Brishka Posted April 28, 2023 Author Posted April 28, 2023 16 hours ago, Tropez said: The US is only providing aid because those are military contracts that provide the country more money, and more political clout. The US will use that to their advantage. Europe, should be providing the most aid. They shouldn’t be depending on another country an ocean and continent away. Especially on another country well documented to be as bad as Russia. The far right is in European countries. But they did not come as close to the US one. Nor did they attempt to stage a coup. Really think about it. The US is simply one election away from having a far right government. If the Covid issue did not happen. Trump would be sitting in office happily letting Russia invade. Republicans are on Russian money. It doesn't matter what's the motivation behind this aid is. The fact that it made sure that Ukraine is a free and sovereign state and most of its citizens are not subjugated to the horrors of russian occupation. If it wasn't for the U.S. military aid, there would be another Bucha massacre in every Ukrainian town since this is exactly what the russian terrorist state intended to do based on countless leaked statements (and France wouldn't care). Europe simply isn't capable of providing this aid because it had been ignoring America's requests to ramp up military spending for decades. France's army is a joke. No one is going to rely on that. Not to mention that a lot of French people have a snobbish attitude toward people from central/eastern Europe. This is like the textbook definition of false equivalence . You comparing the country that is threatening Europe with nuclear strikes on a daily basis and (unsuccessfully) tried freezing Europe to death to the country that has provided vast military and financial aid to save the biggest European country from the genocidal invasion. The US is the only reason why countries like Latvia, Lithuania, and Poland remain independent states. Trump and his supporters do not represent America, and there's very strong bipartisan support for NATO and Ukraine aid. Trump is unlikely to return to the White House based on current polling numbers, but France is very likely to pick Le Pen as their next president.
Aren Posted April 28, 2023 Posted April 28, 2023 Did any of these countries disapprove of the US when it invaded and killed 3 million Iraqis? Oh I forgot it, they all supported the invasion.
Tropez Posted April 29, 2023 Posted April 29, 2023 On 4/28/2023 at 6:17 AM, Brishka said: It doesn't matter what's the motivation behind this aid is. The fact that it made sure that Ukraine is a free and sovereign state and most of its citizens are not subjugated to the horrors of russian occupation. If it wasn't for the U.S. military aid, there would be another Bucha massacre in every Ukrainian town since this is exactly what the russian terrorist state intended to do based on countless leaked statements (and France wouldn't care). Europe simply isn't capable of providing this aid because it had been ignoring America's requests to ramp up military spending for decades. France's army is a joke. No one is going to rely on that. Not to mention that a lot of French people have a snobbish attitude toward people from central/eastern Europe. This is like the textbook definition of false equivalence . You comparing the country that is threatening Europe with nuclear strikes on a daily basis and (unsuccessfully) tried freezing Europe to death to the country that has provided vast military and financial aid to save the biggest European country from the genocidal invasion. The US is the only reason why countries like Latvia, Lithuania, and Poland remain independent states. Trump and his supporters do not represent America, and there's very strong bipartisan support for NATO and Ukraine aid. Trump is unlikely to return to the White House based on current polling numbers, but France is very likely to pick Le Pen as their next president. This is utter tripe. Europe should not depend on a country on another continent to defend them. European countries should be self sufficient. They need to build up their own militaries and follow the rules they laid out themselves for budget. Americans should not have to foot the bill for Euros who don’t even like Americans. It’s stupid. Trump and the far right do represent the US. As too many people voted for him. The US has a history of far right, white supremacy, and fascist tendencies. The US has invaded countless countries, and meddled in too many foreign elections, on top of committing actual crimes against humanity. Europe following the US will do nothing but bring even more wars and destruction to Europe. They need to cut the US off.
Wonderland Posted April 29, 2023 Posted April 29, 2023 The US number is actually pretty impressive when you consider how much pro-Russian content Fox News had with Tucker.
Stimulus Posted April 29, 2023 Posted April 29, 2023 (edited) When your country is being invaded by another country that has a much larger military than yours, you don't have the luxury to pick and choose which country to accept support from. You take any support you can get because your existence is under threat. That's why Ukraine continues to ask the U.S. for support and Ukraine is consistently grateful for U.S. support. The rest of Europe has no right to determine whether Ukraine accepts U.S. support. The suggestion for the rest of Europe to cut off U.S. support to Ukraine is so ludicrous, it honestly looks like veiled pro-Russian propaganda especially considering just how unpopular Russia is right now. Edited April 29, 2023 by Stimulus
Gov Hooka Posted April 29, 2023 Posted April 29, 2023 21 hours ago, Aren said: Did any of these countries disapprove of the US when it invaded and killed 3 million Iraqis? Oh I forgot it, they all supported the invasion. Literally this. The hypocrisy is just so blatant
ontherocks Posted April 29, 2023 Posted April 29, 2023 On 4/27/2023 at 6:47 PM, Tropez said: Europe is strong enough to defend itself. It does not need the US for that. Just looking at their spending, they are under their agreed upon budget goals for NATO. Depending on another country for defense is absolutely dumb. Especially since the US has shown to be aggressive plenty of times. This will surely blow up in Europes face when the far right takes over the US. Europe is not strong enough to defend itself. Utter delusion. Europe will stay a close ally of the US forever otherwise we want Russia invading us
Gov Hooka Posted April 29, 2023 Posted April 29, 2023 2 minutes ago, ontherocks said: Europe is not strong enough to defend itself. Utter delusion. Europe will stay a close ally of the US forever otherwise we want Russia invading us No need the US has already invaded and occupied Europe economically and with military bases for decades and turned the countries into client states. And Europeans wonder why far right movements are increasing in their countries and standards of living are slowly beginning to decline…
Stimulus Posted April 29, 2023 Posted April 29, 2023 Most European countries appreciate U.S. support, particularly after Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Europe generally sees the U.S. as a reliable partner and has a positive opinion of the U.S., even though the U.S. has internal conflict. https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2022/06/22/international-public-opinion-of-the-u-s-remains-positive/ Nobody here has given a single good reason why Ukraine should turn down U.S. support when it has been essential for allowing Ukraine to defend itself against Russia's much larger military.
ontherocks Posted April 29, 2023 Posted April 29, 2023 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Gov Hooka said: No need the US has already invaded and occupied Europe economically and with military bases for decades and turned the countries into client states. And Europeans wonder why far right movements are increasing in their countries and standards of living are slowly beginning to decline… I should have told ppl earlier on here that I don't discuss with Commies Edited April 29, 2023 by ontherocks
Pendulum Posted April 30, 2023 Posted April 30, 2023 2 hours ago, ZIVERT said: and a BAD and UNETHICAL linguistics professor at that
Tropez Posted April 30, 2023 Posted April 30, 2023 19 hours ago, ontherocks said: Europe is not strong enough to defend itself. Utter delusion. Europe will stay a close ally of the US forever otherwise we want Russia invading us Europe can be. They literally do not spend enough on military. If they actually increased their budget, they would be able to afford better defenses. This has been a long going issue between the US and Europe. Europeans are not picking up the slack and essentially forcing Americans to foot the bill. This is wrong. Europeans need to learn to defend themselves. They cannot continue to depend on another country to defend them.
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