discussion Do You Want Biden To Run in 2024?

[Letemtalk]

I am not an American and I'm puzzled that America can't find someone under 100 to run for president.

He would be better than Trump of course, but you have more than 300 million people in the United States, are those two really the best America has?

 

[Leppie]

I support his run. He is the greatest president of all time

[katykater]

I am not an American and Biden is necessary for uniting the democracies in the world against the dictatorships like Russia, China,...

 

He is the one making sure that the West stays on top and Russia, China,... are thrown under the bus and many busses keep driving over them.

 

If we play the game strategically well, Russia falls apart in many countries and China will be flopping perpetually and has no chance at recovery in the next 3 decades.

 

Like how Japan peaked like a fad in 1989 and ended up flopping ever harder.

 

 

Can't escape the -75% decline.

 

We are in very important years. Depending on our choices how to help Ukraine, how to get the arms industry in the West started and Europeans starting to take defence seriously. We can choose between peace in next 3 decades or the dictatorships will become more aggressive, starting more wars till the entire world is at war.

 

If we don't want escalation towards an world war, we have to be so overpowering strong to ensure the dictatorships wouldn't dare to gamble with starting a war.

 

There is a difference between "Is he a good president?" and "Is he the right person to lead the country, the democracies,... in war time?".

 

Once the war is over, the people can vote for someone else than their war time leader. In peace time there are other needs, priorities,... requiring someone else.

[Helios]

10 hours ago, GraceRandolph said:

2020 was MUCH different. The Covid fallout was still on people’s minds, and the Democrats pushed like no one’s business to get Biden elected. Young voters are turning on Biden, and without an energized base, a re-election becomes an uphill battle. 

Young voters are not turning on Biden they straight up just dont like him but guess who they hate even more? 

[Helios]

6 hours ago, katykater said:

I am not an American and Biden is necessary for uniting the democracies in the world against the dictatorships like Russia, China,...

 

He is the one making sure that the West stays on top and Russia, China,... are thrown under the bus and many busses keep driving over them.

 

If we play the game strategically well, Russia falls apart in many countries and China will be flopping perpetually and has no chance at recovery in the next 3 decades.

 

Like how Japan peaked like a fad in 1989 and ended up flopping ever harder.

 

 

Can't escape the -75% decline.

 

We are in very important years. Depending on our choices how to help Ukraine, how to get the arms industry in the West started and Europeans starting to take defence seriously. We can choose between peace in next 3 decades or the dictatorships will become more aggressive, starting more wars till the entire world is at war.

 

If we don't want escalation towards an world war, we have to be so overpowering strong to ensure the dictatorships wouldn't dare to gamble with starting a war.

 

There is a difference between "Is he a good president?" and "Is he the right person to lead the country, the democracies,... in war time?".

 

Once the war is over, the people can vote for someone else than their war time leader. In peace time there are other needs, priorities,... requiring someone else.

 

[John Slayne]

Biden was tired and stale on arrival. He barely beat Dump after disastrous 4 years, the US desperately needs a fresh progressive in charge to enact actual change and policies for their citizens as well as the planet. 

[John Slayne]

1 hour ago, Helios said:

Young voters are not turning on Biden they straight up just dont like him but guess who they hate even more? 

Young voters may be very progressive and anti-Trump, but they are also notoriously unreliable and don't vote. You need to excite them and give them a reason to physically get off TikTok and go to the polls. 'Not being Trump' won't be enough to energise the young vote, especially these days when education and housing are unaffordable for young people + we have climate change, so a lot of young people just dgaf about old white men running on the same capitalistic policies that have been failing the country for decades.

[RunUpDoneUp]

No one with self respect wants a mediocre wasteman to occupy the presidency during a time when rightwing extremism is getting much more radical.

[AvadaKedavra]

8 hours ago, katykater said:

I am not an American and Biden is necessary for uniting the democracies in the world against the dictatorships like Russia, China,...

 

He is the one making sure that the West stays on top and Russia, China,... are thrown under the bus and many busses keep driving over them.

