Helios Posted April 12, 2023 Posted April 12, 2023 So many pro Russian members on ATRL. Did we expect anything less? This site is a MESS when it comes to politics.
AMIT Posted April 12, 2023 Posted April 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Bears01 said: They’re so stable that they jail anybody who dares to dissent against the regime, then unleashes a plague on the entire world! Stable countries with concentration camps, I’ve heard it all Are you really using this point to defend the country with the biggest number of prisoners in the world ( million)? The one that established an ILLEGAL military prison that ignored any and all national and international laws for the detainees that is still open after 20 years? Or the one with an ongoing migrant crisis?
Jaguarqueef Posted April 12, 2023 Posted April 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Bears01 said: They’re so stable that they jail anybody who dares to dissent against the regime, then unleashes a plague on the entire world! Stable countries with concentration camps, I’ve heard it all Assuming you’re speaking on the Uyghurs of China who are objectively better off in every statistic than the majority of Native nations of the USA. Not saying the CCP’s treatment of the Uyghurs of China is perfect, but there are 10-11 million speakers or the Uyghur language in China, and within Xinjiang, there is TV, newspapers, government services, and bilingual education. There is around 10 million Native Americans across the ENTIRE USA, and only around 500,000 can speak their Native language. We can go into Reservation poverty, forced evictions, etc all day but let’s keep it concise. The only US state that’s treated it’s Natives somewhat fairly would maybe be Alaska, and that’s bc of its remote location and relative late colonization. As for the China Virus Schlick, pandemics are bound to happen in a globalized society, the “Spanish” flu originated in Kansas, you can’t really blame any one government.
Bears01 Posted April 12, 2023 Posted April 12, 2023 21 minutes ago, AMIT said: Are you really using this point to defend the country with the biggest number of prisoners in the world ( million)? The one that established an ILLEGAL military prison that ignored any and all national and international laws for the detainees that is still open after 20 years? Or the one with an ongoing migrant crisis? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/extra/85qihtvw6e/the-faces-from-chinas-uyghur-detention-camps “We ❤️ Slave camps because USA is BAD BAD BAD BAD”
AMIT Posted April 12, 2023 Posted April 12, 2023 2 hours ago, ontherocks said: You have no idea who you are talking to, just to get that out of the way. And we are talking here about an actual and current issue that is an invasion of a country that according to Russsia has no right exist. Let that sink in. NO RIGHT TO EXIST. Just say you approve genocide and Russia moving on with invasions of other countries and leave it at that. Because they won't stop in Ukraine. you can't be serious right now I won't say that because I don't, no matter how much you want it to be true for some reason. I never and won't ever condone Russia's illegal invasion of Ukraine, but are you aware of the recent leaked US espionage documents that show that the US keeps pushing for war instead of peace talks and an eventual cease fire?
Bears01 Posted April 12, 2023 Posted April 12, 2023 16 minutes ago, Jaguarqueef said: Assuming you’re speaking on the Uyghurs of China who are objectively better off in every statistic than the majority of Native nations of the USA. Not saying the CCP’s treatment of the Uyghurs of China is perfect, but there are 10-11 million speakers or the Uyghur language in China, and within Xinjiang, there is TV, newspapers, government services, and bilingual education. There is around 10 million Native Americans across the ENTIRE USA, and only around 500,000 can speak their Native language. We can go into Reservation poverty, forced evictions, etc all day but let’s keep it concise. The only US state that’s treated it’s Natives somewhat fairly would maybe be Alaska, and that’s bc of its remote location and relative late colonization. As for the China Virus Schlick, pandemics are bound to happen in a globalized society, the “Spanish” flu originated in Kansas, you can’t really blame any one government. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/extra/85qihtvw6e/the-faces-from-chinas-uyghur-detention-camps A new low for ATRL. “those in slave camps are treated great”!
