Based off name recognition alone, is Beyonce and Shakira on the same level globally?

[*-ChriZ-*]

1 hour ago, Spartan528 said:

I’m sorry but Single Ladies and Crazy in Love are and never were as big as Hips Don’t Lie and Waka Waka…and may I add Whenever, Wherever to this equation. Sht, even Bizarrap session #53 its bigger than any Beyonce song released in the last 15 years

Nnnn sure.

 

And the sure that started the first International dance craze and is still to this day played at weddings around the globe is not known. Lol

[BeyColombia]

1 hour ago, Spartan528 said:

I’m sorry but Single Ladies and Crazy in Love are and never were as big as Hips Don’t Lie and Waka Waka…and may I add Whenever, Wherever to this equation. Sht, even Bizarrap session #53 its bigger than any Beyonce song released in the last 15 years

Y'll are so delusional that cross the range of being very crazy 

[Moonturn]

People in her still not understanding the idea of this thread.

 

Recognition is not directly related to stats. Let's take Taylor Swift. She has better stats than both Beyonce and Shakira. But she doesn't have the same cultural impact as the later two. If we now made a survey around the globe, more people will recognize Beyonce and Shakira than Taylor Swift. 

 

Another example could be JLo, who, despite not having stellar stats in comparison with other MPGs is very well-known as a person and celebrity. 

 

Both Beyonce and Shakira are within the most well-known artists on a global scale. So let's just celebrate that instead of pitting them against each other when they are literally even friends. 

[FunCoric]

they're both extremely known WW. 

 

I'd say they're the most known females along with rihanna after madonna globally

[Brando]

And how exactly anyone of us individually could assess their name recognition across the globe?

Everyone is gonna come up with some kind of biased story based on their friend circle and their social media circle and project it across the entire planet. 

[supertiffany]

2 hours ago, Moonturn said:

People in her still not understanding the idea of this thread.

 

Recognition is not directly related to stats. Let's take Taylor Swift. She has better stats than both Beyonce and Shakira. But she doesn't have the same cultural impact as the later two. If we now made a survey around the globe, more people will recognize Beyonce and Shakira than Taylor Swift. 

 

Another example could be JLo, who, despite not having stellar stats in comparison with other MPGs is very well-known as a person and celebrity. 

 

Both Beyonce and Shakira are within the most well-known artists on a global scale. So let's just celebrate that instead of pitting them against each other when they are literally even friends. 

this

 

not to mention when you say Taylor not everyone will refer to Swift

[Harrier]

It's a tricky one. One aspect thus far undiscussed is that I think Beyonce has better fame/power/name recognition in Asia than Shakira.

However, due to Shakira's ability to cross language barriers, she has pretty much unmatched fame in the European language-speaking world. Add to that the World Cup stuff and you have Shakira reaching some places Beyonce doesn't.

All in all I think we're splitting hairs. They are both basically as famous as is possible for a singer.

[Trex]

Shakira is much bigger and more relevant 

[Trex]

14 hours ago, *-ChriZ-* said:

Again, Single Ladies and Crazy In Love easily fit the bill as well. People from all corners of the world know these songs

The delusion to think these songs are as global as Waka Waka or Hips Don’t Lie  

[PrudenceHCharmed]

34 minutes ago, Harrier said:

It's a tricky one. One aspect thus far undiscussed is that I think Beyonce has better fame/power/name recognition in Asia than Shakira.

However, due to Shakira's ability to cross language barriers, she has pretty much unmatched fame in the European language-speaking world. Add to that the World Cup stuff and you have Shakira reaching some places Beyonce doesn't.

All in all I think we're splitting hairs. They are both basically as famous as is possible for a singer.

But Beyoncé is bigger in Asia, North America, South Africa & Ocenia. Sure Shakira is huge in Europe, but Beyoncé too is able to sell millions singles/albums/tickets there; Shak was straight up flopping in the US until recently.

 

Her biggest album Laundry sold less than 100k in Japan while Bday sold 400K and Beyonce ever did six dates in Japan and performed for 20K crowds in South Korea. 

[Harrier]

1 minute ago, PrudenceHCharmed said:

But Beyoncé is bigger in Asia, North America, South Africa & Ocenia. Sure Shakira is huge in Europe, but Beyoncé too is able to sell millions singles/albums/tickets there; Shak was straight up flopping in the US until recently.

 

Her biggest album Laundry sold less than 100k in Japan while Bday sold 400K and Beyonce ever did six dates in Japan and performed for 20K crowds in South Korea. 

The question is about name recognition/fame. No one can deny that Beyonce's numbers are way better pretty much across the board, but there are definitely parts of the world where Shakira has reached that Beyonce hasn't because of her international megahits like Hips Don't Lie and Waka Waka.

 

But as I said, I think we are splitting hairs. Both are immeasurably famous

[PrudenceHCharmed]

18 minutes ago, Harrier said:

The question is about name recognition/fame. No one can deny that Beyonce's numbers are way better pretty much across the board, but there are definitely parts of the world where Shakira has reached that Beyonce hasn't because of her international megahits like Hips Don't Lie and Waka Waka.

