Phaunzie Posted March 15, 2023 Posted March 15, 2023 Hun, Russia takes up majority of the European plate, that is like asking if U.K is European just because it is an island. However unlike the majority of European countries, they never had African slaves.
Mr.Link Posted March 16, 2023 Posted March 16, 2023 3 hours ago, Phaunzie said: However unlike the majority of European countries, they never had African slaves. Because they couldn’t afford to. At the time of the Africa scramble Russia was poor af trying to keep afloat the existing territories they already had seized in Central Asia and Siberia and the population in there didn’t really have much of a choice either. They were de facto colonies living in misery ruled by rich people in St Petersburg who overworked them to death and drained their natural resources.
Pristine Posted March 16, 2023 Posted March 16, 2023 13 hours ago, Phaunzie said: Hun, Russia takes up majority of the European plate, that is like asking if U.K is European just because it is an island. However unlike the majority of European countries, they never had African slaves. and unlike Europe, every single African country had African slaves. stay on topic sis
Phaunzie Posted March 16, 2023 Posted March 16, 2023 5 hours ago, Pristine said: and unlike Europe, every single African country had African slaves. stay on topic sis Hun pls read my comment, because clearly I stayed on topic. The slavery I am referring to is Chattel Slavery, you know the main type of slavery that European and American powers used.
Before Today Posted March 17, 2023 Posted March 17, 2023 Not ideologically. But they're whites and quite literalty is in Europe.
Pendulum Posted March 17, 2023 Posted March 17, 2023 The way everyone became an expert on Russia in the past year Geographically they're both European and Asian. Culturally, they're European, just like the Caucasus countries. Russian Empire pre-1917 literally modelled itself after the Western European powers. The Russian flag was literally influenced by the Dutch tricolour. Russians themselves can deny this all they want, but it's a basic non-negotiable fact. And what does "culturally European mean"? What is the difference between "culturally European" and "culturally Asian"?
Pendulum Posted March 17, 2023 Posted March 17, 2023 4 hours ago, Before Today said: Not ideologically. But they're whites and quite literalty is in Europe. Then by your point, most Balkan/Southeastern countries in Europe are not "culturally European" Europe is not just UK, France and Germany and one should not base their expectations on what Europe should be based on that.. ENOUGH
Pendulum Posted March 17, 2023 Posted March 17, 2023 On 3/16/2023 at 12:52 AM, Phaunzie said: Hun, Russia takes up majority of the European plate, that is like asking if U.K is European just because it is an island. However unlike the majority of European countries, they never had African slaves. On 3/16/2023 at 4:44 AM, Mr.Link said: Because they couldn’t afford to. At the time of the Africa scramble Russia was poor af trying to keep afloat the existing territories they already had seized in Central Asia and Siberia and the population in there didn’t really have much of a choice either. They were de facto colonies living in misery ruled by rich people in St Petersburg who overworked them to death and drained their natural resources. The Russian Empire still had slaves. Poor white Russian peasants belonged to a specific piece of land where they worked on. They were not free in the sense that they were dependent on the landowner. If the landowner sold the property to somebody else, the peasants became the new owner's property. Not to mention that a lot of non-Russian ethnic groups indigenous to Siberia were also subjugated. So I don't see what one's skin colour has to do with this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serfdom_in_Russia Pushkin's great-grandfather was a Black man who had been brought to Russia as a slave though Peter the Great freed and adopted him, and made him a high-ranking general https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abram_Petrovich_Gannibal
worldwide angel Posted March 17, 2023 Posted March 17, 2023 yes? russia might give "i'm not like other europeans girls" but they're very much european to me
Before Today Posted March 17, 2023 Posted March 17, 2023 3 hours ago, Pendulum said: Then by your point, most Balkan/Southeastern countries in Europe are not "culturally European" Europe is not just UK, France and Germany and one should not base their expectations on what Europe should be based on that.. ENOUGH Croatia/the Balkans are more integrated into "Europe" than Russia is. Please don't put words in my mouth.
Pendulum Posted March 17, 2023 Posted March 17, 2023 48 minutes ago, Before Today said: Croatia/the Balkans are more integrated into "Europe" than Russia is. Please don't put words in my mouth. What is your definition of "ideologically European" then?
A.R.L Posted March 18, 2023 Posted March 18, 2023 (edited) Depends on what part of russia you’re talking about. Edited March 18, 2023 by A.R.L
ZIVERT Posted May 17, 2023 Posted May 17, 2023 “If you don’t think Russia is European, you’re a white supremacist nazi”
WhoWho Posted May 17, 2023 Posted May 17, 2023 Russians do not consider themselves Europeans because: 1)of the 70 years long cultural and economic isolation during the USSR 2) they are not part of the EU 3) prior to the 17th century the European elites considered Russians to be "barbarians" and "not progressive", or at least there was a notion about that in the Russian society that has spread to literature and then slowly sinked deep into the average Russian mindset. That's actually the same for a lot of Eastern European countries, that feel like they are "Europe", but they are not "European enough" i.e. "progressive enough". Russians do not consider themselves European because of their government first and foremost. However, sociologically speaking, Russia, which has 83 internationally recognised subjects, is mostly European in the way it's people live their lifes, spend their money & what views the population shares. With only 8 regions, mostly North Caucasus muslim regions being the exceptions. And in that way, Russia once again is very similar to Europe, which has a minor muslim population, whose views & lifestyles for one reason or another are a big part of nationwide discussions. Surprisingly, if you get past the "Do you like President Putin? (or you will get jailed)" questions, polls show that a majority of Russian population actually shares the libertarian views.
WhoWho Posted May 17, 2023 Posted May 17, 2023 24 minutes ago, ZIVERT said: “If you don’t think Russia is European, you’re a white supremacist nazi” thx for that random bump, what an interesting thread
AvadaKedavra Posted May 17, 2023 Posted May 17, 2023 (edited) As a southamerican, Yes i see the world like this Northamerica Latinoamerica The Caribbean West Europe East Europe (Russia Included) Middle East-North Africa Africa Central Asia South Central Asia East Asia SouthEast Asia Oceania Antartica Atlantis-Lemuria and all of them The Moon The Virtual World ATRL house of dolls Edited May 17, 2023 by AvadaKedavra 1
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