discussion Is it time to end the Monarchy?

[Wonderland]

 

The Royal Family have been facing plummeting popularity and their approval is at an all time low with younger generations. Many are critical of their wealth; saying it has been built upon both colonisation and the exploitation of many nations with people of colour. The effects of this are still being played out today across the world. Additionally, many nations in the commonwealth are questioning the relevancy of having a head of state that lives in a castle on the other side of the world.

 

On the other hand, pro-monarchists argue they provide many British people with pride and bring a sense of patriotism to many. They do a lot of advocacy for global health and charitable causes and it is said they bring in tourism dollars for the British economy. In other territories in the commonwealth, it is argued they provide a stable head of state that isn't politicised and that this can help ensure a more stable form of government in the form of a constitutional monarchy.

 

King Charles III may officially take the throne today, but is it time the GP took the crown back from him? What are your thoughts?

 

***PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU VOTE IN THE RIGHT CATEGORY***

 

I'm particularly interested in separating the views of ATRLers living in the UK and in commonwealth nations. To ensure everyone else isn't left out, I'll make a category for y'all too but please be respectful and vote as accurately as you can.

 

[MotoPapi]

Yes it should end

 

prince Phillip was a notorious racist and his wife never had a problem with it so it tells me she was a racist also. I’m sure they passed down those views to their children.

Edited May 6, 2023 by MotoPapi

[Cain]

Yeah it’s a really weird system 

[Miss Show Business]

No.

 

I think it should be preserved for historical importance. It's literally the only monarchy left in Europe that has preserved so many of the religious traditions other still standing monarchies got rid of. But I DO think there needs to be several reforms to modernize it. The monarch should be nothing more than a ceremonial figurehead, and the laws surrounding the monarchy should be changed/updated to reflect this. Countries like Scotland and Wales should be able to form their own, independent governments.

Edited May 6, 2023 by Miss Show Business

[Alldeezy]

As someone who is half English I got nothing against it as I was sad when the Queen died however idc for any of the others tbh.

[visions]

Yes. 

 

I don't think keeping it for the sake of keeping it is a good argument  A country going through an insane cost of living crisis currently spending £100 million on an outdated, classist, incestuous regime is the most ridiculous, spit in the face of the British people. And yet some continue to lick boots of people that don't even care if they're FED. Let them eat cake etc.

 

[Fevesy]

I live in the UK and to me they are glorified celebrities nowadays. In the era of tabloids and social media all of the grandeur, mystery and pagentry is gone especially with all the scandals in the early 90s to now.

 

Elizabeth was the pillar holding it all together. In 100 years time I don't see a monarchy in the UK.

[apasionata]

Yes and any argument against is void.

[BOOMBAYAH]

Literally every argument for is just sentimentals + blind nationalism. They need to GO. The fact that this charade of a coronation is happening during the cost of living crisis is absolutely insane. (Also don’t get me started on the Jeffery Epstein + Jimmy Saville connections, because yes it can get that sinister). 

[GoodGuyGoneGhetto]

Yes.

 

Queen Elizabeth was the central figurehead who was actually holding it in place for all these decades, even in the midst of all the notorious scandals the family faced. 
 

She certainly wasn’t/isn’t a saint, and there were many times where she surely used and abused the laws that were put in place to protect her and her family from what ordinary citizens couldn’t dream of, but she was the last monarch whose popularity actually crossed over to many different demographics and ages and peoples actually seemed to like her.
 

Nobody, in 2023, aside from middle-aged to geriatric conservatives and royalists (mostly White English people living in the Rural suburbs/counties) actually care about the philandering and power-hungry Charles III or the dull, attention-seeking mistress that is Camilla. They’re both old, out of shape and the fact that we, the British people, are using our funds to still uphold this catastrophic institution, in the middle of an economic/financial crisis, is a joke. 
 

 

This monarchy will be almost dead and buried by the 2050’s, or even before then.
 

 

They’ve tried in the last several decades or so to become even more “diverse” and “super-inclusive” and it still seems fake. This family simply wants to hold on to their pure, fully white, aristocratic, supremacy-laden, status as much as possible and as they have done the last 1K+ years. 
 

 

@Wonderland

Edited May 6, 2023 by GoodGuyGoneGhetto

[Moonlight Nation]

15 minutes ago, Fevesy said:

I live in the UK and to me they are glorified celebrities nowadays. In the era of tabloids and social media all of the grandeur, mystery and pagentry is gone especially with all the scandals in the early 90s to now.

 

Elizabeth was the pillar holding it all together. In 100 years time I don't see a monarchy in the UK.

You're being too generous with the 100 years prediction. I'd give 10 or even five depending on how the socioeconomic climate continues and/or changes. 

 

1 minute ago, BOOMBAYAH said:

Literally every argument for is just sentimentals + blind nationalism. They need to GO. The fact that this charade of a coronation is happening during the cost of living crisis is absolutely insane. (Also don’t get me started on the Jeffery Epstein + Jimmy Saville connections, because yes it can get that sinister). 

Don't forget that the coronation is being funded by UK taxpayers, since it's a state function. Beyond messed up.

