Selegend Posted March 21, 2023 Posted March 21, 2023 what happened with Oracle? didn't they got Tiktok rights or something like 2 years ago? They're an american (huge) company
Karla Cabello Posted March 21, 2023 Posted March 21, 2023 tiktok needs to end completely all around the globe. all the fake news they propagate should be penalized
lmnoc1 Posted March 21, 2023 Posted March 21, 2023 35 minutes ago, Communion said: Americans dying from being poisoned by their own government yet even Democrats are more concerned that some Level III developer named Haoyu living in Shanghai can access user's birth dates by virtue of having access to the database they're stored via the security protocols in the system he literally helped build when asked to block access to low-level employees in China. That is why the original Buzzfeed article from like 2 years ago remains obscene. The goal post remains that no employees in China should have access in anyway to any American user data - even in the capacity of the Chinese employees tasked with building and showing American employees how to maintain the protocols built to make said data inaccessible to 99% of Chinese employees. It's basically a demand to shift all labor to America. 2 minutes ago, getBusy said: I agree with you that this entire thing is pathetic and this is just a strategic move to punish China and get some PR traction for Biden - but do not downplay how valuable having access to data can be. Forget the eyeliner. Things like abortion, war, etc also have a space on TikTok and we live in the era of optics. If you can win the public opinion you can get away with so much. They also have phone numbers, email addresses, and your Direct messages plus many people use the same password for all their accounts, so their tiktok, emails, and other social media platform... History has shown the most effective to bring a politician or celebrity down is to leak their DM or emails
Butters Posted March 21, 2023 Posted March 21, 2023 I’ll be pretty annoyed if they ban it because I really do feel connected to the rest of the world and learn a lot on it. “But China does the s-“ oh so we’re gonna run **** like China now?
Lara Croft Posted March 21, 2023 Posted March 21, 2023 Please lord let this app DIE. It's single-handedly contributing to the rapid decay and degradation of western civilization.
Communion Posted March 21, 2023 Posted March 21, 2023 6 minutes ago, lmnoc1 said: You do realize that pretty much all major American and European apps were already banned in China for the same reason right? No. The Chinese laws that ban these apps outright cite failure to comply with Chinese censorship laws. If America wants to ban apps for being Chinese owned or developed, just say that. This posturing about data mining looks unserious. Just jump the shark. Admit China is an economic competitor and thus needs to be hindered. Give us full Cold War.
lmnoc1 Posted March 21, 2023 Posted March 21, 2023 50 minutes ago, brazil said: Murica is so pathetic. All the servers are in the US, all the security protocols are being followed. They just don't want to see a non-US company, especially Chinese, succed in the area of social media. Tiktok is probably safer than any silicon Valley company at this point, and it's not like the Chinese government want to know what's Lousie's favorite eyeliner and go to titktok trend. 39 minutes ago, Communion said: Americans dying from being poisoned by their own government yet even Democrats are more concerned that some Level III developer named Haoyu living in Shanghai can access user's birth dates by virtue of having access to the database they're stored via the security protocols in the system he literally helped build when asked to block access to low-level employees in China. That is why the original Buzzfeed article from like 2 years ago remains obscene. The goal post remains that no employees in China should have access in anyway to any American user data - even in the capacity of the Chinese employees tasked with building and showing American employees how to maintain the protocols built to make said data inaccessible to 99% of Chinese employees. It's basically a demand to shift all labor to America. The app, at its current scale, can also easily decide what culture or political message they favor or want to promote. They can easily influence an event as large as the presidential election by filtering the pushed content to their young audiences. This is the reason why China shuts down all western apps in the first place.
Lara Croft Posted March 21, 2023 Posted March 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, lmnoc1 said: They also have phone numbers, email addresses, and your Direct messages These should be the least of our concerns The app is basically a mass surveillance tool on us Americans and they are studying us and laughing at us, our pronoun catalogue, our thoughts, behaviors, trends, disorders, our education system, how we are divided. Finding weaknesses!
lmnoc1 Posted March 21, 2023 Posted March 21, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Communion said: No. The Chinese laws that ban these apps outright cite failure to comply with Chinese censorship laws. If America wants to ban apps for being Chinese owned or developed, just say that. This posturing about data mining looks unserious. Just jump the shark. Admit China is an economic competitor and thus needs to be hindered. Give us full Cold War. Again the security threat to the US will be a problem to the US alone. And they did say that sounds like all apps are banned in China anyway, what to be worried about for them? Like an abroad Chinese probably wouldn't go on TT for an anti-government message, sounds like suicide, but FB Twitter wouldn't care, people being ranting about the US since like forever Edited March 21, 2023 by lmnoc1
shyboi Posted March 21, 2023 Posted March 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, Lara Croft said: These should be the least of our concerns The app is basically a mass surveillance tool on us Americans and they are studying us and laughing at us, our pronoun catalogue, our thoughts, behaviors, trends, disorders, our education system, how we are divided. Finding weaknesses! i shake my booty live everyday around 8pm, i doubt that's givin them some ammunition
popularmoonlight Posted March 21, 2023 Posted March 21, 2023 The US gov is ridiculous. They're just doing this to hurt China (in a ridiculous way - again). I'm pretty sure lots of others apps are way worse on the privacy and security matter. They just don't want to see a Chinese app succeed. I'd say let the gov ban TikTok, and we'll watch industries fail so bad in the US lol. The TV/Movies/Music industries literally depend on it. How else will Netflix get their viral shows now? How will singers get hit songs? Oh its down bad for them.