 

If we play the game strategically well, Russia falls apart in many countries and China will be flopping perpetually and has no chance at recovery in the next 3 decades.

 

Like how Japan peaked like a fad in 1989 and ended up flopping ever harder.

 

 

Can't escape the -75% decline.

 

We are in very important years. Depending on our choices how to help Ukraine, how to get the arms industry in the West started and Europeans starting to take defence seriously. We can choose between peace in next 3 decades or the dictatorships will become more aggressive, starting more wars till the entire world is at war.

 

If we don't want escalation towards an world war, we have to be so overpowering strong to ensure the dictatorships wouldn't dare to gamble with starting a war.

 

There is a difference between "Is he a good president?" and "Is he the right person to lead the country, the democracies,... in war time?".

 

Once the war is over, the people can vote for someone else than their war time leader. In peace time there are other needs, priorities,... requiring someone else.

I love your points 

[Letemtalk]

9 hours ago, katykater said:

Once the war is over, the people can vote for someone else than their war time leader. In peace time there are other needs, priorities,... requiring someone else.

There will always be a bogeyman for people to be frightened of, Communists, Iraq, Iran, Russia, China, immigrants coming over the border (or across the Mediterranean, depending on where you live). Once they are defeated, there will be a new one and people will say, "now is not the time".

[Helios]

5 hours ago, John Slayne said:

Young voters may be very progressive and anti-Trump, but they are also notoriously unreliable and don't vote. You need to excite them and give them a reason to physically get off TikTok and go to the polls. 'Not being Trump' won't be enough to energise the young vote, especially these days when education and housing are unaffordable for young people + we have climate change, so a lot of young people just dgaf about old white men running on the same capitalistic policies that have been failing the country for decades.

But that’s what I was told in 2018, 2020 and 2022. Your scare tactics aren’t working anymore.

[Novacaine]

I think it’s sad that for the 3rd election in a row that I’ve been able to partake in I will have to show up in disgust and vote for the lesser of evil between the two. Biden’s ass damn well knows that we voted for him just to keep the Oval Office seat warm. 

[Communion]

15 hours ago, katykater said:

I am not an American and Biden is necessary for uniting the democracies in the world against the dictatorships like Russia, China,...

 

He is the one making sure that the West stays on top and Russia, China,... are thrown under the bus and many busses keep driving over them.

 

If we play the game strategically well, Russia falls apart in many countries and China will be flopping perpetually and has no chance at recovery in the next 3 decades.

 

Like how Japan peaked like a fad in 1989 and ended up flopping ever harder.

 

 

Can't escape the -75% decline.

 

We are in very important years. Depending on our choices how to help Ukraine, how to get the arms industry in the West started and Europeans starting to take defence seriously. We can choose between peace in next 3 decades or the dictatorships will become more aggressive, starting more wars till the entire world is at war.

 

If we don't want escalation towards an world war, we have to be so overpowering strong to ensure the dictatorships wouldn't dare to gamble with starting a war.

 

There is a difference between "Is he a good president?" and "Is he the right person to lead the country, the democracies,... in war time?".

 

Once the war is over, the people can vote for someone else than their war time leader. In peace time there are other needs, priorities,... requiring someone else.

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The way Americans' lives are fodder for every other countries' sick war games and revenge fantasies. 

 

America is engaged in 0 wars right now. There is no wartime president when there are no wars. 

 

Why would you advocate for America to *start* a war with China, who has never threatened American militarily, for the sake of weakening China's economy, when even your average working class American benefits as a consumer from the unbalanced relationship between America as a consumer state and China as a production state? 

 

Where do you think all the cheap **** from Temu is produced that people on TikTok love?

Edited April 27, 2023 by Communion

[Vixen Eyes]

21 hours ago, blackoutbaby said:

I don’t understand why there isn’t an age cap on running

theres a minimin but not maximum for some reason

 

OT: id rather Michelle Obama run

[blackoutbaby]

1 hour ago, Vixen Eyes said:

theres a minimin but not maximum for some reason

It’s so weird.

[Bloodflowers.]

