SoldierofLove Posted March 15, 2023 Posted March 15, 2023 2 hours ago, family.guy123 said: GP exists too I’m so out of touch with the GP.
znake Posted March 15, 2023 Posted March 15, 2023 Atrl told me Twice was flopping , i guess they were wrong again like always
pride4jc1222 Posted March 15, 2023 Posted March 15, 2023 Pure sales need to be weighed less. This is 2023, where streaming is the primary consumption of music.
Timber Posted March 15, 2023 Posted March 15, 2023 5 minutes ago, pride4jc1222 said: Pure sales need to be weighed less. This is 2023, where streaming is the primary consumption of music. Everything is weighed based on pure sales, that's never gonna change. If an artist has a set of extremely dedicated fans who manipulate charts in that manner, so be it. The money is spent, likely they'll have a good first week but will struggle hard w/ longevity without streams.
Lose My Breath Posted March 15, 2023 Posted March 15, 2023 37 minutes ago, pride4jc1222 said: Pure sales need to be weighed less. This is 2023, where streaming is the primary consumption of music. Do what? You do realize that a pure sale is the basis for the chart? Everything is structured around the equivalence to a pure sale, including streaming? The end goal is money making here. You don't think that people always purchased more than 1 copy, prior to now?
Squall Posted March 15, 2023 Author Posted March 15, 2023 1 hour ago, pride4jc1222 said: Pure sales need to be weighed less. This is 2023, where streaming is the primary consumption of music. What kind of stupid opinion
pride4jc1222 Posted March 15, 2023 Posted March 15, 2023 8 minutes ago, Squall said: What kind of stupid opinion This isn’t 2011. Pure sales shouldn’t have this much power. The Twice album may not even have any hits on the Hot 100. It should not be ranked higher than the Miley or SZA albums, which are clearly more popular.
Headlock Posted March 15, 2023 Posted March 15, 2023 1 hour ago, pride4jc1222 said: Pure sales need to be weighed less. This is 2023, where streaming is the primary consumption of music. 39 minutes ago, pride4jc1222 said: This isn’t 2011. Pure sales shouldn’t have this much power. The Twice album may not even have any hits on the Hot 100. It should not be ranked higher than the Miley or SZA albums, which are clearly more popular. Streaming equivalents are based on pure sales. Decreasing the “power of pure sales” would… also decrease the power of streaming equivalents
Squall Posted March 15, 2023 Author Posted March 15, 2023 (edited) 42 minutes ago, pride4jc1222 said: This isn’t 2011. Pure sales shouldn’t have this much power. The Twice album may not even have any hits on the Hot 100. It should not be ranked higher than the Miley or SZA albums, which are clearly more popular. Who cares? It's the BB200, there is no point in having a distinct chart for albums if what you care about is... hits and songs It's like saying back in 2011 "but people aren't buying the songs on iTunes so why do we count album sales!!!!!!!!" Edited March 15, 2023 by Squall
Machete Posted March 15, 2023 Posted March 15, 2023 2 hours ago, pride4jc1222 said: Pure sales need to be weighed less. This is 2023, where streaming is the primary consumption of music. I agree with this sentiment but I wouldn't weigh them less. I would find ways to reduce the impact of the tactics groups like TWICE do. Releasing 8 "unique" album versions encouraging fans to get them all. That is NOT music consumption.
Rico Shameless v2 Posted March 15, 2023 Posted March 15, 2023 3 hours ago, Machete said: I agree with this sentiment but I wouldn't weigh them less. I would find ways to reduce the impact of the tactics groups like TWICE do. Releasing 8 "unique" album versions encouraging fans to get them all. That is NOT music consumption. There have been chart tactics since the beginning of Billboard. Miley should’ve dropped a stronger album.
PopFan1996 Posted March 15, 2023 Posted March 15, 2023 4 hours ago, pride4jc1222 said: This isn’t 2011. Pure sales shouldn’t have this much power. The Twice album may not even have any hits on the Hot 100. It should not be ranked higher than the Miley or SZA albums, which are clearly more popular. Are you stu-pid or you're acting stu-pid? Literally the whole BB200 is about the albums that made the most money. You can't weight down pure albums which are bought with real money. If anything, maybe they need to increase the equivalent units from streams.