Communion Posted March 21, 2023 Posted March 21, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, lmnoc1 said: Again the security threat to the US will be a problem to the US alone. And they did say that sounds like all apps are banned in China anyway, what to be worried about for them? What security threat? How does high-level developers having access to databases where basic user information is stored lead you to the idea that CHINA can control what the app sees? Even American employees has said that's not how the app works. Even artificially boosted content that TikTok promotes amounts to 5% of views. Algorithms work but not in the way you're suggesting. You are returned what you feed into the app. These posts that frame US TikTok vs Douyin as somehow different are often reactionary and misinformed. Misinformed because it'll be like "our kids TWERK while Chinese kids READ" despite BookTok being huge. And reactionary because such claims show gross prejudice like transphobia, ie: "Our kids are learning to be they/thems while Chinese kids learn STEM!!" despite Douyin being a popular app for many LGBT Chinese youth. This idea that China is some sociocultural threat to some failing American society reveals people think America is failing for having gays or being racially diverse instead of poverty raising to new highs. For corporations in the US, China threatens shrinking just how much of the pie they get, but this idea that the average American's safety is compromised by China? Girl, go touch grass lol. They ain't going to crack the nuclear codes by watching us celebrate Femboy Fridays on their dance app. Edited March 21, 2023 by Communion
Butters Posted March 21, 2023 Posted March 21, 2023 Meta has been lobbying for this for ages cause no one actually wants to use trashy Reels. Apparently they just binned their big creator fund last week because they’re anticipating they got what they wanted.
Communion Posted March 21, 2023 Posted March 21, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, MaoMars said: Awww but China is so kawaiii, you americans will end up being destroyed if you dont wake up to the reality. China is not your friend. Sis, don't you live in some country battling China over who gets the right to certain fishing territories? Surely it makes more sense to just be honest and say that is why you want China ostracized than arguing to ban people's favorite content app because of some abstract threat of danger. My fave is supposed to lose out on a future viral Billboard Hot 100 because governments elsewhere are battling over the price of tuna? Edited March 21, 2023 by Communion
scenekiller Posted March 21, 2023 Posted March 21, 2023 23 minutes ago, Lara Croft said: Please lord let this app DIE. It's single-handedly contributing to the rapid decay and degradation of western civilization. I don’t care what country owns it or buys it, it contributes way more harm than good and shouldn’t exist in its current state.
Luckitty Posted March 21, 2023 Posted March 21, 2023 America trying to ban an app just because it's chinese losers
on the line Posted March 21, 2023 Posted March 21, 2023 Cannot wait! I feel vastly superior for never using it.
lmnoc1 Posted March 21, 2023 Posted March 21, 2023 (edited) 23 minutes ago, popularmoonlight said: The US gov is ridiculous. They're just doing this to hurt China (in a ridiculous way - again). I'm pretty sure lots of others apps are way worse on the privacy and security matter. They just don't want to see a Chinese app succeed. I'd say let the gov ban TikTok, and we'll watch industries fail so bad in the US lol. The TV/Movies/Music industries literally depend on it. How else will Netflix get their viral shows now? How will singers get hit songs? Oh its down bad for them. 5 minutes ago, Luckitty said: America trying to ban an app just because it's chinese losers 15 minutes ago, Communion said: What security threat? How does high-level developers having access to databases where basic user information is stored lead you to the idea that CHINA can control what the app sees? Even American employees has said that's not how the app works. Even artificially boosted content that TikTok promotes amounts to 5% of views. Algorithms work but not in the way you're suggesting. You are returned what you feed into the app. These posts that frame US TikTok vs Douyin as somehow different are often reactionary and misinformed. Misinformed because it'll be like "our kids TWERK while Chinese kids READ" despite BookTok being huge. And reactionary because such claims show gross prejudice like transphobia, ie: "Our kids are learning to be they/thems while Chinese kids learn STEM!!" despite Douyin being a popular app for many LGBT Chinese youth. I mean that's what the governmental concern is about. You currently have so much power over what's trendy, music, film, clothes... All these industries are dependent on it. And I don't know how any "American employees" would have access to the entirety of the source code to explain how the app works Could the app also be this powerful when it comes to organizing a protest, cyber attack, or terrorist attack? Could the app selectively favor a presidential candidate or a whole political party (Twitter is doing that right now)? Could the app biasedly bring down a celebrity or influencer by putting that on trend or leaking some of its private information? Could the app track the locations of any important figures? And when an actual war breaks out, what then? Edited March 21, 2023 by lmnoc1
Communion Posted March 21, 2023 Posted March 21, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, MaoMars said: Xi Jinping was out there visiting his bestie Putin The vast majority of countries have maintained diplomatic ties to Russia because most countries in the world vlew themselves as third-aligned - able to condemn Russia's actions while maintaining necessary trade. Russian oil still flows to places like India but oddly there's no discourse that apps like Koo or Moj propose security risks to the world (mainly because their user base is still largely Indian). Again, be honest that the motives are economical than anything to do with the security of Americans' data. Edited March 21, 2023 by Communion
iknowplaces Posted March 21, 2023 Posted March 21, 2023 52 minutes ago, Karla Cabello said: tiktok needs to end completely all around the globe. all the fake news they propagate should be penalized Fake news will always be present on whatever social media platform is trendy.
#Beautiful Posted March 21, 2023 Posted March 21, 2023 if killing this app is what it takes in order to get back songs longer than 3 minutes with a bridge and a hook then so be it
SimpleKindofLife Posted March 21, 2023 Posted March 21, 2023 I hope it gets banned so labels invest in artists again
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