discussion Should Humans Be Able To Eat All Non-Human Animals?

[A.R.L]

No, we don’t need meat to survive. My beef/chicken look alike veggie burgers taste/smell so much better and are healthier. 

[Communion]

16 minutes ago, A.R.L said:

Do cows have affection like dogs? No.

Pigs are literally on average more intelligent than dogs?

 

 

[Delirious]

36 minutes ago, A.R.L said:

No, animals are not all the same. Now tell me how a chicken would do police jobs, or protect you from a thief, help you with sheep grazing and most importantly they will never be man’s best friend or the most popular pet in this world. So, sis don’t compare a dog to chicken or even a cat. 

Cats don't do what dogs can do. So can we eat them by your logic?

 

There's too many ifs and buts for your argument to work.

Edited March 25, 2023 by Delirious

[velocity]

We should not eat endangered species but otherwise I think everything else is okay.

 

Yes, eating dogs and cats is revolting to me but that's because that's how I was raised. There's nothing inherently wrong with eating any animal.

[GraceRandolph]

3 minutes ago, velocity said:

We should not eat endangered species but otherwise I think everything else is okay.

 

Yes, eating dogs and cats is revolting to me but that's because that's how I was raised. There's nothing inherently wrong with eating any animal.

Are you okay with eating certain humans?

[velocity]

6 minutes ago, GraceRandolph said:

Are you okay with eating certain humans?

Yeah because those two things are totally comparable

 

 

[liquiddiamonds]

828 millions of people are starving as of now. I can’t take discussions like these seriously, because most people can’t even realize that having what to eat is a privilege in its first place. If you live in a place (western world) where you can comfortably migrate from a meat-based diet to a vegan one as an environmentalist then do it. I do know that I need meat to meet my overall nutritional needs, because vegan products are very expensive where I live and no ******* way I’m gonna live a life eating a mix of rice and beans, which don’t meet my daily basic needs, while the rich are flying in private jets for whatever and western environmentalists are not discussing material differences among countries and populations in their solutions to save earth.
 

I already work a basic middle class 9 to 5, live in an in-development country in which food security is a huge issue and the corona crisis pushed a lot of us to a brink. Moreover, agrobusiness exports are a huge investment drawing and jobs generator, so we need to think where will these people go to if no one is eating animals or we will face crisis that will push us, underdeveloped countries, even further into a hunger abyss. So on top of all that I still need to have a basic vegan diet (which is what is affordable) to “save” a world that doesn’t give two shits about me and others that are on the periphery of it, whose main pillar is waste and uncontrolled overconsumption by western elites. **** this ****. You guys are literally exporting trash to us on ships to pretend your countries are greener. Its ridiculous. Exercise the compassion you have to your fellow animals on humans first, then maybe we can take this seriously. If your environmentalism doesn’t come with dismantling capitalism and thinking these asymmetric situations and consequences through you can keep your diet, because at the end of the day it’s just that. The only impact it truly has is your body and guilt. I used to be vegetarian for a couple of years and that along with my body struggling to meet its needs were a turning point. And yeah even nutritionists are a damn privilege lol This earth has no morals in how we’re treated but we’re supposed to show that to other species first. Cant make this **** up

 

We gonna need to limit and abolish at a certain point to survive as a planet but we need to stop pretending these elephants in the room dont exist and be serious about how deep these issues are

Edited March 25, 2023 by liquiddiamonds

[A.R.L]

3 hours ago, Communion said:

Pigs are literally on average more intelligent than dogs?

 

 

This is something I'm not sure about and even if it is true they are very different in the way they have been close around us and the way they have helped us throughout history which makes dogs having a closer relationship to humans than pigs.

[A.R.L]

2 hours ago, Delirious said:

Cats don't do what dogs can do. So can we eat them by your logic?

 

There's too many ifs and buts for your argument to work.

This is not exactly what I said, I’m totally against killing all animals, but that doesn’t change the fact that animals are not all the same in the way they behave and interact with us or even the way they work with us. Because some people here see animals all as one and that’s not true. 

[Communion]

52 minutes ago, A.R.L said:

This is something I'm not sure about and even if it is true they are very different in the way they have been close around us and the way they have helped us throughout history which makes dogs having a closer relationship to humans than pigs.

But my point is that the domesticated vs non-domesticated divide is not one due to intelligence, which is what you referenced when citing a dog's capability to be what we view as compassionate and respond to affectionate stimuli, or to serve utility. Pigs have been long-studied and shown to be one of the most intelligent animals on this planet, with higher intelligence than both cats and dogs, placing them close in intelligence to other non-human animals like elephants or dolphins and human toddlers. I'm not even a vegan but I understand that my choices make me a hypocrite.

