event Eurovision Song Contest 2024 | Switzerland wins!

[Scandalous]

people mad at him for not rejecting a huge opportunity  grow up!

 

this expectation for celebrities to protest has gotten so out of hand

Edited March 29, 2024 by Scandalous

[FOCK]

1 minute ago, ForgottenSoul said:

How many gay people do you think are in Palestine? Let me guess 10k of the 30k dead were gay right? 

You're actually rotted. 
 

 

[ForgottenSoul]

Just now, FOCK said:

You're actually rotted. 
 

 

So are you for pushing an extreme state that hates and kills gays but here we are. They don't deserve to all die but they are still not a state I would feel great supporting like so many seemingly are.  

 

I can support peace without trying to clean up Palestine's disgusting views. 

[Jjang]

Just now, ForgottenSoul said:

How many gay people do you think are in Palestine? Let me guess 10k of the 30k dead were gay right? 

you think you're slick avoiding the point like that? No matter how many they are, ALL of them are indiscriminately being starved to death right now by Israel. There are no special aid trucks for Palestinian gays.

 

[Both Sides Now]

3 minutes ago, ForgottenSoul said:

So are you for pushing an extreme state that hates and kills gays but here we are. They don't deserve to all die but they are still not a state I would feel great supporting like so many seemingly are.  

 

I can support peace without trying to clean up Palestine's disgusting views. 

The brain rot of thinking that Palestinians deserve a genocide because Hamas are homophobic is just… I suppose we should drop a nuke on 50% of America which is also homophobic? 

This should be a ZTP. 

By the way, if you ever visit Israel - don't go outside of Tel Aviv. You might wish a genocide for Israelis when you see there are tons of ultra-homophobic Israelis in East Jerusalem, the settlements etc. 

Edited March 29, 2024 by Both Sides Now

[ForgottenSoul]

4 minutes ago, Both Sides Now said:

The brain rot of thinking that Palestinians deserve a genocide because Hamas are homophobic is just… I suppose we should drop a nuke on 50% of America which is also homophobic? 

This should be a ZTP. 

By the way, if you ever visit Israel - don't go outside of Tel Aviv. You might wish a genocide for Israelis when you see there are tons of ultra-homophobic Jews. 

Where did I say they deserve genocide? I made a point to say they don't deserve to die for having those views. 

 

You accuse people of having brain rot when you literally can't read or just lie to push your bullshit views. 

 

Peace would be great but that doesn't mean I want to support Palestine or their extreme views. 

 

I never wished for their genocide or said they deserve genocide but that's the issue with Palestine supporters they can only talk extremes and sides, you're either a Palestine supporter or a Zionist. 

 

You can support Peace and two-state solution without trying to clear up their disgusting views. 

Edited March 29, 2024 by ForgottenSoul

[sunbathinganimal]

Jessie Ware liking it

 

[LittleStarmen]

1 minute ago, Both Sides Now said:

The brain rot of thinking that Palestinians deserve a genocide because Hamas are homophobic is just… I suppose we should drop a nuke on 50% of America which is also homophobic? 

 

Nobody is wishing for a genocide/war to continue. Its pretty clear a ceasefire/peace treat is the goal. However it's difficult to take "Queers for Palestine" serious when are demanding performative action when their platform is just a performative action aswell

[State of Grace.]

12 minutes ago, ForgottenSoul said:

How many gay people do you think are in Palestine? Let me guess 10k of the 30k dead were gay right? 

 

Can I get kicked out of the LGBTQ+ community because I refuse to be associated with GHOULS like this.

 

Or even vetter, can aliens ******* wipe us all already   

[greeneyedsoul]

Salvador Sobral got a warning by the EBU for mentioning migrants once turing Eurovision "for being too political". Y'all believe the EBU will allow them to talk about Palestine freely all of the time? 

Edited March 29, 2024 by greeneyedsoul

[State of Grace.]

2 minutes ago, sunbathinganimal said:

Jessie Ware liking it

 

Of course she did

 

[Jjang]

3 minutes ago, greeneyedsoul said:

Salvador Sobral got a warning by the EBU for mentioning migrants once turing Eurovision "for being too political". Y'all believe the EBU will allow them to talk about Palestine freely all of the time? 

... which is why collectively dropping out as a protest against an ongoing Holocaust is what the people are demanding. 

 

Imagine if this thread was made during the Nazi Germany Olympics  ATRL would have been like LET THEM COMPETE WHO CARES 

Edited March 29, 2024 by Jjang

[SapphireSky]

Why should he drop out 

[supaspaz]

44 minutes ago, FOCK said:

You can't appreciate the significance & optics of the UK essentially dropping out of Eurovision, in protest against a genocide? 

It wouldn't be the UK, though. It would be Olly Alexander, which is not an actionable statement from a government with actual power to make a difference in this situation. That's why I don't think it's a fair position to put him in. Sure, it's an easier pressure campaign to get an artist to drop out of Eurovision, but the only one who loses anything is Olly Alexander. It won't make any meaningful step toward resolving the war in Gaza.

[supaspaz]

2 minutes ago, Jjang said:

Imagine if this thread was made during the Nazi Germany Olympics  ATRL would have been like LET THEM COMPETE WHO CARES 

Well, the fact that you can't appreciate the difference between an Olympics literally organized by Hitler as propaganda for his regime and a singing competition in which Israel is one of dozens of competitors speaks volumes.

