discussion Leftist Commentators at TYT launch transphobic discourse over obscure medical terms

[ClashAndBurn]

Get those co-signs and retweets from Ben Shapiro and Kari Lake, Ana  

[wehan6]

these ******* losers 

 

the majority report remains the superior progressive show 

[Communion]

We been knew TYT are a bunch of reactionary losers. Ana peddles "homeless people are worthless criminals" rhetoric and Cenk is a "vote blue no matter who!" weirdo. 

[vale9001]

I suppose all of you are men telling a woman how she should like to be defined

 

men are gonna men i guess. 

[Communion]

11 minutes ago, vale9001 said:

I suppose all of you are men telling a woman how she should like to be defined

 

men are gonna men i guess. 

 

#ListenToWomen

[shyboi]

 

 

while reading those tweets this bop was on my mind   

 

i wonder what's the women / men / NB ratio here in ATRL? 

 

 

 

Edited March 23, 2023 by shyboi

[fentypark]

she wasn’t even being transphobic 

[ScorpiosGroove]

she spilled 

[JoanneActII]

can this discourse die already? it's so 2019. inclusivity of trans and intersex people harms nobody and doesn't erasure your gender grow the **** up (which is insanely ironic that these people say this while happily erasing trans people's gender for their comfort). plus there's cis women who can't menstruate, give birth or who don't have a uterus and targeting healthcare at them when it doesn't affect them is wasting their time. 

[Specter]

Are people really this stupid? I hate it here. 

 

Cenk thinking that he had a gotcha when... there are so many instances of overlap between institutional/medicalized language and colloquial usage

 

"Why are YOU saying people who menstruate? Are you a doctor?" is one of the most 2 IQ things I've heard.

[Peroxide]

Using inclusive language isn't hurting anyone...? Like its existence shouldn't offend you. You're a woman, you're a man - GREAT nobody is trying to erase that (despite what the right want you to think).

 

On the other-hand, I think some people within the left can take things a little TOO far when it comes to monitoring vocabulary... it can get to a point where it becomes puritanical and exhausting. 

 

I still like Ana (I agree with her 90% of time) but this was unneeded to say, it just reemphases harmful rhetoric that demonises trans people and plays in the idea that tHe tRanSgeNders want to completely eradicate women.

 

Edited March 23, 2023 by Peroxide

[getBusy]

They’re both idiots

[Khal]

It's not like such language have become commonplace, no woman in the course of a normal conversation is being referred to as "person with a uterus". I don't think it's transphobia, but it's odd that they're complaining about something that's not happening yet.

[Mr. Blue_Shirt]

Right wingers on Cenk and Ana social media timeline are so f*cked up that they actually believe it themselves 

 

I'm curious what Hasan would say about this on his stream nnn

[Mr. Blue_Shirt]

1 hour ago, wehan6 said:

these ******* losers 

 

the majority report remains the superior progressive show 

Tea!

 

Daddy Sam Seder would never been this low 

[ClashAndBurn]

56 minutes ago, fentypark said:

she wasn’t even being transphobic 

That wasn’t my claim. At all. But she is deferring to the transphobic talking points of Matt Walsh, Michael Knowles, and Ben Shapiro.

[Monday Night Messiah]

1 hour ago, JoanneActII said:

can this discourse die already? it's so 2019. inclusivity of trans and intersex people harms nobody and doesn't erasure your gender grow the **** up (which is insanely ironic that these people say this while happily erasing trans people's gender for their comfort). plus there's cis women who can't menstruate, give birth or who don't have a uterus and targeting healthcare at them when it doesn't affect them is wasting their time. 

I think these made-up terms actually harm women and transwomen more because it only highlights their differences and puts so much focus on things one can do over the other. Just call women, women.

[305]

What? How is that transphobic? She's absolutely right

[JoanneActII]

25 minutes ago, Monday Night Messiah said:

I think these made-up terms actually harm women and transwomen more because it only highlights their differences and puts so much focus on things one can do over the other. Just call women, women.

The terms aren't even used for trans women at all, they're used to include trans men, nonbinary people and intersex people ffs. arguing the terms are made up when all language is made up is pedantic. highlighting the differences between cis and trans people does not harm anybody, erasing trans people from discussions about medical care causes real harm. 

also you are clearly "highlighting their differences" by calling cis women just women while calling trans women (which is two words not one) and not just calling them women aswell. 

[ClashAndBurn]

7 minutes ago, Monday Night Messiah said:

I think these made-up terms actually harm women and transwomen more because it only highlights their differences and puts so much focus on things one can do over the other. Just call women, women.

Women and trans men who are AFAB have specific healthcare needs. Inclusive language that encompasses those needs is important to have in not just healthcare but in legal settings as well, or you arrive at loopholes that result in inequality due to subjective interpretation of the law that would omit certain groups from receiving the protections that should apply to them. LGBTQ are, by definition, not a protected class under the law, and what little we do have is provided by unstable judicial fiat that could be overturned within a year's time at any given point. Many people don't care about us and wish us harm or death. They often don't want to kill us themselves because it's a messy undertaking they often don't want to be legally accountable for. So their "legal" recourse is to make sure that we are societally ostracized by denying us healthcare and legal protection and driven to take our own lives.

 

That is why inclusive language is important in the context that it is used. Anyone who misuses it or attempts to normalize it for casual conversation the way AOC does for this and for other things like "LatinX" are actively causing harm though, but it's incumbent on media personalities like Ana to not be reactionaries and to understand concepts such as "nuance" and "reading the room." Which is a test that she has clearly failed, as she has seen the open calls for trans genocide from the right and feels it necessary to berate trans people.

[Betty White]

2 hours ago, Communion said:

 

#ListenToWomen

You do realise Kari Lake is agreeing with Ana so how is this proving your point?

[brooklyndaddy]

2 hours ago, Communion said:

We been knew TYT are a bunch of reactionary losers. Ana peddles "homeless people are worthless criminals" rhetoric and Cenk is a "vote blue no matter who!" weirdo. 

Do you suggest we vote red? 

[Vermillion]

4 minutes ago, Betty White said:

You do realise Kari Lake is agreeing with Ana so how is this proving your point?

3 minutes ago, brooklyndaddy said:

Do you suggest we vote red? 

I disagree with Communion still on some points generally on this forum but both of these responses are....

 

I'm just going to let him respond because, yikes.

 

[brooklyndaddy]

2 minutes ago, Espresso said:

I disagree with Communion still on some points generally on this forum but both of these responses are....

 

I'm just going to let him respond because, yikes.

 

Mine is a genuine question. Do y’all suggest that we vote red?

[Vermillion]

17 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said:

That is why inclusive language is important in the context that it is used. Anyone who misuses it or attempts to normalize it for casual conversation the way AOC does for this and for other things like "LatinX" are actively causing harm though, but it's incumbent on media personalities like Ana to not be reactionaries and to understand concepts such as "nuance" and "reading the room." Which is a test that she has clearly failed, as she has seen the open calls for trans genocide from the right and feels it necessary to berate trans people.

The problem is there's now definitive studies on the backlash to LatinX with it now being seen as linguistic imperialism and actually costing the left votes but that doesn't yet exist (unless I missed something) with this rhetoric on trans women. Until that exists I can't fully unpack this properly.

 

Given the noise this has produced Ana is clearly going to respond to this on a future episode if she hasn't already in her timeline which I don't have the energy to look up.

 

This may sound stupid but what do you suggest in terms of casual vs medical conversation? Serious question. There's so many layers to this.