No. Biden will be losing general election even if it's Trump who is coming for revenge.

 

[P.O.P]

Omg LOCALLY and GLOBALLY PANNED 

[John Slayne]

On 4/27/2023 at 2:20 AM, Helios said:

But that’s what I was told in 2018, 2020 and 2022. Your scare tactics aren’t working anymore.

not to burst your bubble but Trump lost by less than 100k votes in 2020. similarly, most progressive policies in the Senate get blocked because Dem majority is so slim/non-existent. idk where your confidence in the current Democratic establishment comes from because in reality this administration is underdelivering big time.

 

 

[If U Seek Amy]

I am an American and I personally do not support Biden running. I do not think he has been bad, he has gotten some decent stuff done, but he could be doing more he isn't doing (whether that be purposefully or out of his hands) and also, I think he is just too old. But I am certainly going to vote for him over ANY Republican any day at this point in time. I would rather have his corpse propped up in the oval office than let Trump or Desantis ever see that office (again in trump's case). Which I always vote primaries even when possible (because not voting in primaries imo is how we get stuck with forced/bad candidates). But I do sadly understand end of day for now we have to settle when we have to settle in the end and just keep pushing for better and others to get educated/vote. 

[If U Seek Amy]

On 4/26/2023 at 6:32 AM, Letemtalk said:

I am not an American and I'm puzzled that America can't find someone under 100 to run for president.

He would be better than Trump of course, but you have more than 300 million people in the United States, are those two really the best America has?

 

It is sorta complicated so I will try to break it down as best as possible. Sorry if any of this is known to you and it seems like I am lecturing, I am not trying to.

 

Side note: A lot of this stuff is generalizing Americans, but America is a huge melting pot of diversity. When I say Americans this is just the majority typically white, often older, public that is probably still the biggest factor in elections, not all Americans. 

 

- Just for some background first. The young are notorious for not voting, there is voter suppression tactics that dance around legality for many minorities (e.g. removing ballot boxes, no mail-in voting allowed in some states, creating stricter ID requirements, moving voting locations far away from high minority areas so they are less inspired to go vote), and elections tend to typically be primarily determined by the elderly. For the first time in like ever in the US the young are finally starting to become significant players in elections and starting to grow up and staying liberal/left leaning/progressive despite the typical trend that people get more conservative as they age. So things are slowly changing. That is basically saving Democrats at this point and why the Republican party seems to be deteriorating in recent years, even when they should be winning bigger. Technology has created the ability to be more easily educated/involved/informed. Also, the young seeing how they are personally getting screwed over and this has put a fire under them to care more whereas in the past they would just ignore the TV or radio or whatever or just not pay attention and be clueless. Also, it is now more sorta trendy to be socially aware of problems and care than in prior generations. Which is a great thing. 

 

- Americans are obsessed with who they know, even if they have awful approval. They will complain about age, but they usually prefer the devil they know, not the unknown (especially the older Americans). Which is why brand recognition even for politicians is so important. And to some extent with age comes experience and people find comfort in that sometimes. 

 

- Most Americans do not vote in primary elections which decides who is actually often on final ballots. Sorta elections before the actual elections for political parties. You can run independent/non-partisan, but they tend to almost never win because of the grip the 2 main American political parties have on people. So they are partially complicit in the final awful candidate choices due to laziness. They are starting to implement in some states/areas ranked choice and other voting measures to lessen the effects of the 2 parties and give more of a chance to others, but we are far from that being widespread. 

 

- The phenomenon of not voting Democrat/Republican is basically throwing a vote away is still very strong because third parties have very little money/support typically. So societally we mostly all just don't do it because we figure others won't do it also. So instead we throw our votes towards the lesser of two evils that will realistically actually have a shot at winning. 

 

- Along with the above notes, Americans are generally very uneducated and lazy with politics. They rarely research candidates and their history/what they stand for. They show up and vote Democrat or Republican based on what they historically have been raised to vote/told to vote. They usually do not have any idea what they are voting for, further leading to low candidate quality/who the Republican/Democrat parties force on us. If you ask most Americans what policies they support in the candidate they chose, they will struggle to name even 3, let alone one sometimes. Yet they will be the loudest people and have the strongest opinions despite having no actual clue beyond being enraged by what they read on social media. 