Edited March 25, 2023 by Communion

[Pendulum]

Non-human animal is such a stupid term, I can never take seriously anybody who uses this phrasing  Like, it doesn't even have a clear-cut definition and it's just so absurd... cause all animals should have the same status as humans  

[Letemtalk]

This option makes no sense

• Most Non-Human Animals Should Be Able to Be Eaten With A Few Exceptions like Rare or Domesticated Animals

Farm animals are domesticated animals. People don't keep wild ox on their farms, they keep domesticated cattle.

 

If people are going to keep eating animals, and I'm sure many people will keep eating animals, then domesticated animals are the animals we should be eating, although cattle are some of the worse for the environment. Better to stick with chicken, pork or fish if you want to eat meat.

 

We shouldn't be eating any endangered animals and in most cases we should avoid eating wild indigenous animal species.

 

However, in many parts of the world there are invasive species (often imported by colonisers/settlers) that can be harmful to natural environments and native species. Sometimes the best solution is to let people hunt and eat those introduced species, rather than allow the natural environment to be destroyed.

 

[Horizon Flame]

10 hours ago, A.R.L said:

No, we don’t need meat to survive. My beef/chicken look alike veggie burgers taste/smell so much better and are healthier. 

Chemicals and meat made of peas ain’t healthier. 

[Horizon Flame]

8 hours ago, velocity said:

We should not eat endangered species but otherwise I think everything else is okay.

 

Yes, eating dogs and cats is revolting to me but that's because that's how I was raised. There's nothing inherently wrong with eating any animal.

There are certain animals you don’t consume due to disease. 

[Horizon Flame]

20 hours ago, Helios said:

I mean animals eat other animals. Is that ridiculous? Nature is ridiculous?

OP’s next thread: Should animals who eat animals serve jail time? 

[tellem]

20 hours ago, ninasayers said:

Yeah, I'm sure animals just love to get tortured and then killed for people to eat their corpses. It's not like they are sentient beings or anything.

They have emotions and don’t want to feel pain, which is not the same as not wanting to die. 

 

[ninasayers]

11 hours ago, A.R.L said:

No, animals are not all the same. Now tell me how a chicken would do police jobs, or protect you from a thief, help you with sheep grazing and most importantly they will never be man’s best friend or the most popular pet in this world. So, sis don’t compare a dog to chicken or even a cat. 

This idea that an animal's worth can only be quantified depending on how helpful they are to humans is not cute. 

[Nip Tuck]

13 hours ago, A.R.L said:

Do cows have affection like dogs? No. Do cows jump with happiness when they see you? Mooooooo. Do cows help humans with some of the most important things in life? The answer is also no.
 

Therefore, dogs should not be eaten, and for this reason, the number of dog meat consumed decreases massively every year in Asia, not to mention the barbaric, inhumane way those poor dogs and cats go through before they get killed, such as why the hell would an evil person skin a dog alive or boil a cat alive to eat their meat??!!
 

Stop defending ignorance and there is no way all meat eaters are the same even when I am almost a vegetarian now than ever and feel happier and healthier.

This is so subjective though because there are people who keep cows and other “livestock” animals as pets, just because for you that role has been filled by a dog doesn’t mean you should judge others. You are lucky to live in a country where you don’t even have to consider your options like that.

 

And do you think the treatment of traditionally farmed animals is any better? Being able to go to the grocery store and buy pre packed meat has cause some serious dissonance for people if they think their consumption of meat is somehow any better or more humane than others.

 

The only person being ignorant here is you.

[GraceRandolph]

3 hours ago, Wizard said:

yes, it's yummy for my tummy 

What an intellectual argument. 

[A.R.L]

15 hours ago, Communion said:

But my point is that the domesticated vs non-domesticated divide is not one due to intelligence, which is what you referenced when citing a dog's capability to be what we view as compassionate and respond to affectionate stimuli, or to serve utility. Pigs have been long-studied and shown to be one of the most intelligent animals on this planet, with higher intelligence than both cats and dogs, placing them close in intelligence to other non-human animals like elephants or dolphins and human toddlers. I'm not even a vegan but I understand that my choices make me a hypocrite.

It's not only about who is smarter than the other, it's also about the relationship we have towards animals, dolphins are very smart but actually it's hard to pet them because that's against their will and the way how they live, thus that makes them less companions for us in comparison to dogs for example, the same thing applies to pigs, it’s harder to have them as pets either unlike dogs who can adapt to our routines because they have spent so much time with us throughout history.