ZIVERT Posted April 12, 2023 Posted April 12, 2023 Just now, Bears01 said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/extra/85qihtvw6e/the-faces-from-chinas-uyghur-detention-camps “We ❤️ Slave camps because USA is BAD BAD BAD BAD” They’ll do anything to whitewash the CCP’s imperialism and cultural genocide. The Uyghurs aren’t even the only example, what about the annexation of Tibet? “Well ackshally there are Tibetan language TV channels so it’s OK”
AMIT Posted April 12, 2023 Posted April 12, 2023 4 minutes ago, Bears01 said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/extra/85qihtvw6e/the-faces-from-chinas-uyghur-detention-camps “We ❤️ Slave camps because USA is BAD BAD BAD BAD” so they are both bad is that what you are saying?
Blue Jeans Posted April 12, 2023 Posted April 12, 2023 2 hours ago, ontherocks said: On Russia's national television it's openly talked about how Poland needs to be conquered and with no holding back. In a poll in Russia, 97% of all who participated answered that Russia should invade Poland next. But hey, some on here got really brave defending Russia and his allies. Russia is amazing and America is evil. This. Poland definitely understands how much they don’t want to be influenced by force and/or occupied by the eastern neighbor with a demented rogue leader. NATO should stop the war ASAP and needs to stay together as one piece, not divided. Putin’s defeat ASAP is the best outcome for all of Europe including Russian people who have suffered a lot from ruthless leaders and wars throughout centuries…
Bears01 Posted April 12, 2023 Posted April 12, 2023 5 minutes ago, AMIT said: so they are both bad is that what you are saying? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests_and_massacre https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/08/03/giving-historys-greatest-mass-murderer-his-due/ https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-02-06/coronavirus-china-xi-li-wenliang Both are not great, but if you wanna Stan slavery, genocide, and authoritarianism, well, the south probably has places that will welcome you
ontherocks Posted April 12, 2023 Posted April 12, 2023 20 minutes ago, AMIT said: you can't be serious right now I won't say that because I don't, no matter how much you want it to be true for some reason. I never and won't ever condone Russia's illegal invasion of Ukraine, but are you aware of the recent leaked US espionage documents that show that the US keeps pushing for war instead of peace talks and an eventual cease fire? There is no way to get peace with Russia until they are defeated. You don't understand that mentality. Russia is not interested in getting out of Ukraine. They want the land. And they don't care about casualties. The only language Russia understands is humiliation and defeat.
ontherocks Posted April 12, 2023 Posted April 12, 2023 14 minutes ago, Blue Jeans said: This. Poland definitely understands how much they don’t want to be influenced by force and/or occupied by the eastern neighbor with a demented rogue leader. NATO should stop the war ASAP and needs to stay together as one piece, not divided. Putin’s defeat ASAP is the best outcome for all of Europe including Russian people who have suffered a lot from ruthless leaders and wars throughout centuries… The bigger question is what's coming next in Russia. I am not that optimistic
AMIT Posted April 12, 2023 Posted April 12, 2023 14 minutes ago, Bears01 said: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests_and_massacre https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/08/03/giving-historys-greatest-mass-murderer-his-due/ https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-02-06/coronavirus-china-xi-li-wenliang Both are not great, but if you wanna Stan slavery, genocide, and authoritarianism, well, the south probably has places that will welcome you never did such a thing, unlike you and your stanning of the US
Bears01 Posted April 12, 2023 Posted April 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, AMIT said: never did such a thing, unlike you and your stanning of the US I don’t “Stan the U.S.” I just don’t make excuses for authoritarian nations who throw their citizens in slave camps. Saying “the CCP is a horrid nightmare of a regime, and it makes sense why a country like Poland wants to keep their distance from them” doesn’t=“stanning the U.S.”
