Komet Posted February 2 Posted February 2 43 minutes ago, LewisK said: With all the respect for Jorge, who is a good artist and seems to be a real eurofan, "Caliente" is SO tacky it's embarrassing. First, the title, like "hey, we're Spanish, so obviously we are CALIENTTTTE RRRR" I understand why you see it like that, but honestly - the rest of the europe would live, the audience loves a stereotypical entry if it's done well. And this performance is mostly there, it just needs a bit of polish, nothing that can't be easily done. Besides, who's gonna send entries like this if not yall, Estonia, Ireland? Anyway the finale will be messy no matter who wins, can't wait
Komet Posted February 2 Posted February 2 (edited) Benidorm running order (random draw) 1. María Peláe 2. St. Pedro 3. Angy Fernández 4. Jorge González 5. Nebulossa 6. Sofia Coll 7. Miss Caffeina 8. Almácor Edited February 2 by Komet
Hurem Posted February 2 Posted February 2 Jorge is by far their best potential for ESC. I don't see any other song placing higher than #21, while Caliente could reach lower bottom on the left side of the scoreboard if they perfect his staging, like they did with Chanel. I don't know why Euro fans have such hard time recognizing what's going to do well at Eurovision? Last year they hyped Blanca so hard, only for her to end up dead last with the televote. When people around the world think of Spanish music, they think of sexy, latino type of song. Caliente is exactly that.
LewisK Posted February 2 Posted February 2 1 hour ago, Komet said: I understand why you see it like that, but honestly - the rest of the europe would live, the audience loves a stereotypical entry if it's done well. And this performance is mostly there, it just needs a bit of polish, nothing that can't be easily done. Besides, who's gonna send entries like this if not yall, Estonia, Ireland? Anyway the finale will be messy no matter who wins, can't wait I know, and two years ago I wouldn't have cared to send Jorge because nothing was working for us. But after Chanel, I was proud as an eurofan that it seemed that we were starting to take the festival seriously. Blanca Paloma didn't place well, but we were proud of her artistry and kind of stood out. The thing for me with "Caliente" is, aside from stereotypes, this has been done so many many times, that it just needs to be stellar. If you don't have a really creative or different song that makes you stand out, you have to make it shine over the rest as a performer. I didn't like SloMo as a song, but Chanel was an absolute BEAST. Jorge is good, but unfortunately he's not a juggernaut to make him stand out over the 29438 similar entries that we've been watching for 20 years or more. And mostly, I don't want us to go back to be a random country that sends random run-of-the-mill entries. But I agree with you, the finale will be entertaining to watch, I'm ready 1
LewisK Posted February 2 Posted February 2 7 minutes ago, Komet said: Benidorm running order (random draw) 1. María Peláe 2. St. Pedro 3. Angy Fernández 4. Jorge González 5. Nebulossa 6. Sofia Coll 7. Miss Caffeina 8. Almácor This is taste! Almost the same for me: 1. St. Pedro (assuming they'll fix the staging, PLEASE) 2. Angy 3. María >>>>> 4. Jorge (even if I'm embarrassed) 5. Sofia 7. Almacor 8. Miss Caffeina
Komet Posted February 2 Posted February 2 1 minute ago, LewisK said: This is taste! Almost the same for me: 1. St. Pedro (assuming they'll fix the staging, PLEASE) 2. Angy 3. María >>>>> 4. Jorge (even if I'm embarrassed) 5. Sofia 7. Almacor 8. Miss Caffeina Girlie that is the order of the performances for the finale tomorrow, not my personal ranking but yeah, it's kinda giving a reasonable ranking
igninton Posted February 2 Posted February 2 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Hurem said: Jorge is by far their best potential for ESC. I don't see any other song placing higher than #21, while Caliente could reach lower bottom on the left side of the scoreboard if they perfect his staging, like they did with Chanel. I don't know why Euro fans have such hard time recognizing what's going to do well at Eurovision? Last year they hyped Blanca so hard, only for her to end up dead last with the televote. When people around the world think of Spanish music, they think of sexy, latino type of song. Caliente is exactly that. Should Italy send a Neapolitan-style song with a guy dressed as Super Mario and Poland do a Slavic Girls 2.0 remix? Since we're thinking about what people expect or think of different European countries. If you want to do a cliché, at least do it right, as Chanel did. SloMo is after all, a banger - Caliente is not. Edited February 2 by igninton
