news Biden Administration allows schools to ban trans kids from sports

[Communion]

4 minutes ago, XtunaStan said:

An easy one, very common and unnecessary slogan "trans women are women". 

It would be unnecessary if people simply stopped saying factually untrue things like "trans women are not women".

[Kassi]

1 hour ago, Helios said:

Its the opposite. On here they dont allow you to defend him without calling you an idiot or saying that you have nothing to contribute. Then the mods give you a warning point or ban you for trolling when all you did was applaud something his administration did. Its almost like everyone doesn't live inside ATRLs Biden hating bubble. Anyway, keep the Anti Biden threads coming.  

They’re wrong like 80% of the time (remember these are the people who hype Bernie and hate Pelosi… when only one of them has ever delivered points on a scoreboard). Best thing is to ignore them and instead write to educate the potential readers who have no clue what to believe one way or another. 
 

Like for this topic, Biden basically outlaws blanket bans on trans athletes with a narrow, convoluted avenue for schools to appeal. Which is unlikely to work in the schools favor, and provides political cover over the “men playing in women’s sports” propaganda. He wove a pretty delicate thread quite strategically. 

[Communion]

8 minutes ago, Nano said:

Gen Z is not the woke monolith you seem to think they are.

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New research by Just Like Us has found that lesbians are the most likely of the whole LGBTQ+ community to be supportive of trans people. Lesbians are the most likely to say they know a trans person (92%), and also the most likely to say they are “supportive” or “very supportive” of trans people (96%). That’s compared to 89% of LGBTQ+ people overall, and 69% of non-LGBTQ+ people.

 

The research was independently conducted and surveyed more than 3,600 adults aged 18-25. 

Sis, pack it up. 

[Communion]

41 minutes ago, Kassi said:

They’re wrong like 80% of the time (remember these are the people who hype Bernie and hate Pelosi… when only one of them has ever delivered points on a scoreboard). Best thing is to ignore them and instead write to educate the potential readers who have no clue what to believe one way or another. 
 

Like for this topic, Biden basically outlaws blanket bans on trans athletes with a narrow, convoluted avenue for schools to appeal. Which is unlikely to work in the schools favor, and provides political cover over the “men playing in women’s sports” propaganda. He wove a pretty delicate thread quite strategically. 

Walmart Mike's alt account found!

 

The kind of technocratic nonsense required to think "let's not affirm that Title IX includes gender identity outright to avoid a legal challenge but compromise in rules of a branch of government *we solely control* by arguing there is a legal pathway where banning individual trans people has merit within Title IX" is a good idea is what you get when people are focused more on electoral outcomes than ensuring a decent quality of life.

 

It can only be a political "win" if you're a politician who cares more of optics than the myriad of trans teens who'll be forced into court battles with little help from a DoE that often goes against Biden's own claims (see: them suing disabled people with student debt).

 

"Let's force red school districts to flood the courts to make them WORK for it" is a good idea for everyone but the actual people involved. A 9th grade trans girl shouldn't have to wait through 5 years of appeals through right wing courts and arguments about her hormone levels to play amateur softball to the point of not getting to play anyway.

 

But you see, it doesn't require federal Dems to *checks notes* do their job of legislating or utilizing executive powers, which could play poorly in 2024, so a win's a win.

Edited April 7, 2023 by Communion

[loveisdead9582]

Genuine question here (not trans and haven’t been in any sort of school for a while), if individuals are not able to go through hormonal/medication for the transition would this not fall under the umbrella of an individual who hasn’t been taking the hormonal changes which would place the individual in normal hormonal levels for that sex? Generally individuals under 18 cannot fully transition or get all of the hormonal meds so they would still technically still have lol the hormone and whatnot of their birth sex?

 

Also, I apologize if I worded or phrased anything incorrectly. No offense intended. Just want to have a better understanding.
 

I know that trans males/females who’ve been going through hormone therapy do generally display the same levels as someone assigned at birth but if you are not able to go through that change in high school or earlier would the individual not have the same levels as someone assigned at birth? 
 

Again, looking for clarification. I hate that there is any sort of discrimination at all and that individuals have to justify their identity to bigots or whatnot. Having all the facts helps in educating others. 

[Nano]

10 minutes ago, Communion said:

Sis, pack it up. 

 

Seems legit.

 

As the article says, even their "research" shows support for trans people is only at 69% for Gen Z. And this is in the UK, not the US.

[Communion]

4 minutes ago, Nano said:

"only" at 69%

 

Not the pinkwasher being anti-LGBT. 

