GraceRandolph Posted March 27, 2023 Posted March 27, 2023 I try to be tolerant of other views, but lately whenever veganism, or animal rights gets brought up online it seems like the anti-vegan and pro-animal exploitation side of the argument resorts to insults. A group of vegan protesters pouring milk in a grocery store got smeared relentlessly, and people in the comments across the internet went on and on about how they were destroying property and making the lives of the workers harder, and other activism should be done instead. I recently saw a thread about vegan activists with pamphlets and signs about harsh realities of the dairy industry on Reddit, and quickly fell down a disgusting “Anti-Vegan” subreddit which focused only on hating vegans for our compassion and lifestyle choice. The commenters went on about how they want to knee them in the face, insult them, and ironically even pour milk on them. Other vegan activists get personally harassed for our appearance whether it be slim or fat, or muscular. Why is there such hostility towards those who only want animals to live in peace?
Helios Posted March 27, 2023 Posted March 27, 2023 I feel like its their tactics. Many times they make fools of themselves or disrupt the lives of regular citizens. Like why lie in the middle of the road when people need to go to work?
GraceRandolph Posted March 27, 2023 Author Posted March 27, 2023 Just now, Helios said: I feel like its their tactics. Many times they make fools of themselves or disrupt the lives of regular citizens. Like why lie in the middle of the road when people need to go to work? I hear this, but what exactly are we supposed to do if not disrupt the manicured lives of those who live out of the purview of animal exploitation and ignore or downplay climate change? It seems as if as escalation in tactics is the only way to reach people, or send a message of urgency nowadays.
Helios Posted March 27, 2023 Posted March 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: I hear this, but what exactly are we supposed to do if not disrupt the manicured lives of those who live out of the purview of animal exploitation and ignore or downplay climate change? It seems as if as escalation in tactics is the only way to reach people, or send a message of urgency nowadays. I feel like advocacy and even peaceful protests could do ALOT more to educate people than just making them mad.
OnikaSlays Posted March 27, 2023 Posted March 27, 2023 (edited) People have too much pride and feel attacked by vegan talking points. Vegans can be a bit aggressive though, so it’s not unjustified. Edited March 27, 2023 by OnikaSlays
elevate Posted March 27, 2023 Posted March 27, 2023 (edited) I mean, the reality is that pouring milk in stores or throwing stuff in art galleries (the climate activists) IS annoying and nobody wants that. The only thing that stops me from saying that these people are paid off are the fact that most are young and dumb. That said, the hatred towards these activists generally comes from one's own insecurity, usually towards their own lack of kindness / goodness, etc. These people know they're rubbish and lash out at others because of it. This isn't exclusive to activism; we see this behaviour everywhere. I will say I've noticed that vegan foods are becoming more mainstream and people are happy to consume them and talk about them positively to friends (especially true for burgers). I've also noticed people are quick to lambast losers who say things like "cue the complaints from vegans, clown face emoji, laughing emoji, etc" because haters have become so loud and annoying in recent years and the gee pee are starting to get over the negativity, surprisingly. Edited March 27, 2023 by elevate
stoopidjenna Posted March 27, 2023 Posted March 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: I hear this, but what exactly are we supposed to do if not disrupt the manicured lives of those who live out of the purview of animal exploitation and ignore or downplay climate change? It seems as if as escalation in tactics is the only way to reach people, or send a message of urgency nowadays. This is the mentality that kind of irks me. I’m not fully vegan but I understand the benefits and try to follow a lot of vegan practices. But I find that my ability to do so is often as much a privilege as my ability to eat meat. Some vegans (such as the ones that pull antics like vandalizing places) don’t accept that for many people, veganism simply isn’t a reasonable option for their situation. If they want to institute real change, they need to make veganism more convenient and accessible by doing things like supporting and promoting vegan brands and products and getting more stores to do the same. With that said, there are people on the opposite end of the spectrum that will refuse things simply because they are vegan… those are just lost causes. But either way, pulling stunts like this for attention just isn’t productive anymore.
Into The Void Posted March 27, 2023 Posted March 27, 2023 43 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: I try to be tolerant of other views, but lately whenever veganism, or animal rights gets brought up online it seems like the anti-vegan and pro-animal exploitation side of the argument resorts to insults. A group of vegan protesters pouring milk in a grocery store got smeared relentlessly, and people in the comments across the internet went on and on about how they were destroying property and making the lives of the workers harder, and other activism should be done instead. I recently saw a thread about vegan activists with pamphlets and signs about harsh realities of the dairy industry on Reddit, and quickly fell down a disgusting “Anti-Vegan” subreddit which focused only on hating vegans for our compassion and lifestyle choice. The commenters went on about how they want to knee them in the face, insult them, and ironically even pour milk on them. Other vegan activists get personally harassed for our appearance whether it be slim or fat, or muscular. Why is there such hostility towards those who only want animals to live in peace? Are you kidding me? Its vegans who resort to insults against meat eaters especially on ATRL. They try to shove it down our throats that because we eat meat we are evil or something. Like I understand u feel strongly against consuming meat etc. But don't make me feel guilty. Its not exactly helping the agenda
ninasayers Posted March 27, 2023 Posted March 27, 2023 I think it mostly comes from a place of knowing that what they're doing is terrible and the only way they know how to deal with it is by lashing out. Therapy is recommended.
Revolution Posted March 27, 2023 Posted March 27, 2023 I don't wanna eat tofu or quinoa. My entire ethnic cuisine revolves around yogurt.
