Helios Posted May 13, 2023 Posted May 13, 2023 Did people just think they werent going to have to pay their loans back forever or???
Communion Posted May 13, 2023 Posted May 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, Helios said: Did people just think they werent going to have to pay their loans back forever or??? Biden: *breathes* You:
ClashAndBurn Posted May 13, 2023 Author Posted May 13, 2023 5 minutes ago, Helios said: Did people just think they werent going to have to pay their loans back forever or??? Nah, Joe Biden failed to deliver on a promise he made to get elected… that he never wanted to get done anyway. He has the unilateral authority to cancel any and all student debt, period, and he won’t use it. What is clear to me is this. He wants the courts to block it and set the precedent that it can never be done in the future.
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted May 13, 2023 ATRL Moderator Posted May 13, 2023 26 minutes ago, Helios said: Did people just think they werent going to have to pay their loans back forever or??? How awesome would it be if Biden cancelled student debt entirely so that would be true?
Jotham Posted May 13, 2023 Posted May 13, 2023 19 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: He has the unilateral authority to cancel any and all student debt, period, and he won’t use it. You act like the president has some magic wand that can do anything.
Communion Posted May 13, 2023 Posted May 13, 2023 Just now, Jotham said: You act like the president has some magic wand that can do anything. What action is "making" him end the student loan pause on 06/30? Quickly, cite it for us.
Xtina23 Posted May 13, 2023 Posted May 13, 2023 This was announced a long time ago along with the Supreme Court expected to make their decision next month. This is NOT recent news.
TeeJay Posted May 13, 2023 Posted May 13, 2023 11 minutes ago, Communion said: What action is "making" him end the student loan pause on 06/30? Quickly, cite it for us. The reason the loan payments were paused was due to the covid crisis and people losing their jobs cuz of it. The covid emergency situation is over therefore the measures taken to mitigate that crisis are now coming to an end, it's really that simple. I think it would be amazing if peoples debt could be erased, it would help alot of people, but in reality, if you take a loan, you are expected to pay it back and you know that, period.
ATRL Administrator Ryan Posted May 13, 2023 ATRL Administrator Posted May 13, 2023 He took steps to wipe thousands of dollars of debt and ended up in court. He suspended debt payments and ended up in court. The House and Senate did not pass a law to get it done because of a combination of feckless individuals, corporate sellouts and obstructionist Republicans. Without a filibuster proof majority nothing was passing the Senate. Biden did what he could within the confines of established law. He was the one trying (even if it was low effort and had to be dragged into doing it) to get it done. Want debt eliminated? Give him a congress that’ll do it. Give him state houses that won’t shop legal challenges in court circuits. Or as some on ATRL will say: “Just vote for Marianne and she’ll get it done!”
Communion Posted May 13, 2023 Posted May 13, 2023 36 minutes ago, TeeJay said: The covid emergency situation is over therefore the measures taken to mitigate that crisis are now coming to an end, What policy dictates that the Department of Education must collect on loan balances owed to them, now or at any point, let alone one dictating the end of such? "COVID is ending" makes no coherent argument given that the proposed payment restart date - September 1st, 2023 - has no significance with regards to COVID policy. Quickly, cite it for all of us right here.
jorjapuss Posted May 13, 2023 Posted May 13, 2023 Can someone come up quick with a new virus or something?
Helios Posted May 13, 2023 Posted May 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Bloo said: How awesome would it be if Biden cancelled student debt entirely so that would be true? I don’t think he can do that but it’s stalled right now. It’s literally being discussed in the Supreme Court because of multiple Republican states suing his administration over it. All we can do is wait for their predictable decision. 😔
TeeJay Posted May 13, 2023 Posted May 13, 2023 omg i didn't even notice that the person I responded to was THAT user. I make it a point and have for years not to engage with that troll so i feel gross knowing that I replied to them. Just disgusting.....
Communion Posted May 13, 2023 Posted May 13, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bloo said: How awesome would it be if Biden cancelled student debt entirely so that would be true? This is genuinely the issue with partisan Dems - and I thank you for hammering in 2020 that the Issue is partisanship before everything else. Because these convos expose such a hurdle driven by self-identification and tribalism that there's no actual capacity of logic at play. How do you convince people immune to logic? *Biden gets praised for promising to cancel student debt and roll out new IDR plans* Partisans: "Biden is our FDR as he understands what most voters need and care about " *Biden admin fumbling and failing to cancel debt, while rewarding debt companies suing them* Partisans: "Why do you feel entitled to not pay off loans you took? Stop being lazy!!" Partisans defending Biden don't even like seeing their team win. They just have a fetish in the form of an identity they've formed around a political party. It's in-group virtue signaling. Cause student debt forgiveness is popular! It wins elections! It's why Biden won in 2020! Those defending this WANT Biden to lose! Biden WANTS to lose! Let alone that, even If we ignore the failure on forgiveness, there's still little information publicly available on just how the revised IDR plans will work and how to roll them out. His DoE has rewarded the same loan processors who say they will not be able to manage or accurately assess things like if someone has been on a decade's worth of income-driven repayments, just as is happening with the PSLF. All this while payments could start in less than 50 days. Edited May 13, 2023 by Communion
Kakihara Posted May 13, 2023 Posted May 13, 2023 2 hours ago, ClashAndBurn said: Nah, Joe Biden failed to deliver on a promise he made to get elected… that he never wanted to get done anyway. He has the unilateral authority to cancel any and all student debt, period, and he won’t use it. What is clear to me is this. He wants the courts to block it and set the precedent that it can never be done in the future. Is it that easy?
