discussion Muslim extremists intimidate and chase out LGBT students at a high school in Belgium

[KatyPrismSpirit]

Muslims of Gen Z do not accept LGBT like muslim millennials. The percentage of practicing muslims actually increases in most Western european nations.

 

3 minutes ago, A.R.L said:

 

This is due to the well funded (with oil money) collection of Arabic religious channels from the gulf countries in the early 00s, add to that the recent anti gay hate from the qatar wc (something that corrupt fifa has to deal with too), I wonder why these fools don't go to live in mecca but yeah in mecca allah won’t care enough to give them the same privileges of life as in belguim 

This is not true. They are actually getting more conservative because liberalism and Islam are inherently opposite towards each other. These ideologies can really not coincide the way a lot of people think because they contradict each other, which leads to more radical expressions of both ideologies.

[OmegaRidley]

Disgusting. 
 

 

[mylicious]

and most of them secretly **** each other, pathetic 

[NoOneDiesFromLove]

Religion and what it makes people do as an excuse of what their god would do is terrifying 

[J Legend X]

Ungrateful bastards !! 

[Delirious]

Are we surprised?

[Delirious]

2 hours ago, Lovesong said:

Watch THAT Ariana stan to pop here and defend this. 

@Communion where you at when we need you?

[Delirious]

Honestly nothing is more embarrassing than a leftist/liberal supporting religion. It's a joke at this point.

[Chemist]

41 minutes ago, KatyPrismSpirit said:

Muslims of Gen Z do not accept LGBT like muslim millennials. The percentage of practicing muslims actually increases in most Western european nations.

Scary stuff. I wonder why

[BOOMBAYAH]

It’s funny how during the Qatar World Cup all the Muslims where saying “you need to respect their culture” in defence of their anti-gay laws, but when it comes to secularism and Western human rights they don’t gaf about respecting gay people.  There are plenty of wealthy Islamic countries around the world, I never got why they didn’t just leave to go there if they can’t reconcile living in a non-religious/Christian society. 

[A.R.L]

37 minutes ago, KatyPrismSpirit said:

Muslims of Gen Z do not accept LGBT like muslim millennials. The percentage of practicing muslims actually increases in most Western european nations.

 

This is not true. They are actually getting more conservative because liberalism and Islam are inherently opposite towards each other. These ideologies can really not coincide the way a lot of people think because they contradict each other, which leads to more radical expressions of both ideologies.

Girl, the many many many muslims in the west tend more neutrally to the islamic  countries ONLY (culture wise) and depend on religion for even whether or not it’s acceptable for a woman to pray with her nails painted, or if a photo is haram or halal, the way they are obsessed with religion, it’s unbelievable, while seeing the westerns as kuffar and the western values completely haram without any respect at all, so again are you still going to blame liberalism for that as well?
 

In fact, liberalism is the one that gave freedom of belief to these muslims in the west (and it’s their right) so they should be grateful for that and leave other people do what the f they want to do with their life.. 

[Embustera]

No religious person is an ally to the lgbtq community. 

[Embustera]

6 minutes ago, BOOMBAYAH said:

It’s funny how during the Qatar World Cup all the Muslims where saying “you need to respect their culture” in defence of their anti-gay laws, but when it comes to secularism and Western human rights they don’t gaf about respecting gay people.  There are plenty of wealthy Islamic countries around the world, I never got why they didn’t just leave to go there if they can’t reconcile living in a non-religious/Christian society. 

This is such a dumb statement. This is their country. 

[A.R.L]

15 minutes ago, Chemist said:

Scary stuff. I wonder why

Maybe because of the lack of conversations in the Belgian schools? Or the lack of spread of gay culture there?Here in my country, they have a lot of personal conversations in schools with children, teens and parents to see how they interact and how they think, any kind of strange behaviour, parents will be warned twice then if there are no improvements the kids will be removed from them for good.. 

 

Spreading awareness is also very important. In my city, we have a metro station and an entire residential area dedicated only to gay people, not to mention the media and other lgbt events. 

[Communion]

43 minutes ago, Delirious said:

@Communion where you at when we need you?

Now why would I even engage with an ethnonationalist user like @Lovesong who has routinely called for the eradication of Palestinians and said that all criticism of a Jewish supremacist state are "antisemitic"?

 

Am I meant to believe someone who defends *checks notes* a theocratic state has genuine qualms about the conservative, reactionary impact of organized religion that aren't just covert racialization? How can I as an atheist even begin to tackle conservative religious thought with someone who seems more than supportive of the conservative pillars of a faith?

 

What are the specific differences between Muslim teens being homophobic "to Europeans" (I guess LGBT Muslim Youth in Europe don't matter?) and an apartheid Jewish supremacist state trying to eradicate Arabs - and how do these differences lead to the former being so bad that users claim it as "the destruction of Europe" while often defending the latter instance of religion-fueled violence?

