worldwide angel Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 On 3/24/2023 at 11:30 AM, Bang Up said: what a weird take. the british empire doesn't have these archaic views on homosexuality and doesn't put gays to death... so how is uganda taking it to this extreme their fault? they introduced them. also the uk is practically TERF island now so i wouldn't say that they're any more compassionate On 3/24/2023 at 3:06 AM, Harrier said: Blaming white evangelicals or colonialism is in and of itself a kind of neo-colonialist argument. Ugandans have agency and make their own choices. In this case, the political class in Uganda has chosen to be virulently homophobic, far far more than its neighbours/peers in the region. They use hatred as a distraction for their massive set of failures across the board, and their rampant corruption. Easy to make people hate the gays - harder to lift them out of poverty. Influence from American Christian fundamentalism & colonial legacies can be acknowledged. But don't make the mistake of 'blaming' this kind of thing purely on outsiders. Uganda is making its own choices and any Ugandan will tell you that. mini-rant incoming, this isn't a personal attack Spoiler i can see why people are making the point that ugandans should have the agency to reconsider their stance on queerness because all it requires is basic human decency. i also definitely agree with your point about the scapegoating as well. but 200+ years of colonialism (which includes murders, SA, and the systematic erasure of pre-colonial african queerness) is sadly difficult to undo. so yes, while homophobic ugandans deserved to be dragged, so do the colonialists and american evangelicals. they have the privilege, the economic and military might, and decided to introduce homophobia and transphobia to indigenous countries around the globe in hopes of painting the world in their white supremacist image which in turn led to the deaths of probably millions of queer africans. that's not something that should be minimized and its not something that can be easily whisked away seeing as it continues to this day (i.e. evangelicals). so is it really 100% agency if entire generations had homophobic beliefs drilled into their heads, beaten into them, etc. and subsequently reiterate those same beliefs under the whole "homosexuality is unafrican" myth. i don't think acknowledging that has to frame ugandans as completely powerless or unreasonably unintelligent nor does it absolve them of their homophobia.
Sazare Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 On 3/23/2023 at 8:16 PM, Femalien said: Uganda be kidding me Prayers to my gay brothers and sisters in Africa. This is an abomination unto human rights
family.guy123 Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 3 hours ago, AMIT said: the smooth brains in here acting like neocolonialism isn't a thing Elaborate further
family.guy123 Posted March 30, 2023 Posted March 30, 2023 2 hours ago, worldwide angel said: they introduced them. also the uk is practically TERF island now so i wouldn't say that they're any more compassionate mini-rant incoming, this isn't a personal attack Hide contents i can see why people are making the point that ugandans should have the agency to reconsider their stance on queerness because all it requires is basic human decency. i also definitely agree with your point about the scapegoating as well. but 200+ years of colonialism (which includes murders, SA, and the systematic erasure of pre-colonial african queerness) is sadly difficult to undo. so yes, while homophobic ugandans deserved to be dragged, so do the colonialists and american evangelicals. they have the privilege, the economic and military might, and decided to introduce homophobia and transphobia to indigenous countries around the globe in hopes of painting the world in their white supremacist image which in turn led to the deaths of probably millions of queer africans. that's not something that should be minimized and its not something that can be easily whisked away seeing as it continues to this day (i.e. evangelicals). so is it really 100% agency if entire generations had homophobic beliefs drilled into their heads, beaten into them, etc. and subsequently reiterate those same beliefs under the whole "homosexuality is unafrican" myth. i don't think acknowledging that has to frame ugandans as completely powerless or unreasonably unintelligent nor does it absolve them of their homophobia. 200+? I thought it was less than 70 or am I mistaken?
AMIT Posted April 4, 2023 Posted April 4, 2023 On 3/30/2023 at 2:29 AM, family.guy123 said: Elaborate further
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