Ash12345 Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 4 hours ago, as-usual said: I do think she’s misunderstood on medical treatment. She isn’t saying don’t get aids or cancer treatments but that the people being treated need love to get through it. She founded an organisation that brought meals to aids patients when no one else would care for them. when she talks about antidepressants, she’s again not saying don’t take them, or saying some people don’t desperately need them, but that our society, economic climate, and pharmaceutical industry all have a hand in making the situation worse. like she’s advocating for universal healthcare, she’s clearly not anti medicine or anti science. I agree. When I was depressed I went to my university's mental health center to try to have someone to talk things through with and get things off my chest but the psychotherapist was overbooked so she just prescribed me antidepressants, but because it didn't fix the underlying problem, the depression just became anxiety instead so I stopped taking them and had to deal with things on my own before slowly getting better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bethenny Frankel Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 Does anyone think Marianne actually has a chance? This is all just political theatre and I actually like her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
as-usual Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 7 hours ago, Ash12345 said: I agree. When I was depressed I went to my university's mental health center to try to have someone to talk things through with and get things off my chest but the psychotherapist was overbooked so she just prescribed me antidepressants, but because it didn't fix the underlying problem, the depression just became anxiety instead so I stopped taking them and had to deal with things on my own before slowly getting better. Yeah, I’ve had a similar experience with my GP. Except, despite multiple visits and different anti depressants prescribed, they never made me a referral for the counselling I requested and would have preferred. Because the system is so overrun in the UK by our conservative government deliberately underfunding it. I eventually had talk therapy from a local charity and it changed my life forever. Antidepressants are amazing, genuinely life saving medical advancements. But like all medicines, they don’t work for every patient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Headlock Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 13 hours ago, Communion said: Sis, this is you trying to dodge. Just because you convinced yourself thst you voted for the lesser evil in a general election doesn't mean you're free from the ramifications of still choosing that evil. Again, why should people who didn't pick any candidate in 2020's presidential election who vowed to block universal healthcare view your concerns as genuine? Also, "not Biden in the primaries" is doing a lot of heavy lifting given there's only one correct option in 2016 and 2020 if you support universal healthcare. Sis no T no shade but didn't you end up voting for Clinton in 2016? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Communion Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Headlock said: Sis no T no shade but didn't you end up voting for Clinton in 2016? Of course. And I know that you keep tabs and thus also know that's why I didn't vote for Biden to stop Trump in 2020 and won't be voting for him either in 2024 even if he goes up against DeSantis or Trump. Whether or not I voted for Clinton against Trump in 2016 would only be relevant if I was telling that user: You did one thing once, and thus you can't have the opportunity to make it right or change your mind. (Clinton also had the political acumen to at least lie to Sanders supporters and say "yes, I wanna get to M4A"; Biden's "I'd veto M4A" moment still remains one of the worst unforced political errors in modern elections) (I'd also agree with someone who voted Green in 2016 + 2020 + 2024 that they have the right to view me - who got conned into voting for Clinton in 2016 - as naive for thinking Williamson could move Biden to the left and wouldn't shame them for rejecting the idea of participating with Dems. There are indeed many people who have fully rejected the idea that Democrats can be progressive, and I'm not sure I disagree w/ them.) That would be a silly stance for me to have and to present to that user with given that Williamson herself has been given grace for being unsure of Medicare For All in 2020 to now being supportive of it post-Sanders' loss. The issue comes in continuing unconditional support for Democrats while trying to frame one's self as a progressive. And without sounding like I'm somehow hyperfocusing on that user - my post is intended *at* them, and thus not something you can extrapolate anything general from. I mean it pointedly, ie: "I've been on this forum now with you [them] two election cycles, going on three, and the claims are not adding up." Which is why my ire isn't aimed at people barely in-tune with politics, naively being like "well maybe I'll vote for Biden in 2024 cause Trump is scary". It's towards politically active, hyper-partisan Dems who knowingly go: 2016: "Yes, of course I consider myself a progressive, but I don't support those progressives." 2018: "Yes, of course I consider myself a progressive, but I don't support those progressives." 2020: "Yes, of course I consider myself a progressive, but I don't support those progressives." 2022: "Yes, of course I consider myself a progressive, but I don't support those progressives." So when I see that kind of user, with that kind of history, shamelessly running cover for establishment Democrats while still trying to dishonestly claim progressive bonafides, I'm going to do everything I can to make the act of running cover miserable and difficult, including holding them to task. Again, I'd have no issue with that user if they were just straight up like other supporters of establishment Dems and just said "I support Biden because [insert nonsense about being electable, socialism being scary, etc.]. It's the dishonesty in trying to co-opt progressivism while materially, intentionally sabotaging it. Edited March 21, 2023 by Communion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaggedGalaxy Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 7 hours ago, Bethenny Frankel said: Does anyone think Marianne actually has a chance? This is all just political theatre and I actually like her. I mean Bernie came out of nowhere and became a force in the primaries, she could do the same with his message especially if she is the only challenger and people want someone other than Biden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flanders Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 13 hours ago, suburbannature said: Please, the way that's the exact opposite of what happened and the other user has resorted to personal attacks, fantasy-writing, ignoring replies, and employment of a half dozen logical fallacies. I don't find it surprising that you'd contort reality that way. dddd this failed out of context attempt at a drag. put more effort in my love this is just sad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zasderfght Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 18 hours ago, suburbannature said: She's campy fun, but she's said some troubling things. On AIDS: Prayer vs. medical treatment Blames stigma around depression on medicine She's entertaining, sure, but not someone we need in office. THIS. She's fine on an SNL skit, but as 47th president? Absolutely not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClashAndBurn Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 2 minutes ago, TaggedGalaxy said: I mean Bernie came out of nowhere and became a force in the primaries, she could do the same with his message especially if she is the only challenger and people want someone other than Biden Bernie wasn’t against an incumbent, but an unpopular entitled politician who had the field cleared for her ahead of time, kind of similarly to what’s been happening with Elissa Slotkin in the Michigan senate race literally ongoing right now. Marianne didn’t break through last time when the field was open. And with the Democratic Party all but ensuring there will never be an actual primary against an incumbent ever again after what happened to Jimmy Carter in 1980, it’s not really possible for Marianne to have any better luck this time around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunUpDoneUp Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 So Marianne is both so irrelevant she should hang it up BUT also so dangerous she's basically a republican? Can establishment democrats please pretend to be coherent. Anyone that goes on fox news and speaks to the town idiots is aways doing a good thing when they come out better than the pundit does. Unlike biden, Marianne doesn't give concessions for no returns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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