[Mr. Mendes]

45 minutes ago, Nano said:

Gen Z is not the woke monolith you seem to think they are.

And yet they continue to be the furthest left generation that the world has ever seen and have continuously been vocally supportive of far left policy and have used their first opportunities to vote to further a leftist agenda. They are further left than Millennials were, and we will continue to see that increase as more of the generation achieves voting age. 

 

Gen Z is the one currently leading the pack when it comes to mobilization of and advocation for liberal policy. 

[Bloo]

6 hours ago, Helios said:

This is one of the only sites where people are allowed to bash Biden

... My brother in Christ, what are you talking about?

 

The billionaire owner of Twitter, an immeasurably larger platform than ATRL, openly bashes Biden and anything thought of as being remotely "left" or pro-Democrat...

[Bloo]

42 minutes ago, loveisdead9582 said:

Genuine question here (not trans and haven’t been in any sort of school for a while), if individuals are not able to go through hormonal/medication for the transition would this not fall under the umbrella of an individual who hasn’t been taking the hormonal changes which would place the individual in normal hormonal levels for that sex? Generally individuals under 18 cannot fully transition or get all of the hormonal meds so they would still technically still have lol the hormone and whatnot of their birth sex?

 

Also, I apologize if I worded or phrased anything incorrectly. No offense intended. Just want to have a better understanding.
 

I know that trans males/females who’ve been going through hormone therapy do generally display the same levels as someone assigned at birth but if you are not able to go through that change in high school or earlier would the individual not have the same levels as someone assigned at birth? 
 

Again, looking for clarification. I hate that there is any sort of discrimination at all and that individuals have to justify their identity to bigots or whatnot. Having all the facts helps in educating others. 

The problem with legislation like this is that it is far too targeted. The fact is that there are very few youth that are (1) under the age of 18 that, (2) are wanting to compete in sports at all, (3) are openly trans, and (4) want to openly participate in competitive school sports with the gender that aligns with their identity. States that have considered these laws (e.g., my home state of Kentucky is one of them) have found only 1-2 students in the entire state even remotely fit this very niche category.

 

Discriminatory laws based on identity are one thing. It's a whole other thing when you're basically crafting a law to target a single person, a single child no less, in a state is absolutely insane. The reality is that this is such a niche population that focusing much on it at all is frankly just not legitimate. This is just a transphobic push in the culture war led by people that don't talk to trans people or seriously grapple with these issues.

[wesleywalrus]

Isn't this fair? It shouldn't really be an blanket ban, but are they really going to test every transgender person's hormones to see if they should be able to compete? 

 

 

 

[Mr. Mendes]

6 minutes ago, wesleywalrus said:

Isn't this fair? It shouldn't really be an blanket ban, but are they really going to test every transgender person's hormones to see if they should be able to compete? 

 

 

 

No, it isn't fair because what this is allowing is for the targeting of specific individuals. 

 

It is rare that you find a minor who is openly trans and wishing to participate in sports. So rare in fact that in most of the states pursuing blanket bans, there are less than 10 students (in some cases even just 1 singular child) who these bills are being crafted in response to. This position from the Biden admin is allowing a case-by-case ban which means that state legislatures can now look directly at those children specifically and make legal decisions that are aimed directly and openly at them. That is in no way fair. 

Edited April 7, 2023 by Mr. Mendes

[Navy4Life]

Bidet can rot (and hopefully will soon enough).
 

Imagine being a child and someone excluded you from something just because of who you are. 

[Bloo]

34 minutes ago, wesleywalrus said:

Isn't this fair? It shouldn't really be an blanket ban, but are they really going to test every transgender person's hormones to see if they should be able to compete? 

 

 

 

Do you think children should have their genitals inspected by school officials to be able to play sports? The attacks on the transgender community is a blanket witch hunt that will harm the trans community and put them at risk of suicide, while at the same time harming cisgender students as well. If hormone tests are now necessary to compete in sports, will cisgender girls with more amounts of naturally-occuring testosterone be barred from competing? This happend in the Olympics due to the legislation put in place to bar trans people from competing. No one benefits from this.

 

Additionally, at the K-12 level, the number of people who are openly trans are so far and few between it’s nonsensial to even obsess about this. This is completely unnecessary.

[Blankspace2010]

Democrats are weak. Hoping Biden gets hammered by the Republicans in the 2024. At least republicans are honest and transparent about their discrimination. 

