discussion Will DeSantis lose the Hispanic vote after signing the immigration bill?

[Happylittlepunk]

2 hours ago, suneclipse121 said:

It’s sad but just reaffirming what others on the thread have already said the answer is probably no. It literally continues to bewildered me how selfish the mentality is that once you made it to this country and become a citizen that suddenly you want to pull up the ladder on the ones after you and not extend that opportunity to your own people. It’s disgusting frankly. I’m the child of an immigrant who became a citizen and my mom still wants everyone to be afforded the same opportunities. I know the immigration system is completely broken but to see some Latinos turn against their own is sick. Cubans are especially guilty of this way of thinking.

I notice this too. I am not sure how Hispanics think in general even though I am latino myself my family is very socially progressive and I know we are one of a kind regarding that. 
 

But based what I seen other Mexican-Latinos say is many think democrats and republicans only care about Hispanics regarding immigration. But reality is no many Hispanic/Latinos also care about other issues too especially regarding economics and safety.  Many Latinos for example want the streets safe and want the government to do something about theft and homeless issues. 

[brooklyndaddy]

Nope, most Cubans I know here are unfortunately very racist and religious

[Archetype]

The “pick me” Cubans will vote conservative no matter what because they love gate-keeping now that they’re successful.

[Sergi91]

Unless the new law will hurt their pockets then I don’t see Cubans turning against Desantorino 

[ClashAndBurn]

Genuinely? No. Hispanic voters tend to want immigration to be harder after they've already made it into the country, so a lot of them will actively support what DeSantis and the Republicans are doing. Especially Cuban expats, who've enjoyed special status with Wet Foot, Dry Foot for decades (until Obama ended it during his 2017 lame duck period), but have always supported making immigration a bureaucratic nightmare for everyone else.

[Mellark]

No, because some of them want white validation and I am Hispanic myself. Cubans in FL (some are dem leaning) aren't beating the "100% conservative" allegations 

Edited May 20, 2023 by Mellark

[Bethenny Frankel]

No the Cuban Americans will never let that happen

[Tropez]

Many Hispanics become conservative once they become citizens. So he won’t lose the vote, he may even get more votes from the Hispanic demographic. 

[Gottasadae]

Cubans will still support him till last breath 

[Vermillion]

On 5/19/2023 at 5:57 PM, Aren said:

I think only the Mexicans and Puerto Ricans are more socially liberal, right?

That’s…debatable. Anecdotally, yes.

 

But I’m wary about distinguishing between socially and fiscally liberal because with immigrants, assimilation, taxation, who’s perceived to be a ‘burden’, citizenship, and social mobility, they’re one in the same.

On 5/19/2023 at 8:08 PM, Leppie said:

Asking for immigration status at a hospital?! So if they're undocumented they refuse to help?!

In many cases, yes. But hospitals now are much more wary of lawsuits if they’re on the verge of death because there’s monitors now at hospitals (not the workers) that have called immigrant lawyers in the past when they’ve tried.

[RunUpDoneUp]

No, the immigrants that oppose immigration are the rich ones. Why would they care about some poors dying at the wall?

[Scars]

No, unfortunately.

 

Upper middle-class Spanish Cubans throughout Greater Miami and wealthy South Americans of German ancestry in Orlando do not group themselves with poor mestizos and indigenous immigrants coming from Honduras. They may not be the majority within Florida hispanics, but they're affluent and influential enough to be catered to and most importantly, they have the tools and know how to use them to successfully push their interests to hispanic communities of other national and economic background.

 

Don't believe me? ask more often to your tia what she's reading on Whatsapp.

 

"Latinos in Florida reject latininad and consider themselves to be white now!" is an extremely poor take and won't accurately tell you the whole story. Most democrats, including many US-born latinos, struggle to understand the dynamics within those immigrant communities, which makes it even more difficult for them to elaborate an effective strategy. 

Edited May 21, 2023 by Scars

[zenyatta]

I'm gonna be a little different here and say YES. Republicans peaked in '22 after a mass exodus of conservatives to FL and the redistricting. Once Trump somehow frames him as a communist his support will tank.

[Vermillion]

4 hours ago, Scars said:

No, unfortunately.

 

Upper middle-class Spanish Cubans throughout Greater Miami and wealthy South Americans of German ancestry in Orlando do not group themselves with poor mestizos and indigenous immigrants coming from Honduras. They may not be the majority within Florida hispanics, but they're affluent and influential enough to be catered to and most importantly, they have the tools and know how to use them to successfully push their interests to hispanic communities of other national and economic background.

 

Don't believe me? ask more often to your tia what she's reading on Whatsapp.

 

"Latinos in Florida reject latininad and consider themselves to be white now!" is an extremely poor take and won't accurately tell you the whole story. Most democrats, including many US-born latinos, struggle to understand the dynamics within those immigrant communities, which makes it even more difficult for them to elaborate an effective strategy. 

Great points in the first paragraph but what do you suggest for the second? I keep hearing and reading the Dems not being able to distinguish between communities but with no solution.

[Communion]

32 minutes ago, Espresso said:

Great points in the first paragraph but what do you suggest for the second? I keep hearing and reading the Dems not being able to distinguish between communities but with no solution.

Isn't the issue that framing the ideology at hand as just appeals to whiteness means you lose out on the elements of class at play? Like yes, some Latino demographics do identify as white, but that framing often times feel like it's solely to argue that different Latino demographics are easily swayed by Republican appeals to (usually anti-black) racism, be it policies that are anti-immigration or being "hard on crime". And that the only solution proposed is that Dems move to the right on these issues on the pretext that America isn't progressive like claimed.

 

But the wrench in that framing is that the only meaningful political campaign to really connect with Latinos as a demographic at large in the last like 20 years has been........ a progressive self-identifying socialist.

 

There can be and are many Latinos who see themselves as Latino, as opposed to white, but who are propelled to vote for Republicans because they understand their class position from their affluence and that Republican policies work for them. In the same way, liberal attempts to smear the Sanders campaign as racist based on a vote from like 2004 didn't deter him from easily dominating amongst working class Latinos who understood *their* class position.

Edited May 21, 2023 by Communion

[Elusive Chanteuse]

No. The cubans who have money believe they are white and will vote for him.