[ForgottenSoul]

2 minutes ago, Jjang said:

... which is why collectively dropping out as a protest against an ongoing Holocaust is what the people are demanding. 

 

Imagine if this thread was made during the Nazi Germany Olympics  ATRL would have been like LET THEM COMPETE WHO CARES 

It's funny you bring up the Olympics when at the 1948 Olympics the Olympic mandate of Palestine expired and the Arab countries who intended to boycott decided to take part instead. 

[vale9001]

6 minutes ago, Both Sides Now said:

The brain rot of thinking that Palestinians deserve a genocide because Hamas are homophobic is just… I suppose we should drop a nuke on 50% of America which is also homophobic? 

This should be a ZTP. 

By the way, if you ever visit Israel - don't go outside of Tel Aviv. You might wish a genocide for Israelis when you see there are tons of ultra-homophobic Israelis in East Jerusalem, the settlements etc. 

 

"By the way, if you ever visit Israel - don't go outside of Tel Aviv."

 

there are gay palestinians escaped from their state to be welcomed as refugees in Israel and you write to someone to not go to in some Jerusalem neighboourd. Please have mercy for our basic common sense 

 

also writing "hamas is homophobic" ...again have mercy for our common sense...Palestine is homophobic, not only Hamas.

 

Saying that of course I agree saying a genocide is ok (or at least something we shouldn't care too much) in a country cause for their culture they are still a mysoginist- homophobic etc.. makes not sense and it's kinda scary as way of thinking. 

[Jjang]

3 minutes ago, supaspaz said:

Well, the fact that you can't appreciate the difference between an Olympics literally organized by Hitler as propaganda for his regime and a singing competition in which Israel is one of dozens of competitors speaks volumes.

omg this comment made everything different to me!

 

thank you for opening my eyes and making me realize that allowing a genocidal country to participate is not that bad  

Edited March 29, 2024 by Jjang

[Jjang]

7 minutes ago, vale9001 said:

 

"By the way, if you ever visit Israel - don't go outside of Tel Aviv."

 

there are gay palestinians escaped from their state to be welcomed as refugees in Israel and you write to someone to not go to in some Jerusalem neighboourd. Please have mercy for our basic common sense 

 

also writing "hamas is homophobic" ...again have mercy for our common sense...Palestine is homophobic, not only Hamas.

 

Saying that of course I agree saying a genocide is ok (or at least something we shouldn't care too much) in a country cause for their culture they are still a mysoginist- homophobic etc.. makes not sense and it's kinda scary as way of thinking. 

let's make it extremely simple for you to grasp: whether Palestine/Palestinians are homophobic is completely and utterly irrelevant. The only reason this is being brought up to begin with is due to how normalized rampant anti-arab racism and Islamophobia are these days and Western gays that think their little circle of identity politics dynamic naturally parallel politics of countries that have been torn to shreds by imperialism since their inception and haven't had a single day of peace lived or real autonomy/authority over their own bodies. 

Edited March 29, 2024 by Jjang

[Mean Trees]

8 minutes ago, vale9001 said:

 

"By the way, if you ever visit Israel - don't go outside of Tel Aviv."

 

there are gay palestinians escaped from their state to be welcomed as refugees in Israel and you write to someone to not go to in some Jerusalem neighboourd. Please have mercy for our basic common sense 

 

also writing "hamas is homophobic" ...again have mercy for our common sense...Palestine is homophobic, not only Hamas.

 

Saying that of course I agree saying a genocide is ok (or at least something we shouldn't care too much) in a country cause for their culture they are still a mysoginist- homophobic etc.. makes not sense and it's kinda scary as way of thinking. 

How many at that? Also Israel will literally blackmail LGBT+ Palestinians so I have no idea why you would act like Israel is any paradise for queer people. Just fake.

[Solaria]

Some of y'all really need to google Maslow's Pyramid once in a while because how are we still circling back to the ''b-b-b-but gay rights!!!'' debate 

[khalyan]

I merged the Olly thread with the main Eurovision thread. Today, nine artists released statements about Palestine, not just Olly. Artists like Bambie Thug stated in separate statements that them dropping out would result in one less pro-Palestine voice at the contest and their voices at the contest are the most necessary in protesting Israel and their participation. 

[Jjang]

3 minutes ago, Solaria said:

Some of y'all really need to google Maslow's Pyramid once in a while because how are we still circling back to the ''b-b-b-but gay rights!!!'' debate 

how ATRL gays think it goes:

 

Israel: knock knock! Palestinian we're ethnically cleansing you out of your home and will murder you if you disobey 

Palestinian: but wait! I'm gay! 

Israel: oh! you could have told us that in the first place, you're off to go baby girl!! 

[supaspaz]

37 minutes ago, Jjang said:

omg this comment made everything different to me!

 

thank you for opening my eyes and making me realize that allowing a genocidal country to participate is not that bad  

The point is that people can reasonably disagree about forms of protest and you immediately jumping to compare people to Nazi sympathizers is not the rhetorical slam dunk you think it is. It just makes clear your lack of perspective.

[Komet]

I did not just see somebody say 'whether somebody considers you to be sub-human is irrelevant'