[wesleywalrus]

5 minutes ago, Bloo said:

Do you think children should have their genitals inspected by school officials to be able to play sports? The attacks on the transgender community is a blanket witch hunt that will harm the trans community and put them at risk of suicide, while at the same time harming cisgender students as well. If hormone tests are now necessary to compete in sports, will cisgender girls with more amounts of naturally-occuring testosterone be barred from competing? This happend in the Olympics due to the legislation put in place to bar trans people from competing. No one benefits from this.

 

Additionally, at the K-12 level, the number of people who are openly trans are so far and few between it’s nonsensial to even obsess about this. This is completely unnecessary.

I agree with you, it's blatant. 

I guess I'm just inquiring about when it actually does happen, what's the correct response? 

[Icarus]

1 hour ago, Blankspace2010 said:

Hoping Biden gets hammered by the Republicans in the 2024. At least republicans are honest and transparent about their discrimination. 

You wished for that to happen in 2020 and 2022 also   third times a charm

[Bussea]

[ClashAndBurn]

2 hours ago, Blankspace2010 said:

Democrats are weak. Hoping Biden gets hammered by the Republicans in the 2024. At least republicans are honest and transparent about their discrimination. 

To be honest? Both sides seem to be trying their absolute hardest to lose, because being the party out of power is easiest to fundraise off of. Governing is too much of a headache, so neither of them really want to do it. And they always have rotating villains to ensure nothing happens.

 

I think no matter what they do, it’ll end up being a wash anyway. The Democrats have determined that if they do win, they don’t want to do so with us; and if they lose, they can not only not be expected to meet our demands but they can blame their loss on us, even if we voted for them.

 

Ultimately that means they can do stuff like this and get away with it.

Edited April 7, 2023 by ClashAndBurn

[Green]

Disgusting. It's 2023

 

Trump's America... Oh wait

[Frozen99]

7 hours ago, khalyan said:

Also, to be fair to @Helios I actually find viewpoints other than my own really interesting and I like opening my eyes to viewpoints I don't share, especially on issues that I'm not super strong on (such as Biden's impact on the dollar) which is why I was wanting you to elaborate the other day.  

 

I don't share every opinion as users like @ClashAndBurn or @Communion who tend to be more to the left of me, but I do find that they can explain their points rather well for me to at least understand where they are coming from and for those few issues I disagree with, I'll try to be as detailed about why I feel that way and they've never called me an idiot or insulted me, even when I wasn't a mod.

 

The issue with trans people in sports is something that can need some nuance, but there really isn't any documented extreme dominance by a trans athlete on record.  The closet that I'm aware of is Lia Thomas, but even her national title in the 500 free had a time more than 10 seconds slower than Katie Ledecky in the same race five years before that.   So in my opinion, it's disappointing to see Biden will allow states to make these restrictive laws especially when it's affecting like 8 kids nationwide and none of them are exhibiting extreme dominance that the right is afraid of.

 

i agree with you but

 

i recently read world athletics also banned athletes from some sports

here: https://edition.cnn.com/2023/03/23/sport/world-athletics-transgender-ruling-spt-intl/index.html

[Blankspace2010]

2 hours ago, Icarus said:

You wished for that to happen in 2020 and 2022 also   third times a charm

Are you joking? I was a huge democrat supporter in 2020. I was hoping for an Elizabeth Warren presidency. I then put in full support for Biden against Trump. I even defended his first months of doing nothing. Democrats are a huge disappointment. They are dishonest and gaslight their whole base. They want what the Republicans want - huge class division, unfair wealth distribution, conservative social policies but hide behind the Republicans and pretend they are powerless to stop them. They are ******* despicable. How any body could support that party is beyond me. 

 

Republicans are evil but they admit it. They bold face tell you that you’re a second class citizen and they are going to do everything to keep you that way. Better the evil you know than whatever shady schemes the democrats do behind closed doors. 

[Reginald]

Biden proving yet again to be a weak, right-leaning COWARD instead of an effective leader. If this administration is going to start chipping away at the liberties and freedoms of its own constituents, I'm going back to third party for 2024. Hopefully this idiot gets primaried and won't be the candidate. 

Edited April 7, 2023 by Reginald

[Eternium]

5 hours ago, Bloo said:

The problem with legislation like this is that it is far too targeted. The fact is that there are very few youth that are (1) under the age of 18 that, (2) are wanting to compete in sports at all, (3) are openly trans, and (4) want to openly participate in competitive school sports with the gender that aligns with their identity. States that have considered these laws (e.g., my home state of Kentucky is one of them) have found only 1-2 students in the entire state even remotely fit this very niche category.

