discussion Leftist Commentators at TYT launch transphobic discourse over obscure medical terms

[Helios]

ugly, just ugly. I knew there was something  off about her. She screams pick me girl. 

Edited March 23, 2023 by Helios

[Helios]

2 hours ago, velocity said:

The fact that so many of you cannot wrap your head around the fact that women don't want to be reduced to the body parts that have been the reason for their opression since the dawn of time is insane

 

If women demand to be called that, you call them that. End of story

If Ana represents all women its time for an Asteroid to hit earth. She's vile. 

[TiaTamera]

3 hours ago, Communion said:

95% of your posts is blatant transphobia not worth addressing, but to highlight when you're blatantly wrong:

 

- People with prostates

- People with testes 

 

Both just as used in clinical settings. You will struggle to lookup info for cancer screenings and not see either. 

I’m talking about outside of clinical settings. People are trying to make this terminology the norm outside of clinical settings and that’s what the debate is about. I don’t think anyone has a problem with it being used in clinical settings and if they are well then idk what to tell them because it’s been used well before the convention of inclusivity of transgender people.

 

[JoanneActII]

7 hours ago, TiaTamera said:

So what do we call a cis women that can’t menstruate or give birth? A biological female? No cause I heard that was offensive too because it’s saying that biological females are “natural” while trans women are not naturally female (they literally aren’t). AFAB is so dumb because you cannot un-assign it.  The argument that “biological” and “natural” female is offensive when the only way to get a “sex change” is by chemicals and surgery is comical. There’s nothing natural about that. And it’s not offensive to say, it’s literally the truth.

 

the gender is all about how a person feels not about organs, sex is about organs and people keep on flip flopping between the two. It should be AGAB (girl) not female. And yes the semantics are important. 

Why not just call them females? That’s what they are. And with intersex people the term is called….intersex and most of the time only one reproductive organ works. A person is either a male, female, or intersex (normally with only one reproductive organ working anyways).

 

there’s no need to say “person that menstruates” or “birthing person” or even worse, “chest feeder” (as if chest and breast aren’t different, as if men don’t have breast). Let’s start calling it chest cancer instead of breast cancer! Because breast cancer is gender exclusive of men, oh wait it is not. What happens if a cis woman calls herself a woman and someone corrects her and says “person who menstruates” is she supposed to tell that person she cannot menstruates? If she supposed to disclose her health issues? 

I have yet to see someone describe men as “people who ejaculate” or “person who uses right hand to jack off”. There’s only been a discourse to change how we describe women when we can just say women. “But I don’t identify as a woman” okay so then don’t call yourself that?

 

Ima start calling men people with sperm 

This is such a pathetic transphobic meltdown. grow the f*** up. these terms are never used to refer to a singular person, only people as a whole. the rest of your post isn't even worth a dignified response since it's just the usual delusional right wing transphobic talking points. 

[Communion]

3 hours ago, TiaTamera said:

I’m talking about outside of clinical settings

There is objectively, factually no evidence that "people with uteruses" is used more commonly outside of medical settings than "people with prostates". Even the examples Ana gives show that her concerns are done in bad faith.

 

She asserts "I don't want anyone to call me _____" but yet no one has called *her* anything. And when asked to show where *she's* been, personally, referenced as such, she can only point to, again, clinical and educational examples where medical professionals or groups who advocate for health-related causes use said language as expansive language to give better specificity to what they mean.

 

Talking about abortion rights? You're literally addressing people who can get pregnant.

Talking about access to period supplies? You're literally addressing people who menstruate.

Talking about cervical cancer? You're literally address people with cervixes. 

Talking about ovarian cancer? You're literally talking about people with ovaries.

Talking about prostate cancer? You're literally talking about people with prostates.

Talking about testicular cancer? You're literally talking about people with testes.

