base talk Kylie is serving everything Madonna should be

[Archetype]

58 minutes ago, Aren said:

As much as Madonna hasn’t put out a quality album since like Confessions, at least she has experimented with different genres. Kylie has been doing the same Eurodance sound for almost 3 decades now. Like, can she come up with something else? Madame X is probably more diverse than Kylie’s entire discography.

No one is asking her to make "different" music just for the sake of being different because the sound she has carved out over decades is a sound that people still love and appreciate today.  Madonna could have done that if she wanted to, but she prefers to take risks even if they don't pay off, resulting in the past decade of sus music output.

[Gorjesspazze9]

Not people in here trying to Drag 4 Minutes. Be Fr 

 

 

[anastaciabby]

1 hour ago, XtunaStan said:

Madame X isn't any less good than any of Kylie's albums

madame x as an example tho 

 

ot idk why people are saying Kylie doesn't experiment, didn't she just do a country' album? And yes Madonna should take notes but just these days. She used to have such great ideas and ear for music but lately idk what happened. I think she's trying to be more hip and in and it's not something she should be doing right now

[Dula Peep]

Tbh yes, only the gays are still here for new Madonna music so she should make big gay dance bops like Kylie has been doing. 
 

like Rebel Heart had some great Avicii tracks and she ruined them with Kanye production 

[Breakdown]

Kylie's discography is atrocious, so thank god Madonna isn't like her.

[Triton]

It would hurt for Madonna to do something a bit lighter and step away from the whole “MADAME Rebel X” shtick that really just blended into one another. It’s not clever, she has the talent to find something else and execute it. 
 

 

[~Start The Music]

Stop comparing artists

1 hour ago, brenda-walsh said:

Madonna would be making the same dance pop confessions rehash over and over again. no shade to kylie because i love her, but she stays in a narrow lane of disco/pop/euro/electronic and is not the provocative artist that madonna is. you may not like every style M experiments with but at least she does something out of the box  

[HardBambi]

Kylie is doing the same thing over and over again, it’s all cute, repetitive and forgettable. Madonna on the other hand was serving different styles from Evita to Confessions the American Life, you simply can’t compare the two, Madonna is a million times bigger and better.

 

That being said, Madonna is indeed messy nowadays, so messy that it feels there’s no turning back unfortunately, but her discography is greater than anyone else’s and it will be there forever

 

[wanderlust]

Kylie is giving people what they want: simple and generic dance. anyone else could've made it. there's nothing special about it.

 

Madonna always aims for more, experiments, writes, produces, and takes the road less traveled by. if she were to make the easy simple quick hits, she wouldn't be the queen.

 

by the way, that new Kylie song is the definition of mediocre/basic and generic dance. please don't insult madonna like this.

[wanderlust]

3 hours ago, Josh said:

and Madonna has been trend hopping doing songs with Cardi B and Migos. 

she doesn't even have a song with Cardi..

 

and for madame x she experimented with fado musicians, Mirwais, people from Cape Verde.. 

[Mystic Boy]

3 hours ago, Chris said:

What is Kylie serving exactly?

Class? Taste? Polished sound and aesthetic ?  Everything Madonna is lacking since a decade and I'm a HUGE fan and never stanned Kylie at all, but you have to be deeply delusional to deny the blatant artistic trajectories they both took.....

[wanderlust]

20 minutes ago, Mystic Boy said:

Class? Taste? Polished sound and aesthetic ?  Everything Madonna is lacking since a decade and I'm a HUGE fan and never stanned Kylie at all, but you have to be deeply delusional to deny the blatant artistic trajectories they both took.....

I agree madonna's style has been very off for two years, but aside from that, it's been far superior to Kylie, who just gives basic cute outfits. 

 

I mean, this was just four years ago. She looks fantastic (and gave a wonderful speech)

 

 

Or some of the madame x visuals..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 19, 2023 by wanderlust

[Rev8]

No she shouldn't?

Madonna has a different path and artistry

what Kylie is doing is very natural to her, it wouldn't be as natural if Madge did it

[GlamSlam]

5 hours ago, Josh said:

and Madonna has been trend hopping doing songs with Cardi B and Migos. 

 

As if Kylie wasn't trend hopping with the likes of Robbie Williams, Dua Lipa, The Scissor Sisters, and Jessie Ware.

 

 

[Both Sides Now]

Kylie is the quintessential showgirl. Since Light Years, she has put her audience first and delivers what we want pretty much every time. Even when she explores different styles I think she is always thinking “will my fans respond positively to this”. This is why in recent years, Kylie has been serving a lot more than Madonna. She’s still thinking about her audience first. 
 

Madonna, on the other hand, mostly leads with her own artistic vision since True Blue. This makes her discography more daring than Kylie’s but has also led to some real duds in her work when her instincts were off. For example, Madame X is my second least favourite M album. I think it’s a disaster. 

[B-Luke]

Madonna is and has always been more envelope-pushing in every aspect of her career. Kylie is way safer and cautious with her approach and that is fine. To say Madonna should be in her place is disregarding the whole purpose of her career.