 

Now this doesn't eliminate who should and shouldn't be killed but it clearly gives us the idea that not all animals are the same as some people claim.

 

9 hours ago, Horizon Flame said:

Chemicals and meat made of peas ain’t healthier. 

I mostly eat the homemade stuff, and I rarely buy commercial ones just when I'm curious and super lazy, but there is no way that the latter option would be any less healthier than the meat and chemical products used to feed those animals and protect their meat afterward. Not to mention the cholesterol. 

 

8 hours ago, ninasayers said:

This idea that an animal's worth can only be quantified depending on how helpful they are to humans is not cute. 

Look, there are animals in this life that are literally less harmful and more useful to this life (not  necessarily directly to us) than some people who have no goals in life, so does that mean that it would be okay for these animals to use these people as food?
 

Keep in mind, in the aspect of nature, we are all the same, so if you ignore the importance of animals in this life whether for their cooperation with us in making this planet a better place for everyone, or for having no goals at all,  then you must also ignore this when it comes to some humans because at the end of the day you see all animals as one, how would people especially those who are literally less useful than some of the animals in this life be any different?

 

I’m against killing in general but you should stop thinking that it is okay to kill all animals just because none of them can defend themselves or since they aren’t protected by law (in most countries) like humans.

 

 

 

6 hours ago, Nip Tuck said:

This is so subjective though because there are people who keep cows and other “livestock” animals as pets, just because for you that role has been filled by a dog doesn’t mean you should judge others. You are lucky to live in a country where you don’t even have to consider your options like that.

 

And do you think the treatment of traditionally farmed animals is any better? Being able to go to the grocery store and buy pre packed meat has cause some serious dissonance for people if they think their consumption of meat is somehow any better or more humane than others.

 

The only person being ignorant here is you.

You can even keep a mosquito as a pet if you want and that's all fine for me but there is no way that a mosquito would be like every other kind of its own kingdom and all animals, you have to admit that not all animals are the same.  Period. It has been proven through our relationship and interactions with them. 

 

Now though Im against any kind of killing whatsoever, but if you think torturing animals before they die equals some quick less harmful killing methods, that alone speaks volumes about ur ignorance and ur disgusting ways of selfish thinking, and trust me, you don't need any validation from anyone to prove it.

Edited March 26, 2023 by A.R.L

[ninasayers]

2 hours ago, A.R.L said:

Look, there are animals in this life that are literally less harmful and more useful to this life (not  necessarily directly to us) than some people who have no goals in life, so does that mean that it would be okay for these animals to use these people as food?
 

Keep in mind, in the aspect of nature, we are all the same, so if you ignore the importance of animals in this life whether for their cooperation with us in making this planet a better place for everyone, or for having no goals at all,  then you must also ignore this when it comes to some humans because at the end of the day you see all animals as one, how would people especially those who are literally less useful than some of the animals in this life be any different?

 

I’m against killing in general but you should stop thinking that it is okay to kill all animals just because none of them can defend themselves or since they aren’t protected by law (in most countries) like humans.

I think you misunderstood my point. I'm against killing any animals at all. 

[Betty White]

No. Stop murdering animals already.

[Into The Void]

11 hours ago, Horizon Flame said:

OP’s next thread: Should animals who eat animals serve jail time? 

[Aren]

On 3/24/2023 at 11:36 PM, Helios said:

Only fish, cow, pig and chicken. The rest is ridiculous. You wanna eat cats? Squirrels, rats? Why?

 

On 3/25/2023 at 11:15 AM, A.R.L said:

Do cows have affection like dogs? No. Do cows jump with happiness when they see you? Mooooooo. Do cows help humans with some of the most important things in life? The answer is also no.
 

Therefore, dogs should not be eaten, and for this reason, the number of dog meat consumed decreases massively every year in Asia, not to mention the barbaric, inhumane way those poor dogs and cats go through before they get killed, such as why the hell would an evil person skin a dog alive or boil a cat alive to eat their meat??!!
 

Stop defending ignorance and there is no way all meat eaters are the same even when I am almost a vegetarian now than ever and feel happier and healthier.

 If you wanna keep eating dead animal corpses, that’s your choice. But stop enforcing Eurocentrism while you do so.

Edited March 27, 2023 by Aren

[Helios]

2 hours ago, Aren said:

 

 If you wanna keep eating dead animal corpses, that’s your choice. But stop enforcing Eurocentrism while you do so.

I mean im mexican but whatever.