celeb news Sam Smith to perform in Isreal

[Yog]

9 minutes ago, Ms. Togekiss said:

So only because we don’t live there we cannot spread awareness of the atrocities being committed and how there’s people (usually white queers) that still don’t care? Do you realize the extent of your stupidity just to defend certified garbage human being Sam Smith? 
 

you’re literally proving the point  imagine saying what you said with your whole chest to defend Sam smith of all things 

And I keep telling you and I’m not defending them, I have already said MULTIPLE times they need to cancel  do you not read? 
 

Why is Sam getting the pinnacle of the backlash, Robbie Williams is getting zero backlash on social media..

Edited March 14, 2023 by Yog

[Luckitty]

Disgusting POS

 

and people trying to normalize performing in an apartheid need to go to hell

[Katy V.!]

ATRL serving human rights council, as expected. 

[Jjang]

2 hours ago, Miichael said:

The way you are literally barefaced lying  Nothing new from you, but definitely a whole new low to use genocide to lie about a pop girl you dislike.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/lady-gaga-world-is-wrong-about-israel/amp/

[Freakshowvato]

1 hour ago, More Than A Melody said:

Is this organized by the Israeli estate or by a private contractor? That makes a difference for me. If you're performing for the government of the terrible country, then yeah, you're disgusting. If you're performing for the fans then I don't really see the issue with performing anywhere. Israel, Russia, China, Turkey, etc. It gets trickier when it's principalities like Dubai where the government basically controls everything, but I don't think that's the case for Israel, correct me if I'm wrong?

The only difference is those fans are occupying native land and supporting an apartheid actively just by existing on that land. Literally serving in the IDF military is a requirement of being a citizen. This can be valid if the citizens are innocent and harmless. Not actively profiting off an apartheid and racism, like the laws of the country literally discriminate and segregate Palestinians in their own land.

[Killer Love]

6 hours ago, Dephira said:

You mean like every musical artist in existence? 

Exactly this  lol 

 

 

 

Like Madonna, Elthon John, Rihanna, Britney, Sia, JLo, Michael Jackson, Bieber, Maluma, Mariah, Maroon 5, Timberlake, Gaga, and even artists like Iggy Azalea, Kelis, Azealia Banks and many many more. and like every other artist on this planet 

 

Over 100 comments? On what? 

No one cares about palestine outside of some ATRL/twitter users 

Edited March 14, 2023 by Killer Love

[More Than A Melody]

1 minute ago, Freakshowvato said:

The only difference is those fans are occupying native land and supporting an apartheid actively just by existing on that land. Literally serving in the IDF military is a requirement of being a citizen. This can be valid if the citizens are innocent and harmless. Not actively profiting off an apartheid and racism, like the laws of the country literally discriminate and segregate Palestinians in their own land.

This is short-sighted. People can't help where they're born and not everyone has the resources to just up and leave their country. Sure, some of them can, but grabbing all of your belongings and migrating somewhere else, away from your entire family, and starting anew isn't exactly easy. We can support the Palestinian cause and actively fight for it without demonizing every single person born in Israel who doesn't flee as soon as they're an adult.

 

What you're proposing, demonizing everyone is the kind of extremism that makes causes impossible. As if the Palestine-Israel conflict wasn't hard enough to get people to support, you're now taking it further by acting like people who were simply born there are as culpable as the estate and its supporters.

[Freakshowvato]

Just now, More Than A Melody said:

This is short-sighted. People can't help where they're born and not everyone has the resources to just up and leave their country. Sure, some of them can, but grabbing all of your belongings and migrating somewhere else, away from your entire family, and starting anew isn't exactly easy. We can support the Palestinian cause and actively fight for it without demonizing every single person born in Israel who doesn't flee as soon as they're an adult.

 

What you're proposing, demonizing everyone is the kind of extremism that makes causes impossible. As if the Palestine-Israel conflict wasn't hard enough to get people to support, you're now taking it further by acting like people who were simply born there are as culpable as the estate and its supporters.

There are people moving there everyday from the USA and around the world, so again your argument itself is shortsighted. I would support a two state solution so it is not extreme. But the system right now has the citizens just as culpable as the government in an apartheid.

[More Than A Melody]

Just now, Freakshowvato said:

There are people moving there everyday from the USA and around the world, so again your argument itself is shortsighted. I would support a two state solution so it is not extreme. But the system right now has the citizens just as culpable as the government in an apartheid.

And those people are dicks, but most people who live in Israel were born there. I'm simply saying that performing in a "bad" country is only inherently bad if the concert is organized by the estate. If it isn't, then we can have another conversation. I can't tell if the concert is organized by Israel or a private.