Edited May 14, 2023 by Communion

[Bosque]

9 minutes ago, A.R.L said:

Maybe because of the lack of conversations in the Belgian schools? Or the lack of spread of gay culture there?Here in my country, they have a lot of personal conversations in schools with children, teens and parents to see how they interact and how they think, any kind of strange behaviour, parents will be warned twice then if there are no improvements the kids will be removed from them for good.. 

 

Spreading awareness is also very important. In my city, we have a metro station and an entire residential area dedicated only to gay people, not to mention the media and other lgbt events. 

They’re perfectly well aware of LGBT people, they just hate them and want everyone in the country to comply with their minority views, through violence if necessary. At the rate things are going, right wing hellholes like Poland and Hungary will soon be physically safer spaces for LGBTQ, since the European left refuses to even acknowledge this extreme, violent conservatism

[BOOMBAYAH]

1 minute ago, Embustera said:

This is such a dumb statement. This is their country. 

The statement I made was not intended to question anyone's legal rights or entitlement to their birth country. It was an observation about personal choice and religious alignment. As someone who grew up Muslim and immigrated, I've noticed many Muslims prioritise their ethnicity and religion over their Western nationality - which is fine. All I’m saying is, If someone disagrees with the fundamentals of Western society, they could consider moving to a culturally aligned and economically wealthy country. This allows them to find an environment where their values and beliefs better align with the societal norms.

[Johnny Jacobs]

42 minutes ago, BOOMBAYAH said:

It’s funny how during the Qatar World Cup all the Muslims where saying “you need to respect their culture” in defence of their anti-gay laws, but when it comes to secularism and Western human rights they don’t gaf about respecting gay people.  There are plenty of wealthy Islamic countries around the world, I never got why they didn’t just leave to go there if they can’t reconcile living in a non-religious/Christian society. 

It's not that hard to see why. 

 

Why reconcile/adjust? Why not change those countries to fit your beliefs?

settle and limit yourself for 10 countries? when you can essentially expand and spread into more? The number of Muslims in European countries is increasing every year. 

Edited May 14, 2023 by Johnny Jacobs

[hallucinate]

47 minutes ago, BOOMBAYAH said:

It’s funny how during the Qatar World Cup all the Muslims where saying “you need to respect their culture” in defence of their anti-gay laws, but when it comes to secularism and Western human rights they don’t gaf about respecting gay people.  There are plenty of wealthy Islamic countries around the world, I never got why they didn’t just leave to go there if they can’t reconcile living in a non-religious/Christian society. 

because these extremely religious people love the freedom they have over there but at the same time they don’t want others to have theirs 

 

[TheCheshireCat]

It’s so frustrating how these conversations always fall into like 50 different whataboutisms to dodge having to acknowledge the very bleak reality in-front of us…

[BOOMBAYAH]

5 minutes ago, hallucinate said:

because these extremely religious people love the freedom they have over there but at the same time they don’t want others to have theirs 

 

Serving Saudi royal family having orgies, coke benders, and gay sex whilst the actual nation have to abide by strict Islamic law. 

[spiritboy]

They should be stripped of all their rights and sent back to their countries and do whatever the f they want there. 

[Communion]

13 minutes ago, TheCheshireCat said:

It’s so frustrating how these conversations always fall into like 50 different whataboutisms to dodge having to acknowledge the very bleak reality in-front of us…

I mean, that is the natural result when purposefully inciting people to essentialize entire demographics.

 

How do threads become about if criticisms of all Muslims are done in good faith if not from people deciding to use instances of individual bigotry to essentialize all Muslims? What benefit comes from language like "Muslims represent the destruction of modern-day Europe"?

 

These threads aren't meaningful or nuanced. They typically follow the below pattern:

*Conservative Muslim individuals filmed doing something* -> Europeans claim Islam is at odds with Europe -> Europeans claim Muslims at large are at odds with Europe -> Europeans make incendiary and white supremacist posts about immigration laws -> People react to what is objectively racism -> Europeans complain about 'whataboutism'

 

It's odd because, in conversations with regard to social constructivism and reactionary European rejection of concepts like dismantling whiteness and white supremacy being built into Europe's institutions (to where members even defend things like blackface as 'nuanced' ), such never devolves to the kind of essentializing seen in these threads. I've never seen calls to halt Polish migration into the US when users defend white supremacy, but homophobia amongst Muslim youth has people going "I'LL HELP ROUND UP THESE COCKROACHES MYSELF". Why?

[TouchinFree]

1 hour ago, A.R.L said:

Girl, the many many many muslims in the west tend more neutrally to the islamic  countries ONLY (culture wise) and depend on religion for even whether or not it’s acceptable for a woman to pray with her nails painted, or if a photo is haram or halal, the way they are obsessed with religion, it’s unbelievable, while seeing the westerns as kuffar and the western values completely haram without any respect at all, so again are you still going to blame liberalism for that as well?
 

In fact, liberalism is the one that gave freedom of belief to these muslims in the west (and it’s their right) so they should be grateful for that and leave other people do what the f they want to do with their life.. 

Sis how do you know THIS  because this is incredibly ACCURATE. Growing up in a Muslim community I've heard that crap so much 

[apasionata]

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