 

Just like how you wouldn't say "fat people" when discussing those managing diabetes, because not all fat people have diabetes. You'd say "people with diabetes".  And such an example exemplifies the problem in demanding medical language accomodate social biases out of "convenience". "Well most people with diabetes are fat so.." is basically the same idea as "well MOST people who can get pregnant are women so....". 

 

People with asthma. People with a family history of heart disease. People who smoke. 

 

Your posts would be seen as more than just bad faith trolling if it also didn't try and attack language like AFAB and use gross "scare quotes" around terms like sex change while decrying medical language as bleeding into social life.

[Bloo]

This was so unnecessary. The "birthing people" hysteria isn't even mainstream at this point. Ana and Cenk are only doing this to essentially fulfill the "not like the other girls" schtick but for left-wing commentary. The fact that they are just choosing to punch down on the trans community and language meant to make sure they get adequate healthcare rather than open up a discussion to maybe learn something is all you need to know.

 

They had a video the other day about how the culture war is a distraction and then they launch random, unnecessary tirades like this to spark a culture war to generate more content. It's old and I can't take it seriously.

[SmittenCake]

11 hours ago, Communion said:

 

#ListenToWomen

[ClashAndBurn]

1 hour ago, Bloo said:

This was so unnecessary. The "birthing people" hysteria isn't even mainstream at this point. Ana and Cenk are only doing this to essentially fulfill the "not like the other girls" schtick but for left-wing commentary. The fact that they are just choosing to punch down on the trans community and language meant to make sure they get adequate healthcare rather than open up a discussion to maybe learn something is all you need to know.

 

They had a video the other day about how the culture war is a distraction and then they launch random, unnecessary tirades like this to spark a culture war to generate more content. It's old and I can't take it seriously.

Exactly how I feel about TYT at this point. And yet, the TERFs are insisting up and down that specific medical jargon is either just as or nearly as prevalent as LatinX and needs to be squashed at all costs.  

[rihannafan]

this is so stupid because calling people with ovaries people ovaries is doing the opposite of what Ana says it's doing. It is removing the notion of gender from genitalia or reproductive organs.

[Bloo]

6 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

Exactly how I feel about TYT at this point. And yet, the TERFs are insisting up and down that specific medical jargon is either just as or nearly as prevalent as LatinX and needs to be squashed at all costs.  

Comparing LatinX and "birthing people" is so.... stupid.

 

If the term LatinX (which if I'm not mistaken was pitched by nonbinary Latino people) gained traction, I'd adjust. It's fine. Crying about the term if you're not part of that community is ridiculous. Let's just settle that cause the outrage about it from people not in that community are doing the most.

 

However, Latino/Latina/Latinx are terms to refer to people of a culture. "Birthing people" is a medically-practical term meant to give people the appropriate kind of healthcare. A better comparison is "man who has sex with men" in medical forms as opposed to "gay man". The reason the former is common on medical forms is that "gay man" misses people who don't identify as gay but have sex with men, which is an important piece of information for medical practitioners to treat patients.

 

It is necessary for people to receive appropriate healthcare. That is done by making sure healthcare providers receive adequate information to make treatment and other healthcare decisions. 

 

No one refers to women are "birthing people" in any context outside of (1) medical/clinical settings, (2) legal settings in relation to medical/clinical care, or (3) chronically-online people crying about marginalized people existing.

[Bang Up]

The narrative that this language is only being used in clinical settings is just flat-out wrong. There are people pushing for this language to be commonplace. They're extremists for sure, but unfortunately small groups of people are often labeled as the "majority" because of how loud they are online. These are the people causing all the issues, but since no one on the left has the guts to tell them to STFU out of fear of sounding transphobic, they continue to be loud and subsequently be used as an example.

 

Even though this language is not commonplace and may only be used in medical settings, that doesn't make cis women and trans mens' issues with the language any less valid? People are trying to be so inclusive with language that they are inadvertently excluding people. Why are the feelings of cis women and trans men not being taken seriously on this topic? They've fought for years to have their gender identities be taken seriously so non-gendered language like this in an attempt to appeal to non-binary people is just weird. Why can't we say "cis women, trans men, and people who menstruate"? That includes everyone in a way they want to be included.