 

I don't know that I support a two state solution. I think the first step is stopping the occupation. Then returning the stolen land per the initial agreement (so essentially, up until this point, a two state solution). But I don't think it's where it should end. I just think it's where it should begin. You can't go from the current situation to just giving the land to Palestine (and it's never gonna happen), but it's clear at this point, that coexisting is impossible, and rightfully, Israel shouldn't exist, if we get technical.

 

What to do with all those people? I don't know. The UN can solve it. They can live in Palestine or go back to where their grandparents came from before Israel was created, I guess.

[Abracadabra]

7 minutes ago, Jjang said:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/lady-gaga-world-is-wrong-about-israel/amp/

So at first you claim she tweeted about Israel before her show there because it was "flopping", and now you link to an article that shows her commenting on Israel being a beautiful place AFTER her show and nothing to do with Twitter...?

 

If you had bothered to actually know what you are talking about, you would see that The Times of Israel report these "quotes" from her interview with The Telegraph, yet when you actually look at her interview with The Telegraph, those quotes do not exist.

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/features/lady-gaga-interview-i-got-really-lost-for-a-while-i-didn-t-even-know-who-i-was-anymore-9758412.html

So it appears that not only are you dumb enough to believe misinformation, you are also dumb enough to spread it.

 

Please next time do not try to use genocide to spread lies about a pop singer, it's unbelievably disrespectful to victims of genocide, and extremely pathetic and embarrassing for you  And before you lecture anyone on comments about Israel (fictitious or not), worry about your own fave who has performed in Israel several times, shown them support, and even wrote a song proclaiming "I will be Israel, if they are incarcerated", you pandering hypocrite.

[Bones]

I live in Israel and it’s just so gay here

[Jjang]

18 minutes ago, Miichael said:

So at first you claim she tweeted about Israel before her show there because it was "flopping", and now you link to an article that shows her commenting on Israel being a beautiful place AFTER her show and nothing to do with Twitter...?

 

If you had bothered to actually know what you are talking about, you would see that The Times of Israel report these "quotes" from her interview with The Telegraph, yet when you actually look at her interview with The Telegraph, those quotes do not exist.

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/features/lady-gaga-interview-i-got-really-lost-for-a-while-i-didn-t-even-know-who-i-was-anymore-9758412.html

So it appears that not only are you dumb enough to believe misinformation, you are also dumb enough to spread it.

 

Please next time do not try to use genocide to spread lies about a pop singer, it's unbelievably disrespectful to victims of genocide, and extremely pathetic and embarrassing for you  And before you lecture anyone on comments about Israel (fictitious or not), worry about your own fave who has performed in Israel several times, shown them support, and even wrote a song proclaiming "I will be Israel, if they are incarcerated", you pandering hypocrite.

https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/lady-gaga-israel-comments-6266598/amp/

 

She’s not an idiot. Both her and her team were very aware of the attempts to get her to cancel the show in solidarity with Palestinians, there was news about it, even BDS condemned her. Despite that she chose to move on with her show one month after a genocide and released that statement to the world. She could have made another statement but she didn’t. 

 

 

Not gonna address the personal insults. The only one projecting hate and false assumptions here is you. Check yourself. 

Edited March 14, 2023 by Jjang

[wehan6]

that's disappointing 

[Abracadabra]

Just now, Jjang said:

https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/lady-gaga-israel-comments-6266598/amp/

 

She’s not an idiot. Both her and her team very aware of the attempts to get her to cancel to show in solidarity with Palestinians, there was news about it, even BDS condemned her. Despite that she chose move on with her show one month after a genocide and release that statement to the world. She could have made another statement but she didn’t. 

 

 

Not gonna address the personal insults. The only one projecting hate and false assumptions here is you. Check yourself. 

So you continue to post the false quotes that were reported, despite you literally being shown the original article, where those quotes are nowhere to be seen  You could have just admitted you were wrong, but I guess that's too difficult for you to do.

 

And nobody's insulting you, I'm letting you know about yourself. You are a liar and a hypocrite, as proven in this thread, yet you are still desperately trying to salvage your attempt at lying that was already debunked and destroyed.

 

I encourage you to learn something from this so you won't embarrass yourself like this again in the future. Best wishes.

 

 

[PoisonPill]

Wow, I used to think that the conflict in the Middle East was a complex, nuanced issue with no easy answers that involves centuries of history. But today I learned from ATRL that it's extremely simple and black-and-white, thank you all for the clarity

 

 

Edited March 14, 2023 by PoisonPill

[More Than A Melody]

10 minutes ago, Miichael said:

So you continue to post the false quotes that were reported, despite you literally being shown the original article, where those quotes are nowhere to be seen  You could have just admitted you were wrong, but I guess that's too difficult for you to do.

 

And nobody's insulting you, I'm letting you know about yourself. You are a liar and a hypocrite, as proven in this thread, yet you are still desperately trying to salvage your attempt at lying that was already debunked and destroyed.