Communion Posted May 13, 2023 Posted May 13, 2023 11 minutes ago, TeeJay said: i feel gross.... Just disgusting..... 5 minutes ago, Communion said: *Biden gets praised for promising to cancel student debt and roll out new IDR plans* Partisans: "Biden is our FDR as he understands what most voters need and care about " *Biden admin fumbling and failing to cancel debt, while rewarding debt companies suing them* Partisans: "Why do you feel entitled to not pay off loans you took? Stop being lazy!!" Like clockwork.
Sesame Posted May 13, 2023 Posted May 13, 2023 56 minutes ago, Helios said: I don’t think he can do that but it’s stalled right now. It’s literally being discussed in the Supreme Court because of multiple Republican states suing his administration over it. All we can do is wait for their predictable decision. 😔 If it’s ends up getting blocked at the supreme court level then it needs to be used as a precedent to start taking back the PPP loans and sending out bills. The republicans would hard stop.
Helios Posted May 13, 2023 Posted May 13, 2023 13 minutes ago, Sesame said: If it’s ends up getting blocked at the supreme court level then it needs to be used as a precedent to start taking back the PPP loans and sending out bills. The republicans would hard stop. Imagine? Those f***ers really said pay off my loans but let everyone else suffer. God I hate Republicans so much.
Zoomer Posted May 13, 2023 Posted May 13, 2023 That will not happen anytime soon. It will take a massive revolution for that to become reality. 1) A lot of money owed. Which could be prioritized in other areas like healthcare, education, national security and aids. 2) It will open the Pandora’s box for future loaners that theirs will be cancelled/forgiven too. Which the government can’t afford in theory.
ATRL Moderator Bloo Posted May 13, 2023 ATRL Moderator Posted May 13, 2023 2 hours ago, Communion said: This is genuinely the issue with partisan Dems - and I thank you for hammering in 2020 that the Issue is partisanship before everything else. Because these convos expose such a hurdle driven by self-identification and tribalism that there's no actual capacity of logic at play. How do you convince people immune to logic? *Biden gets praised for promising to cancel student debt and roll out new IDR plans* Partisans: "Biden is our FDR as he understands what most voters need and care about " *Biden admin fumbling and failing to cancel debt, while rewarding debt companies suing them* Partisans: "Why do you feel entitled to not pay off loans you took? Stop being lazy!!" Partisans defending Biden don't even like seeing their team win. They just have a fetish in the form of an identity they've formed around a political party. It's in-group virtue signaling. Cause student debt forgiveness is popular! It wins elections! It's why Biden won in 2020! Those defending this WANT Biden to lose! Biden WANTS to lose! Let alone that, even If we ignore the failure on forgiveness, there's still little information publicly available on just how the revised IDR plans will work and how to roll them out. His DoE has rewarded the same loan processors who say they will not be able to manage or accurately assess things like if someone has been on a decade's worth of income-driven repayments, just as is happening with the PSLF. All this while payments could start in less than 50 days. Yep. A person’s ability to criticize the party they more routinely vote for is probably the most fundamental and important way to categorize voters. The blind loyalty to the Democratic Party above all else exercised by some voters is so… unhelpful that it coddles their mediocrity. It’s just ironic because they’re the same people that will call out the blind loyalty of the GOP base without flinching.
Bosque Posted May 13, 2023 Posted May 13, 2023 I’m all for debt relief but at the end of the day it got blocked, payments were paused for a long time and were obviously gonna restart eventually. That’s just how loans work. I understand people are mad at the PPP loans being forgiven but those are completely different conceptually and legally than educational loans. So even if it is unfair to some people, I’m not sure how it is at all related to student loan payments. They’re completely separate topics.
ClashAndBurn Posted May 13, 2023 Author Posted May 13, 2023 3 hours ago, Kakihara said: Is it that easy? Could have been! But Biden chose the path of most resistance for a reason. Means-tested applications meant to slow down the process rather than blanket relief of some amount to ALL borrowers which could have gone out immediately gave Republicans a chance to field a case that could grind the entire thing to a halt.
chessguy99 Posted May 13, 2023 Posted May 13, 2023 13 hours ago, Ryan said: He took steps to wipe thousands of dollars of debt and ended up in court. He suspended debt payments and ended up in court. The House and Senate did not pass a law to get it done because of a combination of feckless individuals, corporate sellouts and obstructionist Republicans. Without a filibuster proof majority nothing was passing the Senate. Biden did what he could within the confines of established law. He was the one trying (even if it was low effort and had to be dragged into doing it) to get it done. Want debt eliminated? Give him a congress that’ll do it. Give him state houses that won’t shop legal challenges in court circuits. Or as some on ATRL will say: “Just vote for Marianne and she’ll get it done!” No he didn't. He used a justification that legal scholars universally agreed would be able to be challenged in court and voided by the SCOTUS. There were ways that would have stood up to challenge. The Biden Administration basically delivered on their promise in a way they knew wouldn't survive a legal challenge. Biden played the student loan recipients.
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