Into The Void Posted March 27, 2023 Posted March 27, 2023 6 minutes ago, ninasayers said: I think it mostly comes from a place of knowing that what they're doing is terrible and the only way they know how to deal with it is by lashing out. Therapy is recommended. We just want to enjoy food we consume sorry but the vegan burger option is nasty.
Monday Night Messiah Posted March 27, 2023 Posted March 27, 2023 Because they all act like Erin. Insufferable lot.
Archetype Posted March 27, 2023 Posted March 27, 2023 (edited) Vegan activists are just really annoying. They don't realize that no one is going to give up meat and dairy products unless we can completely erase the desire for said products. Yelling at people for killing cows isn't going to do anything. I would happily give up all meat and dairy if you can create a perfect vegan reproduction of all of my favorite Italian and French cheeses. Edited March 27, 2023 by Archetype
perfect blue Posted March 27, 2023 Posted March 27, 2023 Because policing what other people put into their bodies is annoying. There are more important issues to protest and complain about.
byzantium Posted March 27, 2023 Posted March 27, 2023 It seems like vegans resort to petty insults very quickly.
Fruity Posted March 27, 2023 Posted March 27, 2023 I think its partly because deep down people know vegans are morally right, but acknowledgement of that makes them super uncomfortable. Combined with the fact that people hate being told they shouldn't do things they enjoy - eating animal products is one of their "freedoms" as they see it. And hence, people kind of go the other way, responding aggressively in an attempt to demean vegans. Also by not even entertaining the argument and purely mocking it, that's kind one of the most effective ways of continuing the status quo. Rational arguments have to be thrown out the window to disregard the vegan.
GraceRandolph Posted March 27, 2023 Author Posted March 27, 2023 16 minutes ago, Archetype said: Vegan activists are just really annoying. They don't realize that no one is going to give up meat and dairy products unless we can completely erase the desire for said products. Yelling at people for killing cows isn't going to do anything. I would happily give up all meat and dairy if you can create a perfect vegan reproduction of all of my favorite Italian and French cheeses. Vegan recreations are plentiful nowadays. Life is ultimately about making sacrifices and contributing to the greater good regardless of personal cost. A French cheese is far from a necessity. Don’t you think a cow being able to live freely and not have humans shoving their extremities into their probates is more pressing than a certain flavor/texture of a certain cheese?
Power love Posted March 27, 2023 Posted March 27, 2023 In my experience they are vile ppl who attack others who don’t think like them. Once i seen this women throwing milk in the floor screaming clean this up mother beep! Very unclassy
Archetype Posted March 27, 2023 Posted March 27, 2023 5 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: Vegan recreations are plentiful nowadays Not for my favorite cheeses, but I do absolutely love vegan cuisine and mostly eat vegetarian/vegan options. Cheese is the only dairy product I consume but would gladly stop if/when there are near perfect vegan replacements. 8 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said: Don’t you think a cow being able to live freely and not have humans shoving their extremities into their probates is more pressing than a certain flavor/texture of a certain cheese Cows have been domesticated and bred as food for thousands and thousands of years. It's an unfortunate truth that allowed humanity to grow exponentially. We only recently developed technology to remove the need for cows. Lab grown meat, and vegan meat replacements, are legit and coming, but might not be readily available and priced fairly until we are much older. Once that happens, then the world will start having empathy for cows, chickens, etc.
Sazare Posted March 27, 2023 Posted March 27, 2023 53 minutes ago, Insanity said: Are you kidding me? Its vegans who resort to insults against meat eaters especially on ATRL. They try to shove it down our throats that because we eat meat we are evil or something. Like I understand u feel strongly against consuming meat etc. But don't make me feel guilty. Its not exactly helping the agenda Sounding like a straight person getting offended over being called a breeder or a straggot. Get over it.
ninasayers Posted March 27, 2023 Posted March 27, 2023 38 minutes ago, Insanity said: We just want to enjoy food we consume sorry but the vegan burger option is nasty. I'm pretty sure most meat-eaters haven't tried even 1% of the vegan options out there. And sometimes you have to make certain sacrifices (such as... not eating something you enjoy?) if it means animals won't have to suffer and die for your "treats". 35 minutes ago, ptolemaea said: Because policing what other people put into their bodies is annoying. There are more important issues to protest and complain about. You do know that people can protest multiple things at any given point, right? I don't see how the torture and killing of dozens of billions of animals every year isn't a pressing issue that needs to be "complained about". You can put whatever you want into your body, as long as it doesn't involve the murder and torture of animals.
Zoe_ Posted March 27, 2023 Posted March 27, 2023 Because there's so much hostility towards meat eaters.
Butters Posted March 27, 2023 Posted March 27, 2023 (edited) On one part - yes vegans can be confrontational and aggressive but I think a bigger part of it is people not being willing to accept that they've been culpable of animal pain and suffering by consuming animal products their entire lives. Their view of themself as a good human being that does the right thing is challenged by veganism and they lash out. I eat meat myself so I don't really have anything to say against the vegans. It's not like they're stopping me from eating my food. Usually they're just making you think about where it comes from Edited March 27, 2023 by Butters
playboi Posted March 27, 2023 Posted March 27, 2023 57 minutes ago, Monday Night Messiah said: Because they all act like Erin. Insufferable lot. this is your take from the video ? I see 6 ppl from a diverse background and only one of them acting like a rude "stereotypical" vegan which proves us that they are in fact not all like that basic logic
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