 

I encourage you to learn something from this so you won't embarrass yourself like this again in the future. Best wishes.

 

 

Once again, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Times Of Israel do this a lot? Fabricate quotes from popular celebrities supporting Israel? I mean, Gaga did perform there, so she could've said that, but I feel like I read about them doing that with other artists

[Gwendolyn]

Are people here trying to justify human ethic cleansing because one country pinkwashes better than other.. there is LGBT Palestinians and they deserve a country to live in. 

[Jjang]

8 minutes ago, Miichael said:

So you continue to post the false quotes that were reported, despite you literally being shown the original article, where those quotes are nowhere to be seen  You could have just admitted you were wrong, but I guess that's too difficult for you to do.

 

And nobody's insulting you, I'm letting you know about yourself. You are a liar and a hypocrite, as proven in this thread, yet you are still desperately trying to salvage your attempt at lying that was already debunked and destroyed.

 

I encourage you to learn something from this so you won't embarrass yourself like this again in the future. Best wishes.

 

It seems like you’re in denial and trying to wrestle with the truth. Not on my expense though. 

 

That statement wasn’t even initiated by Times of Israel, it was reported beforehand. So seems like you’re caught in a little lie youraelf.

 

NME for example: 

 

https://www.nme.com/news/music/lady-gaga-79-1245912

 

 

Why would all these trusted publications suddenly create a very specific fake quote and if they did why didn’t she say anything to combat it to clarify things? Like, as if performing after one of the most tragic genocides in recent memory is not tone deaf enough mam. 

 

Secondly, it’s disgusting of you to obnoxiously assume that I’m stating this out of some petty stan war game when I’m Palestinian myself who have been terribly affected by it myself. I have hundreds, if not a thousand posts here on Palestine (and some of them include me dragging Madonna, too!) and none of them mention your precious fave. Sorry this one triggered you to become so hateful tho! 

 

Best wishes! 

 

[Bloodflowers.]

Israel about to experience a mid concert

[Abracadabra]

5 minutes ago, More Than A Melody said:

Once again, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Times Of Israel do this a lot? Fabricate quotes from popular celebrities supporting Israel? I mean, Gaga did perform there, so she could've said that, but I feel like I read about them doing that with other artists

I'm not sure if they have done it before, but it wouldn't surprise me. It's just a shame that some people can't admit when they have been fooled rather than go on to spread misinformation.

[Embustera]

Disgusting

[Abracadabra]

9 minutes ago, Jjang said:

It seems like you’re in denial and trying to wrestle with the truth. Not on my expense though. 

 

That statement wasn’t even initiated by Times of Israel, it was reported beforehand. So seems like you’re caught in a little lie youraelf.

 

NME for example: 

 

https://www.nme.com/news/music/lady-gaga-79-1245912

 

 

Why would all these trusted publications suddenly create a very specific fake quote and if they did why didn’t she say anything to combat it to clarify things? Like, as if performing after one of the most tragic genocides in recent memory is not tone deaf enough mam. 

 

Secondly, it’s disgusting of you to obnoxiously assume that I’m stating this out of some petty stan war game when I’m Palestinian myself who have been terribly affected by it myself. I have hundreds, if not a thousand posts here on Palestine (and some of them include me dragging Madonna, too!) and none of them mention your precious fave. Sorry this one triggered you to become so hateful tho! 

 

Best wishes! 

 

And you just keep going, continuing to spread false reported quotes despite literally being linked the original article 

 

Nobody is triggered, I'm simply pointing out your lies and total hypocrisy, and you don't like it. You expected that you would just be able to post lies and nobody would point it out but unfortunately for you that didn't happen. It's completely fair enough if you want to criticise an artist for performing in Israel, but it's not okay to spread misinformation and then double down on it when it's brought to your attention. It's not okay to use genocide for a petty stan argument (you can backtrack and play dumb all you want, we all know that's what you were doing since you are permanently obsessed with Gaga and never stop hating on her on here). Having said that, I do find it highly ironic that you would criticise artists performing in Israel, meanwhile literally stanning an artist who says "I am Israel",and has no qualms about performing there, although I digress, as your hypocrisy has already been pointed out. But I'll guess you'll tell yourself anything to justify that in your head

 

 

Edited March 14, 2023 by Miichael

[Killer Love]

Where’s Palestine? - doesn’t exist and never will! 😶‍🌫️😶‍🌫️😶‍🌫️😶‍🌫️😶‍🌫️

[Orsay]

this "pinkwashing" phrase in one of the tweets in the OP makes no sense... y'all don't get to make every chain of sounds that pops into your heads into a buzzword  

[Killer Love]

Palestine is like Tinashe.. will never happen! Haha 😆😆