poll Bigger career: Taylor Swift or Britney Spears?

[Enrique523]

Who do you think has the bigger career overall? Discuss.

[ariananext]

Taylor has a bigger career out of any female artist right now (I think Beyoncé is the only other one up there), thanks to her consistency in all fields: success, critical acclaim, awards etc.

 

Britney has had more impact on pop culture and more iconic moments though. 

[Icarus]

Taylor has the bigger career

 

Britney has had more tabloid moments though, and she held a snake at the VMAs

[Josh]

Just now, Icarus said:

Taylor has the bigger career

 

Britney has had more tabloid moments though, and she held a snake at the VMAs

Like Taylor's entire career isn't based on who she dates shes more of a tabloid fodder than Britney 

[Solaria]

Taylor in numbers but Britney's influence can't be understated, she's still being referenced by artists today and had COUNTLESS of iconic pop culture moments, arguably more so than Taylor.

 

But this is ATRL where impact is forbidden to discuss because we don't have the data and numbers for the STEM nerds and data analysists to back it up.

Edited April 16, 2023 by Love Again

[Jude]

Britney's short-lived career is not even 50% of Taylor's enormous career.  The set up.

[Jynx]

Taylor Swift. 

[Icarus]

Just now, Josh said:

Taylor's more of a tabloid fodder than Britney 

I know but damn, I wanted to at least give Britney something.

[FailSafe]

1 minute ago, Love Again said:

Taylor in numbers but Britney's influence can't be understated, she's still being referenced by artists today and had COUNTLESS of iconic pop culture moments, arguably more so than Taylor.

 

But this is ATRL where impact is forbidden to discuss because we don't have the data and numbers for the STEM nerds and data analysists to back it up.

This is inarguable tbh. Though Tay has the bigger career.

[Blackout2006]

Slow day, huh?

[Josh]

Just now, Blackout2006 said:

Slow day, huh?

I'd rather see Britney any day over Taylor 

[Blackout2006]

4 minutes ago, Love Again said:

Taylor in numbers but Britney's influence can't be understated, she's still being referenced by artists today and had COUNTLESS of iconic pop culture moments, arguably more so than Taylor.

 

But this is ATRL where impact is forbidden to discuss because we don't have the data and numbers for the STEM nerds and data analysists to back it up.

 In this site, it is only ever about numbers and statistics. Donna Summer does not have some of the most impressive stats but it's inarguably 'I Feel Love' is in the top 3 most influential pop songs of all time. Numbers =/= Impact. 

Edited April 16, 2023 by Blackout2006

[Blackout2006]

1 minute ago, Josh said:

I'd rather see Britney any day over Taylor 

I, too. There's just no point in making these threads that we have seen 3,000 times, just for the Swifties to swarm in and spin their own narrative. It's best to just let it be 

[Solaria]

Just now, Blackout2006 said:

 In this site, it is only ever about numbers and statistics. Donna Summer does not have some of the most impressive stats but it's inarguably 'I Feel Love' is in the top 3 most influential pop songs of all time. Numbers =/= Impact. 

Wasn’t always the case though, i’ve been browsing ATRL Classic and there were much more fun threads where it wasn’t all about the numbers. The Swifties that joined this site after 2019 have infested it with data analysis threads. The most boring kind of threads

[ProudLBS]

Taylor.

 

From a numbers perspective, she’ll likely become the biggest female ever in the next 5 years.

[Josh]

Just now, Blackout2006 said:

I, too. There's just no point in making these threads that we have seen 3,000 times, just for the Swifties to swarm in and spin their own narrative. It's best to just let it be 

and a Swiftie having the audacity to say that Britneys career is more tabloid fodder when Taylors entire career is about every twink she dates and breaks up with or dumped by

[thetea]

11 minutes ago, Love Again said:

Taylor in numbers but Britney's influence can't be understated, she's still being referenced by artists today and had COUNTLESS of iconic pop culture moments, arguably more so than Taylor.

 

this.