 

- Bipartisanship is still so strong in the US that most Americans tend to vote strictly down party lines regardless of candidate quality/factors. So if the political party decides to fund/force a certain candidate, it becomes the only candidate most voters know and end up just picking them because of recognition of the name/involvement with that party. And the parties will funnel tons of money towards negativity and slander on opposing candidates to get them not chosen. 

 

 

Sorry for the text dump but it is so complicated to outsiders I wanted to try to shed some light. I am sure this can probably be expanded even more and there are other variables. But those are some key factors. Thankfully the younger generation for the first time seems to be changing our country's history long trends in politics with the above noted concerns and abilities to be involved/educated and seem to be leading things the right way. We are hoping that continues. Also the young every election are starting to move more and more out of the party system and into third parties and hopefully that keeps growing and we focus on candidates, not parties. And vote based on actual issues, not the political party next to their name

 

[Helios]

2 hours ago, John Slayne said:

not to burst your bubble but Trump lost by less than 100k votes in 2020. similarly, most progressive policies in the Senate get blocked because Dem majority is so slim/non-existent. idk where your confidence in the current Democratic establishment comes from because in reality this administration is underdelivering big time.

 

 

No they arent. Biden got more bills passed in his first 2 years than most presidents in modern history. Also the Dems did better in the midterms than they have in 30 years. If you think peoples mindsets about Republicans are the same in 2024 than 2020 after all they did and everything they are doing right NOW well I dont know what to tell you. Do I think its going to be easy? No of course not there are millions of people who are mentally ill and will vote for a literal rapist/con artist/felon like Trump in 2024 but I am not scared that Trump is going to win? No, no Im not. So like I said the literal fear mongering and scare tactics from the far left dont scare democrats at all but you can keep trying even though nobody is listening. 

[Communion]

1 hour ago, Helios said:

 Also the Dems did better in the midterms than they have in 30 years. 

I'm sorry but this is the harm of ignorance and not understanding how midterms work.

 

Yes, Dems did well in 2022. But a significant part of that is the seats up for re-election in the Senate for them were *overwhelmingly in Democrats' favor* and was so good of a map that people were talking about the 2022 map all the way back in 2018 as good for Dems.

 

By comparison, the 2024 Senate map is one of the worst for Democrats in years.

By default, the GOP already have the advantage of flipping 3 seats with just West Virginia, Montana and Ohio.

[John Slayne]

1 hour ago, Helios said:

No of course not there are millions of people who are mentally ill and will vote for a literal rapist/con artist/felon like Trump in 2024 but I am not scared that Trump is going to win? No, no Im not. So like I said the literal fear mongering and scare tactics from the far left dont scare democrats at all but you can keep trying even though nobody is listening. 

people literally said this in 2016 and look what happened  

 

[John Slayne]

1 hour ago, Helios said:

No they arent. Biden got more bills passed in his first 2 years than most presidents in modern history. Also the Dems did better in the midterms than they have in 30 years. If you think peoples mindsets about Republicans are the same in 2024 than 2020 after all they did and everything they are doing right NOW well I dont know what to tell you. Do I think its going to be easy? No of course not there are millions of people who are mentally ill and will vote for a literal rapist/con artist/felon like Trump in 2024 but I am not scared that Trump is going to win? No, no Im not. So like I said the literal fear mongering and scare tactics from the far left dont scare democrats at all but you can keep trying even though nobody is listening. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationwide_opinion_polling_for_the_2024_United_States_presidential_election

 

does this look like a comfortable victory for biden to you? 

 

 

[Helios]

25 minutes ago, John Slayne said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationwide_opinion_polling_for_the_2024_United_States_presidential_election

 

does this look like a comfortable victory for biden to you? 

 

 

Not you actually thinking polls mean anything in 2023.  The desperation to see Biden fail is getting embarrassing. Just stop already.