[Communion]

1 hour ago, Bang Up said:

cis women and trans men

Trans men are who first crafted and started using this language because the point of it is to INCLUDE them.  Why is everyone you post always so loud and wrong? "People who can get pregnant" has nothing to do with trans WOMEN. It is trans MEN making sure they are included in healthcare settings. 

 

So not only have you outed yourself as a centrist weirdo who hates trans people, you've revealed yourself as a transmisogynist obsessed with specifically hating trans women that you blame them for things that have nothing to do with them. 

[Cameltoe Chariot]

Oh look, we're dogpiling yet another well-intentioned, but uneducated person with little political power for expressing an opinion, all while republicans continue to actively strip the rights away of LGBTQ+ americans across the country!

 

The left ALWAYS prioritizes celebrities and pop culture figures, because its an easy and ego-stroking endeavour! We love to see it! 

 

[Icarus]

The far left ripping itself apart 

[ClashAndBurn]

21 minutes ago, Cameltoe Chariot said:

Oh look, we're dogpiling yet another well-intentioned, but uneducated person with little political power for expressing an opinion, all while republicans continue to actively strip the rights away of LGBTQ+ americans across the country!

 

The left ALWAYS prioritizes celebrities and pop culture figures, because its an easy and ego-stroking endeavour! We love to see it! 

 

There is nothing well-intentioned about driving a wedge through a community at a time when TERFs and GCs are promoting trans genocide talking points as liberals screech that calling “eradicate transgenderism from society” a genocidal statement dilutes the meaning of the word. But yes. The left is the problem. Not reactionary pundits like Ana and Cenk  

[ClashAndBurn]

54 minutes ago, Communion said:

Trans men are who first crafted and started using this language because the point of it is to INCLUDE them.  Why is everyone you post always so loud and wrong? "People who can get pregnant" has nothing to do with trans WOMEN. It is trans MEN making sure they are included in healthcare settings. 

 

So not only have you outed yourself as a centrist weirdo who hates trans people, you've revealed yourself as a transmisogynist obsessed with specifically hating trans women that you blame them for things that have nothing to do with them. 

If anything he’s really trying to be so differential to trans men but shitting on AFAB nonbinary people by wanting to single them out and separate them as a fringe that shouldn’t be included in discussions about reproductive health.

 

That said, there are certain folks out there that do believe trans women are delusional enough that they believe they can get pregnant. The number of transphobic assholes screaming “THIS IS SO ACCURATE, SOUTH PARK ALWAYS GETS IT RIGHT” about a 20 year old clip of Garrison from South Park trying to get an abortion says it all really.

[Cameltoe Chariot]

13 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

There is nothing well-intentioned about driving a wedge through a community at a time when TERFs and GCs are promoting trans genocide talking points as liberals screech that calling “eradicate transgenderism from society” a genocidal statement dilutes the meaning of the word. But yes. The left is the problem. Not reactionary pundits like Ana and Cenk  

If that's what you took away from what I said, then I can only hope you figure out a strategy soon because the right is organized and taking every opportunity they can while we're distracted by in-fighting and language policing.

 

Taking down youtube newscasters isn't going to protect your rights, but I can't tell you what to do.

[JustLikeHoney]

Literally this is why everyone jumped on J.K. Rollings hate bandwagon. Her first tweet about any of this was about a pamphlet that read "person who menstruates" instead of woman. 

 

 

TBH. I support anyone. I will call you what you want to be called. I have no issue in that. Just like I support any woman that does not want to be referred to as "person who menstruates."  Why are women being bullied into being called, "person who menstrates?"

