-passing - she navigates life as a white-passing woman. An alternative example is Prez Obama - he is also mixed and half white, but he navigates life as a black-passing man. Race is being discussed b/c its always been a topic of discussion since America's founding and remains an important factor in nearly every part of American life.
Lovett Posted May 28, 2023 Posted May 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, Dill Green said: Yes, she is white-passing and is half white. She is very clearly a white woman. Using terms like POC as a shield for white-passing people is problematic/muddled and borderline racist. The point is that America and its institutions has a preference for whiteness. It's why Olivia, Alessia Cara, Billie Eillish, etc. won grammys w/ their first releases and SZA had to wait 4 years (and Summer has never been nominated). No, Olivia Rodrigo is a biracial woman. The fact that you're repeatedly and aggressively trying to erase half of her racial makeup and heritage is revolting and actually racist. She is not white-passing and it's hysterical that you're trying to claim such when you straight up posted a picture of her with her white mother, which shows she doesn't look completely white. Here's a white woman next to a WOC. Stop being ignorant and delusional over a completely unproblematic woman who has no place in your racist takes.
on the line Posted May 28, 2023 Posted May 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, Dill Green said: She's mixed, but is half white and white-passing - she navigates life as a white-passing woman. An alternative example is Prez Obama - he is also mixed and half white, but he navigates life as a black-passing man. Race is being discussed b/c its always been a topic of discussion since America's founding and remains an important factor in nearly every part of American life. Such as a release date for an album? lol I came into this thread hoping to read arguments over if she's trying to block Taylor from no.1 with SNTV w/ that release dates. You know, something actually relevant to the topic rather than debates on how and when to use the term POC.
byzantium Posted May 28, 2023 Posted May 28, 2023 6 minutes ago, Dill Green said: Yes, she is white-passing and is half white. She is very clearly a white woman. Using terms like POC as a shield for white-passing people is problematic/muddled and borderline racist. The point is that America and its institutions has a preference for whiteness. It's why Olivia, Alessia Cara, Billie Eillish, etc. won grammys w/ their first releases and SZA had to wait 4 years (and Summer has never been nominated). It’s kind of disgusting that you are out here gated keeping another person’s identity just to fit your Stan, troll narrative. Go educate yourself on biracial identity for the good of society please.
Dill Green Posted May 28, 2023 Posted May 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, MrLovett said: No, Olivia Rodrigo is a biracial woman. The fact that you're repeatedly and aggressively trying to erase half of her racial makeup and heritage is revolting and actually racist. She is not white-passing and it's hysterical that you're trying to claim such when you straight up posted a picture of her with her white mother, which shows she doesn't look completely white. Here's a white woman next to a WOC. Stop being ignorant and delusional over a completely unproblematic woman who has no place in your racist takes. I actually haven't denied that she's mixed - I simply stated that she is white-passing and navigates life as a white-passing woman and many people (visually) would see her as a white woman. POC is a problematic term and many black people disassociate from that term b/c it muddles what it means to navigate real life as a non-white-passing person. So, you stop using POC as a shield for a clearly white-passing woman.
Dill Green Posted May 28, 2023 Posted May 28, 2023 6 minutes ago, on the line said: Such as a release date for an album? lol I came into this thread hoping to read arguments over if she's trying to block Taylor from no.1 with SNTV w/ that release dates. You know, something actually relevant to the topic rather than debates on how and when to use the term POC. Deal with it!
Lovett Posted May 28, 2023 Posted May 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Dill Green said: I actually haven't denied that she's mixed - I simply stated that she is white-passing and navigates life as a white-passing woman and many people (visually) would see her as a white woman. POC is a problematic term and many black people disassociate from that term b/c it muddles what it means to navigate real life as a non-white-passing person. So, you stop using POC as a shield for a clearly white-passing woman. "I haven't denied she's mixed" 13 minutes ago, Dill Green said: She is very clearly a white woman. You are ignorant and you are racist. I've done entertaining your disgusting narrative, all because you don't like her music/singing. It's revolting.
QueenofCopyPaste Posted May 28, 2023 Posted May 28, 2023 28 minutes ago, Dill Green said: Yes, she is white-passing and is half white. She is very clearly a white woman. Using terms like POC as a shield for white-passing people is problematic/muddled and borderline racist. The point is that America and its institutions has a preference for whiteness. It's why Olivia, Alessia Cara, Billie Eillish, etc. won grammys w/ their first releases and SZA had to wait 4 years (and Summer has never been nominated). I've lived in the Philippines and Olivia exactly looks like a typical mestiza (Spanish/European ancestry) biracial Filipina 1
sweetblindness Posted May 28, 2023 Posted May 28, 2023 Super excited for this! She posted a 2 second long snippet (lol) a couple days back and it sounded amazing. It really feels like she's been gone longer than two years, and the radio silence has been kinda frustrating, but I'm used to it as a Lorde stan. I'm a little disappointed we still have a month to wait, but I'm glad we at least got something that looks like a confirmation of new music on the way.
KeshaSwift Posted May 28, 2023 Posted May 28, 2023 I’m so excited. Her debut album was nothing short of a flawlessly executed pop music. She’s something else y’all
FakeInsider Posted May 28, 2023 Posted May 28, 2023 9 hours ago, QueenofCopyPaste said: I've lived in the Philippines and Olivia exactly looks like a typical mestiza (Spanish/European ancestry) biracial Filipina Tbh if it wasnt for atrl, I wouldnt know she’s filipino. She looks like a white girl. ot: ok but we need the entire álbum not just a single
Papi Juancho Posted May 29, 2023 Posted May 29, 2023 (edited) damn this made zero noise Edited May 29, 2023 by Papi Juancho
Lovett Posted May 29, 2023 Posted May 29, 2023 7 hours ago, FakeInsider said: Tbh if it wasnt for atrl, I wouldnt know she’s filipino. She looks like a white girl. She factually doesn't. Just because you didn't know her heritage, doesn't magically make her look white. Many people weren't sure of what her race was, but they knew she wasn't white. People saw 'Rodrigo' and thought she was Latin.
Letemtalk Posted May 29, 2023 Posted May 29, 2023 21 hours ago, QueenofCopyPaste said: I've lived in the Philippines and Olivia exactly looks like a typical mestiza (Spanish/European ancestry) biracial Filipina In my city where there are many Asian people, she'd be easily recognised as Asian or mixed race. I'm not sure who that person thinks he's fooling with pictures taken with different lighting. There are genuine problems with racism (and other issues) at the Grammys, but can we not place the blame at a woman of colour. Especially not for SZA getting snubbed back in 2018 when Olivia would have been about 14. OT: It's going to interesting to hear what sort of sound she goes for.
drivers license Posted May 29, 2023 Posted May 29, 2023 18 hours ago, Baby Judas said: This thread turned into a race debate lol. 2 & a half years into her debut and we're still discussing this same old ****
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