news Democrats Cancel Primary Debates for 2024

[midnightdawn]

Stop the steal! Let them debate!

[Kassi]

13 hours ago, Bloo said:

This is such a horrible precedent. 
 

We need to stop just assuming incumbents are owed a lane. Voters should have the choice to revisit the candidacy of an incumbent candidate in a supposed Democracy. For full transparency, I strongly dislike Biden and think he’s a bad president. But, it would be a good opportunity for him to prove his naysayers (like me) wrong by making the case that he’s the best for the job against his contemporaries in a primary. If I have just his already shoddy record of siding with segregationists, defending credit card companies, and personally making it impossible for people to file bankruptcy for student debt, then I don’t have a strong reason to vote for him in 2024. If he wants to appeal to voters that are less impressed with the current status of his presidency, a primary is a golden opportunity for him. 

Winning is a great precedent. Wym? 
 

Anyway, none of these points resonate cause those things were true prior to 2020. Since then he’s revised his platform and we’ve seen the lengths he’s willing to go in instituting a progressive agenda, going as far as to support Bernie’s (failed) $3 trillion BBB and wiping out student loans (to the extent the courts allow it). Not only that, but he’s been able to somehow get Republicans on board with some bipartisan legislation in a way that even Obama struggled to do. THAT’S his most recent record, assess him on THAT. And If that’s shoddy to you, then by all means lash him.

 

But if you’re just wanting to rehash primaries to get more digs in, then say that. Cause at that point you don’t care about progress, you just want the mess.  Woo woo madame has never done anything for anyone and anti-vaxxer RFK is nobody’s serious contender. Not only is he a dynasty, but also a hardcore centrist, appealing to no one other than the center right contingent of the Democratic party. If smart, Michigan governor lady or Gavin Newsom was running, then you might have a point.

[Vermillion]

9 minutes ago, Kassi said:

If smart, Michigan governor lady or Gavin Newsom was running, then you might have a point.

Gretchen's chances are infinitely greater than Gavin's if we're entertaining that hypothetical, even with her being an insurance heir being a beast to get through in the Democratic primary. 

 

Neither hypothetical matters though because Kamala's being gifted the nomination in 2028 after which she'll lose the Electoral College by one of the greatest margins in history.

[ClashAndBurn]

12 minutes ago, Kassi said:

wiping out student loans (to the extent the courts allow it).

He literally slow-walked it in the hopes that the courts could stop it and create precedent that would prevent any student debt relief from ever coming in the future. It’s naïve to believe he ever actually wanted to do this.  

 

13 minutes ago, Kassi said:

If smart, Michigan governor lady or Gavin Newsom was running

Your opinion is immediately discardable if you believe Insurance Heiress Gretchen Whitmer or French Laundry Diner Gavin Newsom have national appeal.  

[If U Seek Amy]

People act like Biden having a majority in polls against him means anything 💀 Congress and their individual approvals are frequently low as hell and yet they keep winning most of the time despite the hate. People may dislike the state of the US and Biden rn, but they hate trump far worse and remind them of everything he did wrong and follow his charges and let him talk and enrage more and it’s an easy win. I don’t get why that is so hard for people to understand. 

[Bloo]

1 hour ago, Kassi said:

Winning is a great precedent. Wym? 

Winning because your opponent is so bad and not because the winning candidate was so good is not a good precedent. Also, I’m very uninterested in arguing with you. It’s like speaking to dry wall. You don’t want to see my very basic points? Fine. But how I feel about Joe Biden won’t be changed by whatever ChatGPT-like paragraphs you throw my way. So, please save yourself the keystrokes. 

[Kassi]

34 minutes ago, Bloo said:

Winning because your opponent is so bad and not because the winning candidate was so good is not a good precedent. Also, I’m very uninterested in arguing with you. It’s like speaking to dry wall. You don’t want to see my very basic points? Fine. But how I feel about Joe Biden won’t be changed by whatever ChatGPT-like paragraphs you throw my way. So, please save yourself the keystrokes. 

Very true in that there’s nothing to debate. You were wrong before and you’ll be wrong again.

 

The leftists “movement” has evaporated for a reason. 

[Kassi]

Biden in 2021: Withdraws from Afghanistan, increases min wage to $15, signs largest climate spending bill, nullifies student loans for majority of borrowers...

 

The girls, still stuck in 2020: Segregationist! Credit cards! Bankruptcy! 

 

Ok, mama! Get real! 