 

Discriminatory laws based on identity are one thing. It's a whole other thing when you're basically crafting a law to target a single person, a single child no less, in a state is absolutely insane. The reality is that this is such a niche population that focusing much on it at all is frankly just not legitimate. This is just a transphobic push in the culture war led by people that don't talk to trans people or seriously grapple with these issues.

Say it loud  And what we need to remember is that this ban has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with sports - it’s about erasure and drumming up support to get rid of trans care in medicine by manipulating people to “think of the children.” This was just a preliminary step to start that war. The Attorney General of my state is currently trying to go after our largest employer in our state because they had a trans care clinic. Not only is he willing to cost our state millions of dollars and potentially damage the employer responsible for so many of our citizens being in work, but it’s clear that this is the first step to defund federal support (Medicare, Medicaid, HSI and state-funded insurance plans like Cigna) for trans medicine at all.

10 minutes ago, Blankspace2010 said:

Are you joking? I was a huge democrat supporter in 2020. I was hoping for an Elizabeth Warren presidency. I then put in full support for Biden against Trump. I even defended his first months of doing nothing. Democrats are a huge disappointment. They are dishonest and gaslight their whole base. They want what the Republicans want - huge class division, unfair wealth distribution, conservative social policies but hide behind the Republicans and pretend they are powerless to stop them. They are ******* despicable. How any body could support that party is beyond me. 

 

Republicans are evil but they admit it. They bold face tell you that you’re a second class citizen and they are going to do everything to keep you that way. Better the evil you know than whatever shady schemes the democrats do behind closed doors. 

Sis, what do you know of the Republican Party? They are supposed to value individual rights by removing large government, give power to the states over the federal government and be the largest political ally to the Jewish diaspora. They literally do nothing that their party advertises. Constantly going after personal liberties like the ability for an individual to transition is a direct contradiction of their protection of individual rights to freedom. The Republican Party has replaced Germany as the global face of anti-Semitism, which is even more shocking when you think about the massive Zionist push they had in the early 2000s. They’re even trying to mandate federal pushes for anti-trans, anti-LGBT and anti-abortion instead of allowing the states to decide. That is all a massive violation of the Republican Party.

 

Honestly, I think what you need to look in to is studying lobbyists. You’ll understand why certain bipartisan deals are made and why some of our leaders have to back down. Also, you need to remember that one of the biggest consequence of voting is that the party in power chooses federal judge replacements and those people stay in power for long periods of time. Just look at that ******* judge in Texas who hates black people so much that first he tried to repeal Obamacare (an appeal found his ruling to be unconstitutional) and then he tried to come for preventative healthcare saying insurance companies have a religious right to not provide preventative healthcare to homosexuals and people who are sexually active outside of marriage just because he wants to get rid of Obamacare even though Obama hasn’t been in office for years.

[Headlock]

7 hours ago, Communion said:

Walmart Mike's alt account found!

 

The kind of technocratic nonsense required to think "let's not affirm that Title IX includes gender identity outright to avoid a legal challenge but compromise in rules of a branch of government *we solely control* by arguing there is a legal pathway where banning individual trans people has merit within Title IX" is a good idea is what you get when people are focused more on electoral outcomes than ensuring a decent quality of life.

 

It can only be a political "win" if you're a politician who cares more of optics than the myriad of trans teens who'll be forced into court battles with little help from a DoE that often goes against Biden's own claims (see: them suing disabled people with student debt).

 

"Let's force red school districts to flood the courts to make them WORK for it" is a good idea for everyone but the actual people involved. A 9th grade trans girl shouldn't have to wait through 5 years of appeals through right wing courts and arguments about her hormone levels to play amateur softball to the point of not getting to play anyway.

 

But you see, it doesn't require federal Dems to *checks notes* do their job of legislating or utilizing executive powers, which could play poorly in 2024, so a win's a win.

Honestly this needs to be pinned the top, THIS is the issue with people trying to spin this legislation to be a positive thing. Whether or not you want to portray this as some 4D chess move from Biden does not speak to the literal children this will affect for most of their childhood. Like, let’s assume this does work as @Kassi says, and leaves Republicans caught in a web of lawsuits and court hearings (never mind the fact that Trump packed the courts but ok), what happens to the trans children and teens who are the SUBJECT of this? They get to be broadcast to the world as faces of this culture war and traumatized by years of legal battles. That is not a “win.”

Edited April 7, 2023 by Headlock