 

[Redstreak]

3 hours ago, Bang Up said:

The narrative that this language is only being used in clinical settings is just flat-out wrong. There are people pushing for this language to be commonplace. They're extremists for sure, but unfortunately small groups of people are often labeled as the "majority" because of how loud they are online. These are the people causing all the issues, but since no one on the left has the guts to tell them to STFU out of fear of sounding transphobic, they continue to be loud and subsequently be used as an example.

 

Even though this language is not commonplace and may only be used in medical settings, that doesn't make cis women and trans mens' issues with the language any less valid? People are trying to be so inclusive with language that they are inadvertently excluding people. Why are the feelings of cis women and trans men not being taken seriously on this topic? They've fought for years to have their gender identities be taken seriously so non-gendered language like this in an attempt to appeal to non-binary people is just weird. Why can't we say "cis women, trans men, and people who menstruate"? That includes everyone in a way they want to be included.

I need examples. If you’re going to falsely claim there’s this big push to make it commonplace you need to be able to show your work

[velocity]

2 minutes ago, JustLikeHoney said:

Literally this is why everyone jumped on J.K. Rollings hate bandwagon. Her first tweet about any of this was about a pamphlet that read "person who menstruates" instead of woman. 

 

 

TBH. I support anyone. I will call you what you want to be called. I have no issue in that. Just like I support any woman that does not want to be referred to as "person who menstruates."  Why are women being bullied into being called, "person who menstrates?"

 

Tale as old as time: misogyny

 

 

[Communion]

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1 hour ago, JustLikeHoney said:

Literally this is why everyone jumped on J.K. Rollings hate bandwagon. Her first tweet about any of this was about a pamphlet that read "person who menstruates" instead of woman. 

 

 

TBH. I support anyone. I will call you what you want to be called. I have no issue in that. Just like I support any woman that does not want to be referred to as "person who menstruates."  Why are women being bullied into being called, "person who menstrates?"

 

 

1 hour ago, velocity said:

Tale as old as time: misogyny

By this logic, men should take the existance terms like people with prostates as personal forms of misandry. 

 

You can't name a single reference where Ana has personally been called this. 

 

You're peddling the TERF equivalent of people going "Happy Holidays" and conservatives going "STOP ERASING CHRISTMAS". Christmas is a holiday. Women who have uteruses are people who menstruate. You're not upset about some erasure of cis women that's not happening. You're repulsed by the idea of grouping cis and trans peopoe as worthy of medically accurate language. 

[RunUpDoneUp]

 

White feminism can't help but to lead to this. White women just HAVE to find something irrelevant to them to complain about. They know no other way to live.

 

She hasn't even experienced this(because it exists in books and law) and is STILL triggered.

 

Sometimes, women do be talking just to talk.

 

How about "whiners who birth?" Does that more accurately map her demographic?

[Bloo]

9 hours ago, Bang Up said:

The narrative that this language is only being used in clinical settings is just flat-out wrong. There are people pushing for this language to be commonplace. 

Cite a single example.

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Why can't we say "cis women, trans men, and people who menstruate"? That includes everyone in a way they want to be included.

Because this is imprecise and unhelpful language for clinical and medical practitioners. With your proposed alternative, cis women who have undergone a hysterectomy would be included for medical care that is completely irrelevant to them. 
 

It’s a wild concept, but MAYBE medical professionals have actual medical reasons behind crafting language needed to help inform them to treat patients. 

[Aren]

3 hours ago, RunUpDoneUp said:

 

White feminism can't help but to lead to this. White women just HAVE to find something irrelevant to them to complain about. They know no other way to live.

 

She hasn't even experienced this(because it exists in books and law) and is STILL triggered.

 

Sometimes, women do be talking just to talk.

 

How about "whiners who birth?" Does that more accurately map her demographic?

Ana is a middle eastern woman tho.

[RunUpDoneUp]

14 hours ago, Aren said:

Ana is a middle eastern woman tho.

I'm happy for her.

 

Cultural adoption is a sign of assimilation. I'm glad she's blending in.