LewisK Posted February 2 Posted February 2 7 minutes ago, Komet said: Girlie that is the order of the performances for the finale tomorrow, not my personal ranking but yeah, it's kinda giving a reasonable ranking Omg I totally skipped the first phrase lol 18 minutes ago, Hurem said: Jorge is by far their best potential for ESC. I don't see any other song placing higher than #21, while Caliente could reach lower bottom on the left side of the scoreboard if they perfect his staging, like they did with Chanel. I don't know why Euro fans have such hard time recognizing what's going to do well at Eurovision? Last year they hyped Blanca so hard, only for her to end up dead last with the televote. When people around the world think of Spanish music, they think of sexy, latino type of song. Caliente is exactly that. I don't think so. There's no ESC formula that's 100% accurate. There you have Salvador Sobral and WRS and their placements if you want to compare St. Pedro and Jorge and guess their placement (not saying that it will happen like that either, but sending a sexy, latino, caliente song is not a guarantee at all...)
Komet Posted February 2 Posted February 2 14 minutes ago, igninton said: Should Italy send a Neapolitan-style song with a guy dressed as Super Mario and Poland do a Slavic Girls 2.0 remix? Since we're thinking about what people expect or think of different European countries. If you want to do a cliché, at least do it right, as Chanel did. SloMo is after all, a banger - Caliente is not. Italy already sent men in fancy suits singing operatically about amore with roman statues on the LEDs... and it won televote And nobody cared about Slomo or it being a 'banger' until the live performance, not sure why it's being brought up
igninton Posted February 2 Posted February 2 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Komet said: Italy already sent men in fancy suits singing operatically about amore with roman statues on the LEDs... and it won televote And nobody cared about Slomo or it being a 'banger' until the live performance, not sure why it's being brought up Grande Amore was actually good, just like SloMo was. There is no way people actually think that Caliente is better than EaEa. Edited February 2 by igninton
BOOM! Posted February 2 Posted February 2 12 hours ago, gimmelaugh said: I loved his song last year and this year it's the same for me! It's a bop All the returning artists did it worse this time, except for Zejna imo. I loved "Novi plan, drugi san" but this sounds like the demo version of NPDS. It's very similar song, but not as good. Konstrakta is in the same position, "In corpore sano" was an amazing bop and "Novo, bolje" is not it. Zorja's last year song was also better, at least for Eurovision. Yes, it was a dated Balkan ballad, but it was good overall. Zejna is the only one that stepped up and served even bigger and better bop than "Rumba".
Hurem Posted February 2 Posted February 2 (edited) 36 minutes ago, igninton said: Should Italy send a Neapolitan-style song with a guy dressed as Super Mario and Poland do a Slavic Girls 2.0 remix? Since we're thinking about what people expect or think of different European countries. If you want to do a cliché, at least do it right, as Chanel did. SloMo is after all, a banger - Caliente is not. Italy sent Marco Mengoni last year, Due Vite was a very typical Italian ballad, something that people think of when they think of Italian music. Euro fans thought he would flop and he came sixth with the public. What was your point? Edited February 2 by Hurem 1
Komet Posted February 2 Posted February 2 3 minutes ago, igninton said: Grande Amore was actually good, just like SloMo was. There is no way people actually think that Caliente is better than EaEa. still cliché and stereotypical af and better is subjective, but I guarantee you it will get more then Eaea's embarrassing 5(?) televote points
igninton Posted February 2 Posted February 2 Just now, Hurem said: Italy sent Marco Mengoni last year, Due Vite was a very typical Italian ballad, something that people think of when they think of Italian music. Euro fans thought he would flop and he came sixth with the public. What was your point? Due Vite is literally a standard pop ballad that could've been sent by any country in a different language. The tackiness of the performance and his looks is what made people associate it with Italian music.
