discussion Leftist Commentators at TYT launch transphobic discourse over obscure medical terms

[Aethereal]

99.9% of those who complain never heard those words outside of those tweets.

[Bloo]

5 hours ago, FreeXone said:

It just seems icky. Like your describing cattle or something lol 

 

I understand it for medical terminology but in everyday life? No.

Literally no one is using it in everyday life. 

[wehan6]

dd this clown. miss olayemi collecting her dumb ass 

[Armani?]

On 3/23/2023 at 12:20 PM, commander said:

Ana is a center-leaning commentator at best. In fact TYT might as well rebrand itself as a center-leaning news shows. They are just giving upper class white millennials with a hot take on social issues every now and then. 

 

 

They're Social Democrats

[rihannafan]

3 hours ago, wehan6 said:

dd this clown. miss olayemi collecting her dumb ass 

Just came here to post this. Wtf? She really is a grifter.

Edited April 10, 2023 by rihannafan

[ClashAndBurn]

7 hours ago, wehan6 said:

dd this clown. miss olayemi collecting her dumb ass 

 

4 hours ago, rihannafan said:

Just came here to post this. Wtf? She really is a grifter.

Not her liking a post promoting a “revolt against TransThink”

[Mr. Blue_Shirt]

9 hours ago, wehan6 said:

dd this clown. miss olayemi collecting her dumb ass 

The way past Ana Kasparian would drag the sh*t out of current Ana Kasparian in the TYT show is so funny to me  

Edited April 10, 2023 by Mr. Blue_Shirt

[Mr. Blue_Shirt]

6 hours ago, rihannafan said:

Just came here to post this. Wtf? She really is a grifter.

To think that Ana used to make fun of Dave Rubin for being a grifter after leaving the TYT show and now she would do same thing he did right now 

 

It's just so poetic to me idk dd

[Communion]

What are these Dave Rubin ass losers doing??? 

 

 

 

[Living To Tell]

 

[Bloo]

On 4/10/2023 at 7:25 AM, wehan6 said:

dd this clown. miss olayemi collecting her dumb ass 

Thank god for Olayemi. TYT is doing this intentionally. It would be one thing if they started this noise back when that podcast episode dropped. But it’s been a week (or two?) since then and they’re NOW all of a sudden bringing so much drama to this? They want the attention. They want to differentiate themselves from the “radical left” to get clicks. It’s honestly very embarrassing at this point. Whatever credibility as a leftist outlet TYT had is in shambles. Them being more established and having more relative draw made it fair to keep watching them. But they’re making their ultimate play all to obvious at this point.

 

That (recent!) clip of Ana condemning Republicans for doing the same thing she’s doing now is the proof for me. I remember when she first did that segment so it’s been a trip to see how quickly she’s flipped on this.

[Bloo]

 

What the hell is this?  This is so cartoonishly stupid. 

 

[Aethereal]

This language is actually used in order to be inclusive towards trans men not trans women.

Words like menstruators or chest feeders make no sense to be used as a form of being inclusive to trans women because there are actual biological women who have never breast fed  and there are actual biological women who have never menstruated. 

 

 

And so on and forth with the other examples.  Those words are being used to distinguish trans men from women. So if you say "pregnant women" in that particular context you are either excluding trans men or implying that trans men are women. Pregnant woman does not imply that a non pregnant woman is not woman, as there are even biological women who cannot get pregnant. So again this language is not being used for trans women.

 

 

 

Edited April 12, 2023 by Aristotle

[Harrier]

This is just an extremely ridiculous hill to die on and there's no defending their continued insistence on doing so. Especially with their close friend Emma making the right points in a very fair way. Empathetically I get that they are doubling down and being defensive in the face of attacks, but its just not good enough. I am honestly offended on Emma's behalf for Cenk's rude tweets.

 

I hope that there are some voices within TYT that are pushing back also. I get the sense that John Idorola doesn't agree with Ana & Cenk, hopefully he has the courage to speak up.

[slik]

sometimes I read a tweet that makes me go 'what'

 

this is definitely one of those tweets

 

 

 

 

[Harrier]

I would like to once again push back against the 'grifter' comments/narratives though. They're not doing this for clicks or money or whatever. It's genuine, unfortunately, given how incredibly stupid their takes are.

 

Be careful throwing around those kinds of accusations as in their minds it only proves how unhinged the far left is. Don't prove them right. Sometimes people do shitty takes or get defensive without any kind of underlying motive.

