vuelve88 Posted March 18, 2023 Posted March 18, 2023 Yawn. The presidential election is going to be a nightmare.
ATRL Moderator Azulito Posted March 18, 2023 ATRL Moderator Posted March 18, 2023 Marianne Williamson 2024
Brando Posted March 18, 2023 Posted March 18, 2023 Very true. The left completely lost their mind. Their craziness drives the right further away. So we end up with two absolutely batsh*t crazy sides who can't and won't hear each other.
Trent W Posted March 18, 2023 Posted March 18, 2023 Just now, Brando said: Very true. The left completely lost their mind. Their craziness drives the right further away. So we end up with two absolutely batsh*t crazy sides who can't and won't hear each other. I completely agree with this. The crazier the left gets, the more aggressive the right gets We need balance not extremes.
Peroxide Posted March 18, 2023 Posted March 18, 2023 3 minutes ago, Brando said: Very true. The left completely lost their mind. Their craziness drives the right further away. So we end up with two absolutely batsh*t crazy sides who can't and won't hear each other. 2 minutes ago, Trent W said: I completely agree with this. The crazier the left gets, the more aggressive the right gets We need balance not extremes. So… wanting the rich to pay their fair share / caring about the environment… uplifting those that have the least in our society are “extreme” positions? Break down literally any policy that Bernie Sanders advocates for… all of them sound completely sensible. The “far” left is in no way comparable to the far right.
Thickorita Posted March 18, 2023 Posted March 18, 2023 We need balance... like Manchin and Sinema, the two people blocking any policy that would reverse his abysmal polling figures?
Brando Posted March 18, 2023 Posted March 18, 2023 3 minutes ago, Peroxide said: So… wanting the rich to pay their fair share / caring about the environment… uplifting those that have the least in our society are “extreme” positions? Break down literally any policy that Bernie Sanders advocates for… all of them sound completely sensible. The “far” left is in no way comparable to the far right. Ye of course you can nitpick a few of the good left ideas (which i support) and then say "we only want sensible things" as if there aren't absolute lunatics on the left advocating the most bizzare things in the world day in and day out that puts most people away from left in general.
Trent W Posted March 18, 2023 Posted March 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, Peroxide said: So… wanting the rich to pay their fair share / caring about the environment… uplifting those that have the least in our society are “extreme” positions? Break down literally any policy that Bernie Sanders advocates for… all of them sound completely sensible. The “far” left is in no way comparable to the far right. The environment is a liberal characteristic, not a far left one, like almost all people are pro-environment. The far-left is more associated these days with communism and the 4000 genres people make up every day.
Cruel Summer Posted March 18, 2023 Posted March 18, 2023 What a deeply uninformed - well, not uninformed, he knows its a malicious lie - thing for this establishment mouthpiece to say. The Democrats will drag us all straight to corporate hell with them as they do nothing meaningful to combat Republicans and right-wing extremism, screeching **** about the "extremes on BOTH sides!! " until it's too late to do anything and we're paying a $30 month subscription fee for oxygen privileges in a decomposed, rotted world where LGBT+ individuals, POC, and women have less rights than a paper sack. But tell me more about how wanting universal healthcare, fair taxes on billionaires, living wages, and action on things like climate change is "extremism," Joey!
meangreen11 Posted March 18, 2023 Posted March 18, 2023 8 minutes ago, Peroxide said: So… wanting the rich to pay their fair share / caring about the environment… uplifting those that have the least in our society are “extreme” positions? Break down literally any policy that Bernie Sanders advocates for… all of them sound completely sensible. The “far” left is in no way comparable to the far right. Let's not pretend for a second that any of that is what is driving the far-right. It's the gender issue, period. The moment the far-left started insisting on including pronouns in introductions and changing everyday language for Neo-pronouns, they became a farce. Telling someone they are suddenly using their native language wrong creates a block you cannot easily get past.
Thickorita Posted March 18, 2023 Posted March 18, 2023 Just now, Trent W said: The environment is a liberal characteristic, not a far left one, like almost all people are pro-environment. The far-left is more associated these days with communism and the 4000 genres people make up every day. This you? https://classic.atrl.net/forums/showthread.php?p=18805537#18805537 Better "far-left" than a right-wing racist.
Vermillion Posted March 18, 2023 Posted March 18, 2023 I’m sick of empty rhetoric from Biden and people in this thread on what they don’t support to avoid being called out and avoid accountability. So many economic and cultural terms in the last decade have lost all meaning as they’re now applied in an attempt to shut down arguments to things they had little to nothing to do with originally. ”Cancel culture”, “communism”, “woke”. Like, please. Asking billionaires to pay more in taxes is not class warfare when the next child that could cure cancer is dying in an understaffed hospital for a state that still hasn’t passed Medicaid expansion and the former just bought their fifth yacht they’ll never use. The number of trans kids on hormone therapy, not surgery which isn’t legal, is in the thousands, not millions according to some alt-right pundits, unless you don’t believe they have a right to stop the puberty process because we’re not supposed to ‘believe’ them prior to puberty at which point its too late for many with suicidal ideation. If you don’t believe trans folks have the right to exist, just say so. The list goes on.