Hurem Posted February 2 Posted February 2 34 minutes ago, LewisK said: I don't think so. There's no ESC formula that's 100% accurate. There you have Salvador Sobral and WRS and their placements if you want to compare St. Pedro and Jorge and guess their placement (not saying that it will happen like that either, but sending a sexy, latino, caliente song is not a guarantee at all...) You're right that there is no ESC formula, but I feel like the big five countries kind of have to play into the stereotypes and give people exactly what they're expecting, since they only have one chance to impress the audience. They don't have the privilege of sending something out of the box, that people could warm up to in the days between their semi and grand final.
Hurem Posted February 2 Posted February 2 1 minute ago, igninton said: Due Vite is literally a standard pop ballad that could've been sent by any country in a different language. The tackiness of the performance and his looks is what made people associate it with Italian music. You're so off with this opinion Italian language is what made Due Vite as beautiful (and successful) as it was. You think it'd do the same if it was in Finnish?
IMadeYouReadThis Posted February 2 Posted February 2 1 hour ago, Komet said: Girlie that is the order of the performances for the finale tomorrow, not my personal ranking but yeah, it's kinda giving a reasonable ranking Sjjdjdjjdjdjjjdjdjdj
igninton Posted February 2 Posted February 2 5 minutes ago, Hurem said: You're so off with this opinion Italian language is what made Due Vite as beautiful (and successful) as it was. You think it'd do the same if it was in Finnish? He was sandwiched right after three upbeat songs, Sweden, Spain and Albania, and just before the average Estonia, while sitting comfortably at #11 in the running order. What made Due Vite so successful was the lack of actual competition. Only Lithuania had a similar ballad and she performed right at the end of the second half. There is a reason he didn't even make the Top 10 his first time around.
Hurem Posted February 2 Posted February 2 1 minute ago, igninton said: He was sandwiched right after three upbeat songs, Sweden, Spain and Albania, and just before the average Estonia, while sitting comfortably at #11 in the running order. What made Due Vite so successful was the lack of actual competition. Only Lithuania had a similar ballad and she performed right at the end of the second half. There is a reason he didn't even make the Top 10 his first time around. That's a lot of mental gymnastics, bestie. I'm curious though, how do you justify Eaea's embarrassing televote result?
LewisK Posted February 2 Posted February 2 1 hour ago, Hurem said: Italy sent Marco Mengoni last year, Due Vite was a very typical Italian ballad, something that people think of when they think of Italian music. Euro fans thought he would flop and he came sixth with the public. What was your point? Nobody really knows, that's for sure. I was bored to death with Due Vite and thought it was generic af, but there are the results. Still, you have a higher chance to be successful with a generic or cliché song if it has some quality to it. "Caliente" is just a joke, the type of parody Family Guy would make about a Spanish song. And the Chanel wannabe moments are so obvious and so far from her quality that they make it even worse 1 hour ago, Funhouse said: please They HAVE to change it for the ESC, I can't picture them being THAT stupid... right?
Komet Posted February 2 Posted February 2 9 minutes ago, LewisK said: They HAVE to change it for the ESC, I can't picture them being THAT stupid... right? Well...
LewisK Posted February 2 Posted February 2 Just now, Komet said: Well... I know But the feedback is so unanimous and they are aware of if, that they can't ignore it. They can't.
shark_heather Posted February 2 Posted February 2 I think S.Pedro will be the winner of Spain even though i prefer Jorge Its not bad but its forgettable when there are 20plus other songs . I think it will do average on the judges and low on votes Jorge is everything you all said above but at least is memorable, fun . It will do low on the judges and high on votes
shark_heather Posted February 2 Posted February 2 Plus Caliente will be 10000% the summer hit all over Europe even if it bombs
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