 

OT: Living in Europe and not part of the Commonwealth, but in my view the monarchy is such an archaic concept on several levels. The history can still be preserved without giving these people the absurd privileges they currently have. 

[Antisocialites]

It was time even in the last century, like why is still going 

[PopKills]

I think the monarchy is kinda dumb but it should exist at least till Katy’s performance tomorrow 

[MadonnasBoyfriend]

not every country in the world needs to adopt the forced woke mentality of the us. They can continue to do there thing there because not everything needs to be woke everywhere

[thetea]

i'm from new zealand where the monarchy still has some power over us. i didn't mind the monarchy with queen elizabeth but i feel like it's time for the monarchy to go away. i don't really care either way, it has no effect on my life but i don't see a purpose of the monarchy continuing.  

[thetea]

1 minute ago, MadonnasBoyfriend said:

not every country in the world needs to adopt the forced woke mentality of the us. They can continue to do there thing there because not everything needs to be woke everywhere

it seems like a lot of people in the UK are over it too though. 

[shyboi]

No, i like it

[GoodGuyGoneGhetto]

8 minutes ago, MadonnasBoyfriend said:

not every country in the world needs to adopt the forced woke mentality of the us. They can continue to do there thing there because not everything needs to be woke everywhere

What “forced, woke mentality” are you talking about?

 

Furthermore, stop using buzzwords that you don’t even know the meaning of. What does “wokeness” have to do with anything?

 

 

This thread is the true feelings of millions of Brits. right now whose taxes are being used to fund this farce and will continue too, even in the midst of a deep financial crisis and mass, internalized poverty and homelessness taking place. Please. 

Edited May 6, 2023 by GoodGuyGoneGhetto

[Wonderland]

20 minutes ago, GoodGuyGoneGhetto said:

Yes.

 

Queen Elizabeth was the central figurehead who was actually holding it in place for all these decades, even in the midst of all the notorious scandals the family faced. 
 

She certainly wasn’t/isn’t a saint, and there were many times where she surely used and abused the laws that were put in place to protect her and her family from what ordinary citizens couldn’t dream of, but she was the last monarch whose popularity actually crossed over to many different demographics and ages and peoples actually seemed to like her.
 

Nobody, in 2023, aside from middle-aged to geriatric conservatives and royalists (mostly White English people living in the Rural suburbs/counties) actually care about the philandering and power-hungry Charles III or the dull, attention-seeking mistress that is Camilla. They’re both old, out of shape and the fact that we, the British people, are using our funds to still uphold this catastrophic institution, in the middle of an economic/financial crisis, is a joke. 
 

 

This monarchy will be almost dead and buried by the 2050’s, or even before then.
 

 

They’ve tried in the last several decades or so to become even more “diverse” and “super-inclusive” and it still seems fake. This family simply wants to hold on to their pure, fully white, aristocratic, supremacy-laden, status as much as possible and as they have done the last 1K+ years. 
 

 

@Wonderland

Well then  

[The Next Day]

Whatever the people want. I do not care what happens to that family. Although I think Charles made a huge mistake not giving up the throne. William is still young and a much more sympathetic character than his father. I think their downfall is inevitable, but William as a king might have slowed the process down.

[EtherealCat]

im from the uk and i dont care if it exists or not

[cockatoo]

I'm from the UK and I think yes. Abolish the whole aristocracy and reform the House of Lords while we're at it. Then give the properties to the state/National Trust/English heritage and open up them up to the public to visit.

 

I have no personal beef with Charles and Camilla and I think a lot of the hate they get is a bit ridiculous. It all stems from people's bizarre parasocial relationship with Diana and the fact that they take the affair as some personal slight 

 

But the Queen was very popular and I always had a little bit of a soft spot for her. With her gone the whole thing just seems pointless. 

[cockatoo]

27 minutes ago, MadonnasBoyfriend said:

not every country in the world needs to adopt the forced woke mentality of the us. They can continue to do there thing there because not everything needs to be woke everywhere

In what way is the US woke exactly? Universal healthcare? Gun control? Progressive abortion legislation? Workers rights? Oh wait...

[Tusk]

I hit the wrong button 

 

abolish it!

[iconicyayo]

honestly i think it is ridiculous to host such an extravagant display during the cost of living crisis. but overall, although i have no personal care or like for any of them really, i think i’d rather retain the monarchy than trust the british public to elect a head of state.

 

besides that, i do think the soft power, free press etc. that having such a prominent royal family is important to the country ‘brand’ and they are very skilled at maintaining international ties / respect. like it’s a farce to us in the uk but worldwide a lot of people do really see it as an enticing grandiose spectacle. i guess it adds a sense of regality to an otherwise not as interesting island. it is debatable whether or not there is a net gain of having the royal family attract tourists, maintain international relations etc. is but it’s not like if they disappeared tomorrow it would change people’s lives drastically either way tbh. poor people will still be poor and rich people will still be rich. 

 

idk. there’s a lot of factors to consider. i’m not a royalist by any means but i also don’t see much reason to abolish them other than to prove a point.