[ClashAndBurn]

5 minutes ago, Kassi said:

nullifies student loans for majority of borrowers

literally has not happened thanks to Biden's procrastination giving it time to be blocked. stop with your disgraceful lying  

 

EDIT: In fact, nearly all your points here are straight-up lies. The Federal Minimum Wage is still $7.25. Afghanistan withdrawal was initiated by Trump and he couldn't legitimately back out of it without reneging on the deal and escalating troop presence putting American lives in danger. The Climate Spending Bill is a disastrous joke that doesn't go nearly far enough, and is climate neutral if anything.

Edited April 25, 2023 by ClashAndBurn

[Kassi]

2 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

literally has not happened thanks to Biden's procrastination giving it time to be blocked. stop with your disgraceful lying  

This is a conspiracy theory but slay 

[DAP]

Well look on the bright side. Instead of hearing “you aren’t black if you don’t vote for me” from him, maybe we’ll hear another word he is most definitely familiar with. 

[Bloo]

26 minutes ago, Kassi said:

Very true in that there’s nothing to debate. You were wrong before and you’ll be wrong again.

 

The leftists “movement” has evaporated for a reason. 

"I think it's good when people have choices in a Democracy" is the correct position, actually. Whether that means voters just re-nominate a centrist like Biden again or otherwise. Giving people choices in a Democracy is a pretty basic concept that it's unfortunate you seem intent in refuting. If you want to lean into the anti-Democracy tendencies of the Republican Party, by all means.

[Bloo]

18 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

EDIT: In fact, nearly all your points here are straight-up lies.

Shocking.

[Vermillion]

1 hour ago, ClashAndBurn said:

EDIT: In fact, nearly all your points here are straight-up lies.

1 hour ago, Bloo said:

Shocking.

 

 

[Kassi]

6 hours ago, ClashAndBurn said:

literally has not happened thanks to Biden's procrastination giving it time to be blocked. stop with your disgraceful lying  

 

EDIT: In fact, nearly all your points here are straight-up lies. The Federal Minimum Wage is still $7.25. Afghanistan withdrawal was initiated by Trump and he couldn't legitimately back out of it without reneging on the deal and escalating troop presence putting American lives in danger. The Climate Spending Bill is a disastrous joke that doesn't go nearly far enough, and is climate neutral if anything.

Are you ok?  Conservative courts have been acting rogue for a minute now like:

• Ruling against the established precedent of Roe v Wade
• Restricting the role of the administrative state like the EPA
• And even attacking the medical establishment in limiting abortion pills

Did you think a completely NEW, giant, sweeping government program wouldn't come under the same scrutiny? Where were you when they struck down medicaid expansion in the ACA? 

 

Mama, this is CONSPIRATORIAL thinking. The courts are going to do what the courts are going to do. It doesn't mean that:

1. Warren Burgers court didn't settle the question of abortion
2. Nixon didn't establish the EPA with a sweeping mandate
3. The FDA didn't approve mifepristone
4. Pelosi didn't pass the ACA with mandatory medicaid expansion
5. Biden didn't do student loan forgiveness

Blaming Biden for the courts is just so... ajdsfk;   

 

And as for the rest...

 

And back when Biden extended the Afghanistan withdrawal date to plan for a smoother exist, YOU specifically were SO sure he wasn't going to withdraw. kflja;sd; Stop playing. I have a great memory.

 

And if the largest investment in climate means nothing, then you've already showed your hand. You're brazenly biased against Biden and nothing he does will ever change that. He could pass M4A tomorrow and the next thing you'd harp on is how it cratered the entire US economy (as would be the case), the same way you latched onto the drama that arose out of retreating from Afghanistan, gas prices, and inflation. The jig is up! 

[Kassi]

6 hours ago, Bloo said:

"I think it's good when people have choices in a Democracy" is the correct position, actually. Whether that means voters just re-nominate a centrist like Biden again or otherwise. Giving people choices in a Democracy is a pretty basic concept that it's unfortunate you seem intent in refuting. If you want to lean into the anti-Democracy tendencies of the Republican Party, by all means.

And when the primary comes around to everyone’s state, people will be able to vote for whomever they want, since Marianne and RFK will be on the ballot. 
 

It’s just that the DNC is (wisely) choosing not to organize a long, nasty, drawn-out political process where everyone’s money gets flushed down the drain and intra-party scuttles take up valuable news space. 
 

If Marianne and RFK can’t cut it on their own, that’s on them. Because the entire party apparatus is currently backing the SITTING President of the United States because that is the correct moral, political, and tactical position. If they want more “democracy” everyone feel free to hop into the fray come 2028.