 

But as I said, I think we are splitting hairs. Both are immeasurably famous

Huh? Beyoncé won't visit Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand, SK, Japan, China, Taiwan, India, Middle East, the Philipines if her name wasn't recognizable. Do you get it? People won't spent their hard earned money to attend a nobody's tour. Shakira is a 'huge' global names but her first three tours didn't visit Asia. The latter three only visited places like India & Middle East; same goes to her album certification which mainly in those two countries. Her last El Dorado tours did 75M; B did 256M solo. 

 

P/s: Dance Monkey was a huge WW smash too so she's well known too? I mean I could stream it on YT but that's about it. 

[Rei]

Beyoncé is local to english speaking countries and Shakira is local to spanish speaking countries so I guess they are on a similar level?

 

K bye for now, Sunshine. <3

[Johnny Cash]

19 hours ago, LuneMon said:

why do people think name recognition means more sales/impressive tour stats?

there are places (like latam) where people like Jlo is more famous than taylor swift and that doesn't mean she is selling more albums than her lol

read the title again 

Touring audiences are less than 1% of the population of any country, yet they keep bringing this up as a stat  truly worms for brains 

 

OT: Shakira is more famous and it's not close 

[Zayka]

Shakira is much bigger worldwide

[kimberly]

so much stupidity mixed with mental illness in this thread 

 

OT: yes, Beyoncé and Shakira are both in the top tier of names people will know everywhere. Single Ladies and Waka Waka world domination.

[Pristine]

On 3/12/2023 at 2:43 PM, vale9001 said:

shakira last album debut

 

Australia 92

Usa 15

italy 12

germany 19

Uk 54

France 9

 

Beyonce

 

Australia 1

Usa 1

italy 2

germany 2

Uk 1

France 1

 

Beyoncè can tour stadiums in South america like Shakira, Shakira can't tour stadium in the Us or Europe. 

 

So it's not like the user is that crazy. 

 

selling stadiums has nothing to do with name recognition, but this not the most stupid posts of yours by any means so we will let it slide sis

[John Slayne]

yes they are both massive and pretty much known by everyone

[PrudenceHCharmed]

4 hours ago, Pristine said:

selling stadiums has nothing to do with name recognition, but this not the most stupid posts of yours by any means so we will let it slide sis

Touring is not, selling albums is not, breaking into Asian and South African market is not. Then what is? 

 

Based on who you auntie is listening to? 

[More Than A Melody]

Shakira's name is bigger, Beyoncé is more commercially successful. This is quite simple, though, because of what they both chose to do with their careers. Beyoncé decided to be anti promo, so outside of releasing music and one or two isolated scandals, she's not a massive topic of conversation. Shakira decided to all but halt her career to move to Spain, but continued having visibility by virtue of doing stuff like The Voice, showing up to red carpets, being on the cover of magazines, etc.

 

I bet if they'd continued the traditional route (releasing music, touring, and promoting, both of them on a semi regular basis), they'd both be equally big on all regards.

[More Than A Melody]

On 3/14/2023 at 12:15 AM, Rei said:

Beyoncé is local to english speaking countries and Shakira is local to spanish speaking countries so I guess they are on a similar level?

 

K bye for now, Sunshine. <3

Neither of these things is true.

[bijonse]

3 minutes ago, More Than A Melody said:

Shakira's name is bigger, Beyoncé is more commercially successful. This is quite simple, though, because of what they both chose to do with their careers. Beyoncé decided to be anti promo, so outside of releasing music and one or two isolated scandals, she's not a massive topic of conversation. Shakira decided to all but halt her career to move to Spain, but continued having visibility by virtue of doing stuff like The Voice, showing up to red carpets, being on the cover of magazines, etc.

 

I bet if they'd continued the traditional route (releasing music, touring, and promoting, both of them on a semi regular basis), they'd both be equally big on all regards.

Nah. They’re in the same realm of fame. Even if you somehow don’t know any Beyoncé or shakira songs you know who they are, y’all are ignoring Beyoncé’s celebrity. The elusiveness you’re talking about with Beyoncé just made it an even bigger deal every time she does something, there’s a reason she’s compared to MJ by most celebs and even his own kids

[More Than A Melody]

1 minute ago, bijonse said:

Nah. They’re in the same realm of fame. Even if you somehow don’t know any Beyoncé or shakira songs you know who they are, y’all are ignoring Beyoncé’s celebrity. The elusiveness you’re talking about with Beyoncé just made it an even bigger deal every time she does something, there’s a reason she’s compared to MJ by most celebs and even his own kids

You're not gonna change my mind, lol. Shakira is more recognizable than Beyoncé, in my opinion. I'm not ignoring Beyoncé's celebrity. She's huge. She's not as big as Shakira, though. And she is more commercially successful. It's not a slight.

[bijonse]

1 minute ago, More Than A Melody said:

You're not gonna change my mind, lol. Shakira is more recognizable than Beyoncé, in my opinion. I'm not ignoring Beyoncé's celebrity. She's huge. She's not as big as Shakira, though. And she is more commercially successful. It's not a slight.

She is arguably bigger than shakira to way more people. I think in celebrity she is only bigger in Latin America even if she’s sold more albums in europe (?) than bey. They do Beyoncé tributes and references everywhere on earth

[More Than A Melody]

2 minutes ago, bijonse said:

She is arguably bigger than shakira to way more people. I think in celebrity she is only bigger in Latin America even if she’s sold more albums in europe (?) than bey. They do Beyoncé tributes and references everywhere on earth

It's great if that's your opinion. I respect it and disagree with it. Is that okay and allowed?