AMIT Posted April 12, 2023 Posted April 12, 2023 25 minutes ago, Bears01 said: I don’t “Stan the U.S.” I just don’t make excuses for authoritarian nations who throw their citizens in slave camps. Saying “the CCP is a horrid nightmare of a regime, and it makes sense why a country like Poland wants to keep their distance from them” doesn’t=“stanning the U.S.” the same can be said about the US and they are even worse so
Communion Posted April 12, 2023 Posted April 12, 2023 Europeans always posting their anti-socialism propaganda to justify their far-right views. China and Russia are not interchangeable. Only the US pushes that position and it's embarrassing to see neoliberals cower to defend America's insanity by falling in line like proud soldiers. "Of course I'll take America's side on China - they'll let Russia bomb us if we do anything they don't agree with!"?? Eastern Europe is forced to take out debts they often will never be able to pay back while then accusing China of debt trapping by offering this same kind of alliance to nations throughout the Global South. By all means, I understand siding with America's insanity because the threat of Russia is very real to a mid-tier country like Poland, but don't pretend America's insanity isn't insanity. You don't actually have to economically alienate a country that poses no military threats to you because the world's largest military superpower says it's "you're either with us or against us" because Chinese poverty levels falling upsets them.
Communion Posted April 12, 2023 Posted April 12, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bears01 said: I just don’t make excuses for authoritarian nations who throw their citizens in slave camps. You just described what your average Eastern European nation does to refugees. Western exceptionalism is thinking your way of life is inherently morally superior and you're the good guys in the Marvelfication of politics while defending skinhead governments where white nationalism is the lingua franca and the single-digit number of non-white, non-Christian refugees who make it into the borders are met with citizens throwing stones at them and police letting dogs loose on them. There is no argument where the backswamps of Europe are more accepting of Islam than China. You've invented a Europe in your head that does not exist. Mass surveillance and forced cultural assimilation of religious minorities isn't morally conditional depending on the continent they take place on. To think so is a racist delusion where Europe is the moral center of the world and everyone else is original sin that must be cleansed through Westernization. Every thread that discusses the world outside of the West devolves into some parody-like rant about the West being an oasis and the outside being a dangerous forest. If China is oppressive to religious and ethnic minorities, trust, Poland of all places will then get along with them just perfectly fine. No one is going to buy accusations of China having nazi levels of nationalist evil when made by nations whose own anti-communism has made them as a people embrace every anti-communist force in the world, including literal Nazi apologia. Edited April 12, 2023 by Communion
MAKSIM Posted April 12, 2023 Posted April 12, 2023 3 hours ago, AMIT said: I am sure you are on top of everything going on with your ''cOmUnISm bAd!!1! " rethoric. Even if some of Russia's and China's actions are reprehensible (I am not denying they are), they still don't come close to the harm and terror the US has brought upon multiple nations and countries during its history, there's just no comparison really. You can choose to remain in your western bubble and keep drinking that American approved propaganda kool-aid if you so wish, just don't try to pretend you are doing so in good faith when you clearly don't want to make the effort to learn all the facts. I don’t know if you know the full extent of what Russia and the Soviet Union has done
Bears01 Posted April 12, 2023 Posted April 12, 2023 11 minutes ago, Communion said: Western exceptionalism is your way of life is inherently morally superior I agree!
Communion Posted April 12, 2023 Posted April 12, 2023 1 minute ago, Bears01 said: I agree! "It's right if it's white!"
Bears01 Posted April 12, 2023 Posted April 12, 2023 1 minute ago, Communion said: "It's right if it's white, including Russia!" You’re the one in here shilling for China AND Russia, a majority white nation, sis
Communion Posted April 12, 2023 Posted April 12, 2023 Just now, Bears01 said: Russia, a majority white nation, sis What do you call it when Russia, America and Poland are all far-right white supremacist states?
Bears01 Posted April 12, 2023 Posted April 12, 2023 Just now, Communion said: What do you call it when China, Russia. America and Poland are all far-right authoritarian states? Wow, we agree with something
AMIT Posted April 12, 2023 Posted April 12, 2023 23 minutes ago, MAKSIM said: I don’t know if you know the full extent of what Russia and the Soviet Union has done do you have anything of note to contribute to the discussion other than putting my knowledge of the history of the USSR/Russia on trial?
AMIT Posted April 12, 2023 Posted April 12, 2023 8 minutes ago, Bears01 said: Wow, we agree with something So again, according to you, the US, China and Russia are in the same boat? But you just said a few posts above that being from the west makes you morally superior to everyone else? Which one is it sis, because it for sure can't be both at the same time.
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