The Next Day Posted March 18, 2023 Posted March 18, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, meangreen11 said: Let's not pretend for a second that any of that is what is driving the far-right. It's the gender issue, period. The moment the far-left started insisting on including pronouns in introductions and changing everyday language for Neo-pronouns, they became a farce. Telling someone they are suddenly using their native language wrong creates a block you cannot easily get past. I didn't know Republicans invented racism, sexism, homophopia, transphobia, xenophobia, scientist-denialism and all the other -isms in response to the discourse around neo-pronouns. Edited March 18, 2023 by The Next Day
Trent W Posted March 18, 2023 Posted March 18, 2023 7 minutes ago, Thickorita said: This you? https://classic.atrl.net/forums/showthread.php?p=18805537#18805537 Better "far-left" than a right-wing racist. Why are you acting like I posted that mess? Everyone knows I was a Beyonce hater back when I joined as a teen, and I co-signed everything that was shade towards her. I already grew up. That was off-topic so I reported you. Anyway, the far-left and far-right are pure garbage, in fact the entire political spectrum is. I don’t know how some of you can “stan” politicians when they are disgusted and using you for their personal interests.
meangreen11 Posted March 18, 2023 Posted March 18, 2023 4 minutes ago, The Next Day said: I didn't know Republicans invented racism, sexism, homophopia, transphobia, xenophobia, scientist-denialism and all the other -isms in response to the discourse around neo-pronouns. Didn't say that. It's what dialed it up to the point it is now. They'd just begun to even tolerate the thought of gays and lesbians and this new movement scared them away. It's a marathon, not a sprint, and they got pushed to be too progressive too quickly. Now they're reverting course and passing anti-LGBT measures with enthusiasm because they're scared.
Reginald Posted March 18, 2023 Posted March 18, 2023 These Centrists exist to guarantee that NOTHING ever changes, and systemic white supremacy remains in place until we die. I don't want that future.
Lara Croft Posted March 18, 2023 Posted March 18, 2023 13 minutes ago, Reginald said: These Centrists exist to guarantee that NOTHING ever changes, and systemic white supremacy remains in place until we die. I don't want that future. But we currently have the most diverse, liberal cast and crew in the White House in the history of America! How’s that going for dismantling systemic white supremacy?
meangreen11 Posted March 18, 2023 Posted March 18, 2023 15 minutes ago, Lara Croft said: But we currently have the most diverse, liberal cast and crew in the White House in the history of America! How’s that going for dismantling systemic white supremacy? Exactly! It's moving more slowly than some want it to, but it IS moving. As much as the far-left wants to just flip a switch and suddenly everyone is accepted and valued with no strings attached and no backlash, that just is NOT going to happen. You have to take small victories and keep pushing forward steadily, even if it takes longer. We are now further back than we were a few years ago.
The Next Day Posted March 18, 2023 Posted March 18, 2023 (edited) 50 minutes ago, meangreen11 said: Didn't say that. It's what dialed it up to the point it is now. They'd just begun to even tolerate the thought of gays and lesbians and this new movement scared them away. It's a marathon, not a sprint, and they got pushed to be too progressive too quickly. Now they're reverting course and passing anti-LGBT measures with enthusiasm because they're scared. So it's the fault of the minorities that the Republicans are doing their best to oppress them? "We were starting to tolerate (not accept) your existence, but you talking about gender made us so uncomfortable that we will threaten you if you publicly display any non-heterosexual lifestyle. Oh and muslims can go **** themselves too." Republicans are very scared, that I'll agree with. But that's not the problem of the "non-conforming" (non-white, non-heterosexual) people who just want to exist in peace like everyone else. If you're attacked for being who you are, do you let them beat you up (cause you're afraid they'll beat you up even harder if you fight back and hopefully they'll see that this is wrong someday) or do you defend yourself? Edited March 18, 2023 by The Next Day
Peroxide Posted March 18, 2023 Posted March 18, 2023 1 hour ago, Brando said: Ye of course you can nitpick a few of the good left ideas (which i support) and then say "we only want sensible things" as if there aren't absolute lunatics on the left advocating the most bizzare things in the world day in and day out that puts most people away from left in general. List all the things the “far left / progressives “ are advocating for which are harmful - now tally that list up with the far right…
Peroxide Posted March 18, 2023 Posted March 18, 2023 1 hour ago, meangreen11 said: Let's not pretend for a second that any of that is what is driving the far-right. It's the gender issue, period. The moment the far-left started insisting on including pronouns in introductions and changing everyday language for Neo-pronouns, they became a farce. Telling someone they are suddenly using their native language wrong creates a block you cannot easily get past. The gender / sexuality debate has been a left vs right talking point since forever… it’s only since trans people started to get a little attention they decided to make it a major issue. You are focusing on a micro issue that impacts less than 1% of the population, that being said people getting their knickers in a twist over inclusive language or just simply acknowledge the fact NB people exist is high-key bizarre. Let’s look at all the other issues / stances the far left advocates for. Being a single issue voter never leads to anything fruitful… especially when that “issue” centres around making trans people boogie men… which will inevitably come back to haunt the rest of the queer community.
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