 

This one of the things that pushes people right. Be more measured. Please. I am begging the left leaning people who might read this. I get that takes like these are frustrating but there is just absolutely no evidence that they're doing them for money.

 

Both Cenk & Ana have turned down huge amounts of money many times to do what they do. Million dollar opportunities, pushed aside. They're not suddenly grifitng on trans issues now for a few clicks here and now. Be serious.

[Bloo]

1 hour ago, Harrier said:

I would like to once again push back against the 'grifter' comments/narratives though. They're not doing this for clicks or money or whatever. It's genuine, unfortunately, given how incredibly stupid their takes are.

 

Be careful throwing around those kinds of accusations as in their minds it only proves how unhinged the far left is. Don't prove them right. Sometimes people do shitty takes or get defensive without any kind of underlying motive.

 

This one of the things that pushes people right. Be more measured. Please. I am begging the left leaning people who might read this. I get that takes like these are frustrating but there is just absolutely no evidence that they're doing them for money.

 

Both Cenk & Ana have turned down huge amounts of money many times to do what they do. Million dollar opportunities, pushed aside. They're not suddenly grifitng on trans issues now for a few clicks here and now. Be serious.

Cenk and Ana are definitely doing this for clicks and clout. That’s the reality. They are reacting to a podcast 2 weeks after the fact. For instance, this was Ana, just a few months ago, calling out Josh Hawley for attacking someone in Congress for saying “birthing people” in the context of reproductive rights:

 

Her words: “[Right wingers] know there’s a difference between gender and sex… That’s why the language… is inclusive: to include those people. It’s not a big deal. But they make it a big deal. They manufacture it into a big deal because that’s all Republicans do.”

 

The fact that she is doing the EXACT same thing she was literally calling out on the exact same issue is pretty hard evidence that this was an intentional choice on their part. The term “birthing person” is so uncommonly used and so niche that them hyper focusing on it can’t be a genuine point of discussion when they’ve already correctly identified how it’s a manufactured point of hysteria among the right wing. 
 

Ana and Cenk’s recent rhetoric is engineered. It’s not authentic. Maybe their numbers are going down and they want to attract older left-leaning voters that are transphobic? Who knows. But it’s beyond obvious that this isn’t in good faith. Just assuming good will from everyone with a platform is naïve at this point. 

[Harrier]

3 hours ago, Bloo said:

Cenk and Ana are definitely doing this for clicks and clout. That’s the reality. They are reacting to a podcast 2 weeks after the fact. For instance, this was Ana, just a few months ago, calling out Josh Hawley for attacking someone in Congress for saying “birthing people” in the context of reproductive rights:

 

Her words: “[Right wingers] know there’s a difference between gender and sex… That’s why the language… is inclusive: to include those people. It’s not a big deal. But they make it a big deal. They manufacture it into a big deal because that’s all Republicans do.”

 

The fact that she is doing the EXACT same thing she was literally calling out on the exact same issue is pretty hard evidence that this was an intentional choice on their part. The term “birthing person” is so uncommonly used and so niche that them hyper focusing on it can’t be a genuine point of discussion when they’ve already correctly identified how it’s a manufactured point of hysteria among the right wing. 
 

Ana and Cenk’s recent rhetoric is engineered. It’s not authentic. Maybe their numbers are going down and they want to attract older left-leaning voters that are transphobic? Who knows. But it’s beyond obvious that this isn’t in good faith. Just assuming good will from everyone with a platform is naïve at this point. 

No it isn't. Point blank it's not. You are basing your argument on a clip from a while ago where Ana makes a more standard leftist argument, but if you're as familiar with TYT as I am you would know that Ana's stances on trans issues have long been a bit flimsy and unsure, including during the time of that clip. She was towing the line but it has long been clear to me that she has some (unfounded) misgivings or discomfort about these issues and was hiding them to avoid this kind of drama.

 

I would pull up some clips if I had the time, but I hope you can trust my memory on that - months ago she made comments presenting gender affirming care for minors as a 'nuanced' issue, plus Cenk and Ana are both a bit dodgy with pronouns, and display a general unfamiliarity with trans people.

 

The tweet represents her expressing those frustrations she had been hiding, and then the whole thing spiralled from there. Cenk plays defense for her because he's incredibly loyal to her. It is no more complicated than that.

