LittleStarmen Posted March 17, 2023 Posted March 17, 2023 It only took years to reveal the date it should have been revealed 2 years ago. sure jan that wasn't made up
qurl Posted March 17, 2023 Posted March 17, 2023 so it’s from people eating raccoons and/or dogs ?????
Contessa Posted March 17, 2023 Posted March 17, 2023 Of course ppl on here without single scientific training gonna believe conspiracy theories when more plausible explanations like these that do not fit with their narratives get brushed off or called a hoax
ClashAndBurn Posted March 17, 2023 Posted March 17, 2023 Really galling how lab leak is a "racist conspiracy theory" and beyond the pale while Asian people eating dogs leading to disease is somehow not. 1 hour ago, Contessa said: Of course ppl on here without single scientific training gonna believe conspiracy theories when more plausible explanations like these that do not fit with their narratives get brushed off or called a hoax How is this any more plausible than lab leak? This SCREAMS Fauci putting out disinformation to deflect scrutiny of the failures of his pet gain-of-function projects.
Riot Posted March 17, 2023 Posted March 17, 2023 (edited) And the poor bats got all the blame Edited March 17, 2023 by Riot
Vermillion Posted March 17, 2023 Posted March 17, 2023 The well was tainted permanently and early in terms of narrative setting for politics on all sides with Trump’s early days of “kung-flu”, the CCP officially blocking the WHO, and Dr. Fauci avoiding any accountability for flat-out lying about encouraging the restarting of gain-of-function research during the Obama administration. Also seeing arguments that both the animal transmission and lab leak theories could be seen as xenophobic. But xenophobia’s also been weaponized to shut down many conversations on this topic. I’m tired. So, forgive me, and more data is always helpful given we’re now incapable of anything conclusive, but I’m weary and annoyed by most of these new ‘developments’. Whatever a ‘reckoning’ or ‘accountability’ looks like - no one seems capable of it at this point or in my lifetime. No one.
ClashAndBurn Posted March 17, 2023 Posted March 17, 2023 32 minutes ago, Espresso said: The well was tainted permanently and early in terms of narrative setting for politics on all sides with Trump’s early days of “kung-flu”, the CCP officially blocking the WHO, and Dr. Fauci avoiding any accountability for flat-out lying about encouraging the restarting of gain-of-function research during the Obama administration. Also seeing arguments that both the animal transmission and lab leak theories could be seen as xenophobic. But xenophobia’s also been weaponized to shut down many conversations on this topic. I’m tired. So, forgive me, and more data is always helpful given we’re now incapable of anything conclusive, but I’m weary and annoyed by most of these new ‘developments’. Whatever a ‘reckoning’ or ‘accountability’ looks like - no one seems capable of it at this point or in my lifetime. No one. The point on both theories being xenophobic is to illustrate how ridiculous the notion is. The idea that Chinese people contracting the virus from their "uncivilized" eating habits is a less racist origin than the idea that someone carelessly walked out of a laboratory carrying a modified pathogen whose research was funded by the UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT and the implication of Anthony Fauci having direct involvement himself is an absolute joke.
Vermillion Posted March 17, 2023 Posted March 17, 2023 8 minutes ago, ClashAndBurn said: The point on both theories being xenophobic is to illustrate how ridiculous the notion is. The idea that Chinese people contracting the virus from their "uncivilized" eating habits is a less racist origin than the idea that someone carelessly walked out of a laboratory carrying a modified pathogen whose research was funded by the UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT and the implication of Anthony Fauci having direct involvement himself is an absolute joke. Getting into the weeds for Fauci's hearing fights with Rand Paul, Fauci is technically accurate re: EcoHealth Alliance as a roundabout excuse regarding the grant by the U.S. government, but that debate becomes a larger distraction I frankly don't care about at this point from the conversation which he STILL hasn't answered questions on which is his lifting the blockade on gain-of-function research generally, regardless of which country is doing it that he still has influence over.
Bang Up Posted March 17, 2023 Posted March 17, 2023 1 hour ago, ClashAndBurn said: The point on both theories being xenophobic is to illustrate how ridiculous the notion is. The idea that Chinese people contracting the virus from their "uncivilized" eating habits is a less racist origin than the idea that someone carelessly walked out of a laboratory carrying a modified pathogen whose research was funded by the UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT and the implication of Anthony Fauci having direct involvement himself is an absolute joke. You going full-on right winger is so funny. --- Didn't know raccoon dogs were a thing and I'm kind of obsessed with them. So cute. This makes perfect sense considering a huge number of viruses come from animals. People have just convinced themselves to the point they don't want to admit they're wrong.
ClashAndBurn Posted March 17, 2023 Posted March 17, 2023 9 minutes ago, Bang Up said: You going full-on right winger is so funny. --- Didn't know raccoon dogs were a thing and I'm kind of obsessed with them. So cute. This makes perfect sense considering a huge number of viruses come from animals. People have just convinced themselves to the point they don't want to admit they're wrong. Being skeptical of the failures like Fauci who is on record as a certified liar and helped engineer the disastrous pandemic response is right-wing? It's clear that liberals like you just want so desperately for it not to be a man-made disaster, the simplest explanation given that there is LITERALLY A VIRAL RESEARCH LAB IN WUHAN because you don't want your hero to be held accountable for lobbying to have US-funded gain-of-function research be brought back online (and, again, lying about it).
Vermillion Posted March 17, 2023 Posted March 17, 2023 The Chinese withheld data from the W.H.O. for the lab leak theory too, so we're back where we started
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