PopFan1996 Posted March 15, 2023 Posted March 15, 2023 3 hours ago, Machete said: . I would find ways to reduce the impact of the tactics groups like TWICE do. Actually there's already limits to pure album sales. They're limited to 4 copies per person and per credit card. Anything more, doesn't count
pride4jc1222 Posted March 15, 2023 Posted March 15, 2023 24 minutes ago, PopFan1996 said: Actually there's already limits to pure album sales. They're limited to 4 copies per person and per credit card. Anything more, doesn't count The limit should be one. Why would anyone need more than one copy of the same album in 2023?
PopFan1996 Posted March 15, 2023 Posted March 15, 2023 6 minutes ago, pride4jc1222 said: The limit should be one. Why would anyone need more than one copy of the same album in 2023? To gift it to other people around you? Bought is bought nonetheless. I think 4 is a good limit.
family.guy123 Posted March 15, 2023 Posted March 15, 2023 Streaming units should not be added to pure sales. Makes zero sense. There shouldn’t be any “weighting” or “equivalent sales” in the first place. Accept the fact that the industry changes and move the **** on
Axelios Posted March 15, 2023 Posted March 15, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, family.guy123 said: Streaming units should not be added to pure sales. Makes zero sense. There shouldn’t be any “weighting” or “equivalent sales” in the first place. Accept the fact that the industry changes and move the **** on The chart is supposed to reflect the consumption on the album. Weighting has always existed in the Hot100 anyway so it's not like it's compeletely new concept. Edited March 15, 2023 by Axelios
Squall Posted March 15, 2023 Author Posted March 15, 2023 49 minutes ago, family.guy123 said: Streaming units should not be added to pure sales. Makes zero sense. There shouldn’t be any “weighting” or “equivalent sales” in the first place. Accept the fact that the industry changes and move the **** on
PopFan1996 Posted March 16, 2023 Posted March 16, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, family.guy123 said: Streaming units should not be added to pure sales. Makes zero sense. There shouldn’t be any “weighting” or “equivalent sales” in the first place. Accept the fact that the industry changes and move the **** on Now this is also another point of view that is also as extreme. Edited March 16, 2023 by PopFan1996
Isaiah Posted March 16, 2023 Posted March 16, 2023 ESV is certainly underperforming by the standards of how massive flowers is, but it's undeniable that a miley album in 2023 doing 110k is great regardless. Especially when considering she's been a 50k first-week girl for the last 10 years at this point. Also, i think having bad bb200 timing and peaking at "#3" is making this seem worse than it actually is. In a different week, "HDD: Miley #1 - 112k" would be a perfectly-feasible thread title that atrl/twitter would be way less inclined to drag, imo.
Green Posted March 16, 2023 Posted March 16, 2023 3 hours ago, Isaiah said: Also, i think having bad bb200 timing and peaking at "#3" is making this seem worse than it actually is. In a different week, "HDD: Miley #1 - 112k" would be a perfectly-feasible thread title that atrl/twitter would be way less inclined to drag, imo. This. If she had released a week before Morgan a #1 album with over 110k copies would look better than a #3 album
Enrique523 Posted March 16, 2023 Posted March 16, 2023 (edited) 19 hours ago, RandomHooker said: Luv me some Miley, but was Flower a fluke? Considering how badly the album is performing yes it clearly was. When you have a hit that massive you SHOULD have the #1 album and you certainly shouldn't be beaten by a k-pop girl group that are supposedly flopping. Edited March 16, 2023 by Enrique523
pride4jc1222 Posted March 16, 2023 Posted March 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Green said: This. If she had released a week before Morgan a #1 album with over 110k copies would look better than a #3 album Tbh, if Miley had released it a week before Morgan, she probably would have done 140-160k. It would have been closer to Flowers peak. Miley just waited too long to release the album.
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