 

You have no evidence of a calculated messaging shift. Accusing someone of being a dishonest actor when they know they aren't is a very fast road to pushing that person away from your side permanently. Your rhetoric and those people on twitter doing the same is wrong and frankly I agree with Cenk and Ana when they are pissed about it.

 

I would actually say that this issue stems from Cenk and Ana not being familiar with trans people or many queer people in general. They're ignorant. Much like their crime stances stem from their feelings about the homelessness crisis in LA. It's a personal thing. I encourage people to criticise them but just do it without deciding they're bad actors.

 

[ClashAndBurn]

The precursor to TYT’s “Why I Left The Left”

 

Good riddance. They basically shitlibs at this point anyway. Have been for awhile now.

[Bloo]

4 hours ago, Harrier said:

No it isn't. Point blank it's not. You are basing your argument on a clip from a while ago where Ana makes a more standard leftist argument, but if you're as familiar with TYT as I am you would know that Ana's stances on trans issues have long been a bit flimsy and unsure, including during the time of that clip. She was towing the line but it has long been clear to me that she has some (unfounded) misgivings or discomfort about these issues and was hiding them to avoid this kind of drama.

 

I would pull up some clips if I had the time, but I hope you can trust my memory on that - months ago she made comments presenting gender affirming care for minors as a 'nuanced' issue, plus Cenk and Ana are both a bit dodgy with pronouns, and display a general unfamiliarity with trans people.

 

The tweet represents her expressing those frustrations she had been hiding, and then the whole thing spiralled from there. Cenk plays defense for her because he's incredibly loyal to her. It is no more complicated than that.

 

You have no evidence of a calculated messaging shift. Accusing someone of being a dishonest actor when they know they aren't is a very fast road to pushing that person away from your side permanently. Your rhetoric and those people on twitter doing the same is wrong and frankly I agree with Cenk and Ana when they are pissed about it.

 

I would actually say that this issue stems from Cenk and Ana not being familiar with trans people or many queer people in general. They're ignorant. Much like their crime stances stem from their feelings about the homelessness crisis in LA. It's a personal thing. I encourage people to criticise them but just do it without deciding they're bad actors.

 

No, until this latest thing, I was a paid TYT member and have watched them since I was in high school. I graduated going on more than ten years ago. I’m very familiar with Ana and the hosts in general and she’s never espoused discomfort with trans issues. In fact, all of the online leftists that have criticized her commentary remarked that she also has a history of being pro-trans which makes her recent stances all the more shocking. So, not to be rude, but I trust our memories and the fact that there is a video of her arguing the correct position on the inclusive language for people with the capacity to give birth just a few months ago rather than just trust your understanding of Ana and company. 
 

Cenk and Ana had a trans woman working at TYT, in addition to an Elizabeth Warren surrogate who would guest host the show who was trans, and TYT had a special segment for the Trans Day of Remembrance last year. 
 

The calculated the shift is clear from the fact that Ana sat on that podcast clip for 2 weeks before drumming up drama again. I’m sorry, but you’re being far too charitable and are toeing the line by just saying, “No! They’re not flipping on the issue despite all the videos suggesting otherwise. They’ve always been massive transphobes and uncomfortable with pronouns and stuff!” Which… okay, that to me is very much the opposite of my recollection. But that still isn’t a real solid defense of them. It also doesn’t make up for the fact that Ana was recently defending language like “birthing people” just a few months ago and now she’s dead set on the issue. 
 

Sorry, but there’s plenty of reason to believe that this is intentional posturing from them when they’re literally starting drama and fights online over a made up issue. This coupled with Ana and Cenk’s anti-poor rhetoric of late and Ana going on to call Ben Shapiro respectable and you have a pretty nasty preview of Ana’s “I Didn’t Leave the Left, the Left left Me” transition. 

[Communion]

4 hours ago, Harrier said:

No it isn't. Point blank it's not. You are basing your argument on a clip from a while ago where Ana makes a more standard leftist argument, but if you're as familiar with TYT as I am you would know that Ana's stances on trans issues have long been a bit flimsy and unsure, including during the time of that clip. She was towing the line but it has long been clear to me that she has some (unfounded) misgivings or discomfort about these issues and was hiding them to avoid this kind of drama.

 

I would pull up some clips if I had the time, but I hope you can trust my memory on that - months ago she made comments presenting gender affirming care for minors as a 'nuanced' issue, plus Cenk and Ana are both a bit dodgy with pronouns, and display a general unfamiliarity with trans people.