[Oktober Knight]

I saw Kylie's™ new video shot in an abandoned hotel with a $500 budget, so I disagree. 

[campelo]

Kylie career started with KM94, all prior to that is mixtape quality 

[tiagol88]

3 hours ago, Mystic Boy said:

Class? Taste? Polished sound and aesthetic ?  Everything Madonna is lacking since a decade and I'm a HUGE fan and never stanned Kylie at all, but you have to be deeply delusional to deny the blatant artistic trajectories they both took.....

There's nothing artistic about current Kylie 

It's basic dance music.

 

Yes it's polished, it sounds good, good aesthetics but in what way does it contribute to her discography overall? What does it do that she hasn't done before? 

 

She's not pulling a Jessie Ware or something artistic in any way 

 

And she's my second fave...she's good at staying in her lane basically.

[GlamSlam]

1 hour ago, tiagol88 said:

There's nothing artistic about current Kylie 

It's basic dance music.

 

Yes it's polished, it sounds good, good aesthetics but in what way does it contribute to her discography overall? What does it do that she hasn't done before? 

 

She's not pulling a Jessie Ware or something artistic in any way 

 

And she's my second fave...she's good at staying in her lane basically.

Are we surprised though? The nerve of that user to talk about "class" and "artistry" when their fave went on stage to be vomited on 

[Popboi.]

2 hours ago, GlamSlam said:

 

As if Kylie wasn't trend hopping with the likes of Robbie Williams, Dua Lipa, The Scissor Sisters, and Jessie Ware.

 

 

Scissor Sisters and Jessie Ware are niche not trendy

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No, Madonna shouldn’t be doing the same as Kylie. Madge’s lane is pretty much being daring and disobey what people expect from her and prove any misconception about her wrong. Kylie is the polar opposite and does what she knows the fans want, with the occasional out of the box moment.

Edited May 19, 2023 by Popboi.

[GlamSlam]

10 minutes ago, Popboi. said:

Scissor Sisters and Jessie Ware are niche not trendy

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No, Madonna shouldn’t be doing the same as Kylie. Madge’s lane is pretty much being daring and disobey what people expect from her and prove any misconception about her wrong. Kylie is the polar opposite and does what she knows the fans want, with the occasional out of the box moment.

Ok, maybe Jessie Ware wasn't a good example, but the Scissor Sisters were definitely trendy years ago.

[Mystic Boy]

1 hour ago, tiagol88 said:

There's nothing artistic about current Kylie 

It's basic dance music.

 

Yes it's polished, it sounds good, good aesthetics but in what way does it contribute to her discography overall? What does it do that she hasn't done before? 

 

She's not pulling a Jessie Ware or something artistic in any way 

 

And she's my second fave...she's good at staying in her lane basically.

Right? and that's why I was never a fan of her music. BUT you can't deny that she handled way better her 50s than Madonna in every single way.

Now imagine the things Madonna could've done with the same taste,focus and drive....

 

Oh and I won't even quote that poor desperate obsessed hater who cant keep you Know who off their mouth, tragic

[tiagol88]

2 minutes ago, Mystic Boy said:

Right? and that's why I was never a fan of her music. BUT you can't deny that she handled way better her 50s than Madonna in every single way.

Now imagine the things Madonna could've done with the same taste,focus and drive....

 

Oh and I won't even quote that poor desperate obsessed hater who cant keep you Know who off their mouth, tragic

The thing about Madonna is that she doesn't give a **** about her audience. She would never do another Confessions as damage control. 

And also...even if her albums are bad, her tours aren't. It's frustrating to see MDNA and Rebel Heart and Madame X and watch such great shows...but the albums behind them being badly polished, rushed, weird production choices, etc.

 

Say what you want but Madame X on paper is such an amazing concept. A secret agent traveling the world, with multiple identities, multiple looks for the entire era in each one of the videos, etc...but everything was executed so badly. I feel like Madonna still is the same creative force she was before and she's still great at it...but clearly she's just not well surrounded to bring out her ideas anymore as she once was. 

 

Beyonce with that same concept would have an amazing visual and musical era for her. 

 

I blame her management as well. Not just Madonna.

[GlamSlam]

at that user whining after being called out on his BS and pretending he isn't using this thread as a weapon to bash Madonna.

 

Unless he was being shallow by talking about facial procedures and messy IG posts, I'd love to know how Kylie has handled her 50's better when she's only 54, and all she's given us is the generic Disco and an album no one's heard yet? The lead single is no different to all the other pop ditties she's been churning out for the past 20 years, so why would Tension be any different?

 

At 50, Madonna gave us Hard Candy, and a massive sellout world tour that became the highest-grossing concert tour in history by a female artist. If she had the same taste, focus and drive as Kylie did, we would never have got the critically acclaimed masterpieces Like a Prayer and Ray of Light albums. She'd be forced to regurgitate the same old dance bops time and time again to keep her gay fans amused for 5 minutes. She wouldn't be a strong willed, level headed business woman with a global empire either, she'd be a little known act that's only been successful in a handful of countries, pondering on whether to make a guest appearance in the final episode of an old TV series she used to be in. The delusion is staggering.

Edited May 19, 2023 by GlamSlam