5 minutes ago, Love Again said:

Wasn’t always the case though, i’ve been browsing ATRL Classic and there were much more fun threads where it wasn’t all about the numbers. The Swifties that joined this site after 2019 have infested it with data analysis threads. The most boring kind of threads

it's true. i've been browsing this site for a long time, you could have discussions before about cultural impact. but now if you try to discuss things like that, people, especially swifties, just bring up the sales to invalidate any point you make.

[wastedpotential]

I love users screaming about Britney's impact as if 95% of the things she "brought to the table" were shamelessly taken from Madonna or Janet (which is very ironic given what names are in a particular user's sig). Britney is definitely A+ tabloid fodder, but it's not as if Taylor is far behind there, and she has surpassed Britney in literally every single other metric imaginable as well, so there really is no contest. 

[Axelios]

Taylor has the bigger career but Britney had an iconic photo with Paris Hilton and Lindsay Lohan

[Josh]

Just now, wastedpotential said:

I love users screaming about Britney's impact as if 95% of the things she "brought to the table" were shamelessly taken from Madonna or Janet (which is very ironic given what names are in a particular user's sig). Britney is definitely A+ tabloid fodder, but it's not as if Taylor is far behind there, and she has surpassed Britney in literally every single other metric imaginable as well, so there really is no contest. 

Again and Taylor isn't? There's a 40 + page about why she was dumped by that twink ex boyfriend of hers

[Blackout2006]

4 minutes ago, Love Again said:

Wasn’t always the case though, i’ve been browsing ATRL Classic and there were much more fun threads where it wasn’t all about the numbers. The Swifties that joined this site after 2019 have infested it with data analysis threads. The most boring kind of threads

Yes, there is literally no point in arguing with them since they always deviate; and just see numbers as the beginning and end of an artist's career. There is no denying that numbers do have value as they show the public's (or fanbases' arguably) intrinsic interest in an artist but that is what it has just become over here, unfortunately. 

4 minutes ago, Josh said:

and a Swiftie having the audacity to say that Britneys career is more tabloid fodder 

Tabloid fodder is expected with any popstar that is often publicized and scrutinized like Taylor and Britney. Seeing them dismiss Britney's influential career as just "tabloid fodder" is truly a misogynistic narrative and I don't know why we are entertaining it, but what can be done? This is ATRL 

[wastedpotential]

1 minute ago, Josh said:

Again and Taylor isn't? There's a 40 + page about why she was dumped by that twink ex boyfriend of hers

nnn sis, if you had bothered to read the next 10 words I wrote 

 

3 minutes ago, wastedpotential said:

but it's not as if Taylor is far behind there

 

As that other user said, I was just trying to throw Britney something. Plus, Taylor is known for so much more than just being a celebrity figure, when that's all Britney has really had going for her public image since 2003/2004. 

[Solaria]

Just now, wastedpotential said:

I love users screaming about Britney's impact as if 95% of the things she "brought to the table" were shamelessly taken from Madonna or Janet (which is very ironic given what names are in a particular user's sig). Britney is definitely A+ tabloid fodder, but it's not as if Taylor is far behind there, and she has surpassed Britney in literally every single other metric imaginable as well, so there really is no contest. 

Madonna and Janet weren’t responsible for bringing teen pop back to the charts and making it an extremely profitable business model. Labels were literally scraping for blonde pop girls after Britney debuted, there came a TON after her.

 

They also didn’t release Blackout which was influential in pushing electropop and dance music to the mainstream along with Kanye’s ‘Stronger’

 

Madonna and Janet weren’t in conservatorships that led the State of California to reexamine the legal and ethical process of conservatorships.

 

Madonna and Janet aren’t referenced in hyperpop stylistically through artists like Charli XCX, Slayyyter and Kim Petras in the way that Britney is.

 

So yes, while Britney has certainly been influenced a lot by Madonna and Janet, she still has her own points of impact on pop culture and pop music that had nothing to do with them.

[Margaux]

you know damn well the answer to this

[Josh]

2 minutes ago, wastedpotential said:

nnn sis, if you had bothered to read the next 10 words I wrote 

 

 

As that other user said, I was just trying to throw Britney something. Plus, Taylor is known for so much more than just being a celebrity figure, when that's all Britney has really had going for her public image since 2003/2004. 

All people talk about Taylor are her relationships