 

The tweet represents her expressing those frustrations she had been hiding, and then the whole thing spiralled from there. Cenk plays defense for her because he's incredibly loyal to her. It is no more complicated than that.

 

You have no evidence of a calculated messaging shift. Accusing someone of being a dishonest actor when they know they aren't is a very fast road to pushing that person away from your side permanently. Your rhetoric and those people on twitter doing the same is wrong and frankly I agree with Cenk and Ana when they are pissed about it.

 

I would actually say that this issue stems from Cenk and Ana not being familiar with trans people or many queer people in general. They're ignorant. Much like their crime stances stem from their feelings about the homelessness crisis in LA. It's a personal thing. I encourage people to criticise them but just do it without deciding they're bad actors.

 

Why does anyone owe it to Ana to win her over and keep her on our side? Whose to say there isn't more benefit in showing her as an example of the fraudulence of transphobia and moving on? Why is it anyone else's job to save her from herself? And I don't mean us here. She's attacked Olayemi now unprovoked for 3 days. Why is it a black leftist woman's job to save a white lady from TERFdom after getting attacked for originally DEFENDING said lady?

Edited April 12, 2023 by Communion

[Harrier]

21 minutes ago, Bloo said:

No, until this latest thing, I was a paid TYT member and have watched them since I was in high school. I graduated going on more than ten years ago. I’m very familiar with Ana and the hosts in general and she’s never espoused discomfort with trans issues. In fact, all of the online leftists that have criticized her commentary remarked that she also has a history of being pro-trans which makes her recent stances all the more shocking. So, not to be rude, but I trust our memories and the fact that there is a video of her arguing the correct position on the inclusive language for people with the capacity to give birth just a few months ago rather than just trust your understanding of Ana and company. 
 

Cenk and Ana had a trans woman working at TYT, in addition to an Elizabeth Warren surrogate who would guest host the show who was trans, and TYT had a special segment for the Trans Day of Remembrance last year. 
 

The calculated the shift is clear from the fact that Ana sat on that podcast clip for 2 weeks before drumming up drama again. I’m sorry, but you’re being far too charitable and are toeing the line by just saying, “No! They’re not flipping on the issue despite all the videos suggesting otherwise. They’ve always been massive transphobes and uncomfortable with pronouns and stuff!” Which… okay, that to me is very much the opposite of my recollection. But that still isn’t a real solid defense of them. It also doesn’t make up for the fact that Ana was recently defending language like “birthing people” just a few months ago and now she’s dead set on the issue. 
 

Sorry, but there’s plenty of reason to believe that this is intentional posturing from them when they’re literally starting drama and fights online over a made up issue. This coupled with Ana and Cenk’s anti-poor rhetoric of late and Ana going on to call Ben Shapiro respectable and you have a pretty nasty preview of Ana’s “I Didn’t Leave the Left, the Left left Me” transition. 

No point arguing further, but I will just add two things. One, I didn't mean that Cenk\Ana were raging transphobes, only that I had sensed some discomfort from Ana well before this controversy and thus it didn't surprise me. If this whole thing escalates again, I'll find the clip I'm referring to with Ana presenting gender affirming care in an 'both sides' light.

 

Secondly, I would be genuinely horrified if the 'leave the left' narrative happens. I've been a member for like 9 years or something. Let's hope not.

[Bosque]

The Left is eating its own again what else is new 

[Headlock]

14 hours ago, Harrier said:

This one of the things that pushes people right. Be more measured.

Aside from this argument being a fallacy (since a person being told to respect the rights of minorities reacting by becoming MORE prejudiced was always on the right), a "measured approach" requires a measured opposition. A person doing a direct 180 on their statements on a public platform is not a measured opposition, that is someone making a purposeful effort to garner attention.

 

Why are trans and queer people always told to be nice to those that are screaming for our existence to be extinguished? You use a measured approach when people are capable of hearing your argument, who are genuinely confused and want to learn so they can grow to become allies. I've been on this earth long enough in my flaming homosexual self to spot which people are which. Being told I should be patient and measured to polemicists, who have no interest in changing their minds, truly feels like being gaslit at this point. I have things to do, I'm not wasting my energy on them.

[RunUpDoneUp]

Idk how you see the exact same mannerisms present in Ana and all the terfs we know on twitter and come away with anything but, "Yep, she's one of them."

 

You have to be eyeswideshutting it.

 

The dummy is literally being misogynist to own the trans mafia.