Vermillion Posted March 17, 2023 Posted March 17, 2023 And Xi's meeting with him in just days I realize the meeting was already pre-planned but...whew, lot to unpack here. Whether it's equivalent is ultimately irrelevant and none of the parties will be "responsible", and I don't even know what that means here beyond poor symbolism, but much like the UN Security Council, and much like the ICC's actions regarding US troops in Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Yemen, etc., nothing's going to happen here. If this gets a thread then I'll do the other one re: Turkey I guess...
anti-bitch Posted March 17, 2023 Posted March 17, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Espresso said: And Xi's meeting with him in just days I realize the meeting was already pre-planned but...whew, lot to unpack here. Whether it's equivalent is ultimately irrelevant and none of the parties will be "responsible", and I don't even know what that means here beyond poor symbolism, but much like the UN Security Council, and much like the ICC's actions regarding US troops in Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Yemen, etc., nothing's going to happen here. If this gets a thread then I'll do the other one re: Turkey I guess... Of course this gets a thread. And someone should explain that what jurisdiction, if any, the ICC has over Russia. And how is this different from the Nuremberg trials? Edited March 17, 2023 by anti-bitch
Tusk Posted March 17, 2023 Posted March 17, 2023 Who’s going to walk into the Kremlin and arrest him? Jack Ryan?
Vermillion Posted March 17, 2023 Posted March 17, 2023 18 minutes ago, anti-***** said: Of course this gets a thread. And someone should explain that what jurisdiction, if any, the ICC has over Russia. And how is this different from the Nuremberg trials? The mods have been stingy in the past given the Ukraine thread which was formerly a sticky and which is the only reason I brought it up. And the ICC is a vastly different entity from the Nuremberg trials. I'm not even sure where to start as I don't have the energy to go down the links rabbit hole at the moment. But imho this is pure symbolism.
anti-bitch Posted March 17, 2023 Posted March 17, 2023 8 minutes ago, Espresso said: The mods have been stingy in the past given the Ukraine thread which was formerly a sticky and which is the only reason I brought it up. And the ICC is a vastly different entity from the Nuremberg trials. I'm not even sure where to start as I don't have the energy to go down the links rabbit hole at the moment. But imho this is pure symbolism. I guess it would really require something like the Nuremberg trials/ International Military Tribunal to get Putin and his administration in prison.
Vermillion Posted March 17, 2023 Posted March 17, 2023 Just now, anti-***** said: I guess it would really require something like the Nuremberg trials/ International Military Tribunal to get Putin and his administration in prison. Russia transitions to be monthly president of the UN Security Council for April I'm all for symbolism, even if its empty pageantry, but here it just focuses attention on how useless all of these entities are, and still, nothing changes
ClashAndBurn Posted March 17, 2023 Posted March 17, 2023 23 minutes ago, anti-***** said: Of course this gets a thread. And someone should explain that what jurisdiction, if any, the ICC has over Russia. And how is this different from the Nuremberg trials? First of all, to get Putin arrested and to stand for a tribunal for his war crimes, you'd have to invade Russia, take Moscow, and count on them not using nukes as a last resort to trigger mutually-assured destruction and take the entire rest of the world with him. The ICC has no credibility either, given that they've not issued warrants for the arrests of Bush (Iraq invasion), Obama or Trump (for their numerous drone strikes). The US even has a law on the books triggering an invasion of The Hague if any of their military personnel or politicians are ever charged and imprisoned by the ICC for war crimes. It's actually a joke of an institution.
nadiamendell Posted March 17, 2023 Posted March 17, 2023 15 minutes ago, airplane said: Good luck with that arrest you speak of He will be placed in the same imaginary jail cell Trump is currently rotting in.
Vermillion Posted March 17, 2023 Posted March 17, 2023 5 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: First of all, to get Putin arrested and to stand for a tribunal for his war crimes, you'd have to invade Russia, take Moscow, and count on them not using nukes as a last resort to trigger mutually-assured destruction and take the entire rest of the world with him. The ICC has no credibility either, given that they've not issued warrants for the arrests of Bush (Iraq invasion), Obama or Trump (for their numerous drone strikes). The US even has a law on the books triggering an invasion of The Hague if any of their military personnel or politicians are ever charged and imprisoned by the ICC for war crimes. It's actually a joke of an institution. Great summary of my thoughts and I co-sign
Velvet Night Posted March 17, 2023 Posted March 17, 2023 It’s obviously symbolic but ngl it feels really good to see news like this.
Sazare Posted March 17, 2023 Posted March 17, 2023 1 hour ago, family.guy123 said: Shaking in his boots I’m sure Doesn’t he have Parkinson’s? He probably is tbh
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