[bad guy]

No surprise at the DNC rigging 

[bad guy]

The bipartisan support to ban Tiktok while Marianne is blowing up on the platform is also quite interesting but let’s not get into that can of worms.

 

[ClashAndBurn]

1 hour ago, Kassi said:

Are you ok?  Conservative courts have been acting rogue for a minute now like:

• Ruling against the established precedent of Roe v Wade
• Restricting the role of the administrative state like the EPA
• And even attacking the medical establishment in limiting abortion pills

Did you think a completely NEW, giant, sweeping government program wouldn't come under the same scrutiny? Where were you when they struck down medicaid expansion in the ACA? 

 

Mama, this is CONSPIRATORIAL thinking. The courts are going to do what the courts are going to do. It doesn't mean that:

1. Warren Burgers court didn't settle the question of abortion
2. Nixon didn't establish the EPA with a sweeping mandate
3. The FDA didn't approve mifepristone
4. Pelosi didn't pass the ACA with mandatory medicaid expansion
5. Biden didn't do student loan forgiveness

Blaming Biden for the courts is just so... ajdsfk;   

 

And as for the rest...

 

And back when Biden extended the Afghanistan withdrawal date to plan for a smoother exist, YOU specifically were SO sure he wasn't going to withdraw. kflja;sd; Stop playing. I have a great memory.

 

And if the largest investment in climate means nothing, then you've already showed your hand. You're brazenly biased against Biden and nothing he does will ever change that. He could pass M4A tomorrow and the next thing you'd harp on is how it cratered the entire US economy (as would be the case), the same way you latched onto the drama that arose out of retreating from Afghanistan, gas prices, and inflation. The jig is up! 

Do you ever get tired of lying? Do you ever feel any twinge of guilt for your chronic dishonesty?

 

Biden literally slow-walked his relief program by means-testing it and making it dependent on a complex bureaucratic process. This is expressly what have Republicans the time needed to build up a case of necessary standing in order to impose a stay on it and prevent the relief from happening. BIDEN made that choice. Announcing the policy months before putting up the application gave him the chance to claim a policy he doesn’t really support in order to trick voters into voting for his party during Midterms, then the relief was blocked AFTER said Midterms were over once the case against it could be built up.

 

Conservative courts should have been expected to do exactly this, so Biden should have shown more expedience/urgency in getting this policy through instead of weaponizing it and using it as a cudgel to beat poor people with. His actions show he never had an intention to help people. He wanted to trick us into voting for him. HIS actions betray either a sense of malevolence or incompetence.

[shyboi]

This shocked me! This is patriarchy as its finest

 

#MARIANNE2024

 

[One Rude Boy]

very democratic of them!

 

[GraceRandolph]

On 4/23/2023 at 11:52 PM, Save-Me-Oprah said:

Since when have either party held debates when they have an incumbent candidate? Let's be serious, this isn't news.

 

 

We’re not in the past, this is the present. Our incumbent is not popular, is the oldest president in history and has an even more unpopular VP. It’s not unreasonable to expect a debate given the state of affairs.

[Communion]

3 minutes ago, WildAmerican said:

a horrible precedent that happens every time there's an incumbent pres running for re-election?

Democrats have had incumbents run for president only 3 times since primaries as they are today started.

• Jimmy Carter, who had an actual primary opponent, yet refused to debate, showing himself as weak
• Bill Clinton, whose presidential impact resulted in his VP losing to GWB
• Barack Obama, whose presidential impact resulted in the rise of Donald Trump

In all three cases, Democrats taking the strategy of "run away when your base criticize your positions" resulted in failure. Carter running away from any criticism and losing made Dems pivot to this new idea of making it a social faux pas to challenge the incumbent. But all this has done is delay the same result - disillusioned voters after every 8 years allowing for giant sweeps for the opposing political party in response. 

 

People cope with this by arguing it's somehow natural "for the presidency to change parties every 8 years" and say "it'll inevitably be a GOP president in 2028 even if Biden wins" despite that the norm in the first half of the 1900s saw the same political parties hold the White House for up to 20 consecutive years.

[RunUpDoneUp]

As they should, have you heard biden speak about policy? He's dead if he does open that mouth.

 

Democrats are republicans in mind, shape and body, comes with the partisan hackery.

[EnoughSaid]

Give it a rest. In no world does Marianne have a modicum of a chance for anything, so goodbye